lorddemolatron
I think im sort of dimensional traveller lol
Will be hating this and next propably 2 days.
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Foxtrot94
Elite Hunter
St. Ferdinando's Church in Bari is beautiful, but they don't allow phones inside. Only managed to take this one pic.
Hard bot to notice a striking resemblance to DMC4's cathedral, isn't it?
Gel
When the going gets tough, the tough get going
You should check Malta's island, it's so, but so similar to Fortuna!
lorddemolatron
I think im sort of dimensional traveller lol
Well somehow that pic also reminded me of this lol, never tough that places like that would exist
Angel
Is not rat, is hamster
I wasn't doing anything deliberately to assert "disgust" or "disapproval"? Sorry you seem to think that. Don't believe I have said anything at all in this discussion about my personal views, so if assumptions have been made then it's not really fair to make me responsible for that.
Foxtrot94
Elite Hunter
Fortuna City is heavily inspired by Italian architecture.
Shadow
the horror was for love
I don't think Ieyasu was trying to say you were or that you were responsible for all of that. I think he was just expressing a dislike for people who do mislabel a transgendered person with the intent of expressing disgust/disapproval/etc. Or...that's how it read to me, at least.
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Despite being tired of all the endless definitive editions and remakes, I'd really love for the Batman Arkham series to get upgrades that make them as realistic as Arkham Knight.
Dark Drakan
Well-known Member
Wondering whether I should spent a couple of pound on a splitter cable to see if my Turtle Beach headset works on my PC then also risk it not working on Windows 10 due to lack of drivers or wait until it launches then buy another headset.
V
Oldschool DMC fan
Let me explain;
Although Jenner isn't an ideal example - I think we all agree on that - if she's said she's female, and if she were any other transgender person, it would be polite - even if you don't like the individual - to refer to them by the gender pronoun or name they've asked for. Misgendering by accident isn't a deal but you're misgendering on purpose, using ' ' around the name Caitlyn, and you're still referring to the person as a he. That's typically the sort of thing people do when they disapprove of a transgender person's identity, as a kind of passive-aggressive attack on them. Imagine it from your perspective if you have introduced yourself as a she, and I started referring to you as a he. If you identify as female, it probably would bother you, right? If I kept doing it over and over after you asked me not to, you'd probably begin to think it was passive aggression. Because he and she are indicators of personhood and status when we use them. For trans people, it is often hurtful to have someone knowingly do this, just as it would be for cis people to be misgendered, or called a "thing" or "it".
I mentioned that it bothered me because that's what it appears like you were doing when referring to Jenner lately, and while I'm not going to defend Jenner personally, for any other trans individual it's often an aggressive act. I don't know your personal views on transgender individuals as you say - but from what you type there, you are showing what appears to be a disregard for the subject's identity. You know she says she is female, and you are calling her male and Bruce. I won't assume your views, but if you were associating with other transgender people and did this, this could/would be derogatory to them.
For the record, I am such a person, and while I'm not personally offended here, I'm hoping that you'll understand what I mean. I'm in Jenner's boat, albeit the other gender, and when I see someone refuse to acknowledge the subject's identity and say things like "well it just sounds like BS to me", it makes me wonder if I'm not in for the same treatment. I get that Jenner isn't exactly the role model we all need in this dept. but it's difficult to interpret how you've referred to Jenner in any way other than with distaste, but if you misgender a trans person in this way, whether you're not meaning to express disapproval of the trans aspect, it comes off that way.
I'm just explaining in case you meet other trans people in future, that it's not something they usually take lightly and it's the most common form of insult doled out to them these days.
I rarely make a deal of how people refer to things, but in this case, we do have to tread carefully if we don't want to be misunderstood. It may appear to you that you haven't expressed disapproval or disgust, but it's something we see all the time, more often than not from people who do.
Although Jenner isn't an ideal example - I think we all agree on that - if she's said she's female, and if she were any other transgender person, it would be polite - even if you don't like the individual - to refer to them by the gender pronoun or name they've asked for. Misgendering by accident isn't a deal but you're misgendering on purpose, using ' ' around the name Caitlyn, and you're still referring to the person as a he. That's typically the sort of thing people do when they disapprove of a transgender person's identity, as a kind of passive-aggressive attack on them. Imagine it from your perspective if you have introduced yourself as a she, and I started referring to you as a he. If you identify as female, it probably would bother you, right? If I kept doing it over and over after you asked me not to, you'd probably begin to think it was passive aggression. Because he and she are indicators of personhood and status when we use them. For trans people, it is often hurtful to have someone knowingly do this, just as it would be for cis people to be misgendered, or called a "thing" or "it".
I mentioned that it bothered me because that's what it appears like you were doing when referring to Jenner lately, and while I'm not going to defend Jenner personally, for any other trans individual it's often an aggressive act. I don't know your personal views on transgender individuals as you say - but from what you type there, you are showing what appears to be a disregard for the subject's identity. You know she says she is female, and you are calling her male and Bruce. I won't assume your views, but if you were associating with other transgender people and did this, this could/would be derogatory to them.
For the record, I am such a person, and while I'm not personally offended here, I'm hoping that you'll understand what I mean. I'm in Jenner's boat, albeit the other gender, and when I see someone refuse to acknowledge the subject's identity and say things like "well it just sounds like BS to me", it makes me wonder if I'm not in for the same treatment. I get that Jenner isn't exactly the role model we all need in this dept. but it's difficult to interpret how you've referred to Jenner in any way other than with distaste, but if you misgender a trans person in this way, whether you're not meaning to express disapproval of the trans aspect, it comes off that way.
I'm just explaining in case you meet other trans people in future, that it's not something they usually take lightly and it's the most common form of insult doled out to them these days.
I rarely make a deal of how people refer to things, but in this case, we do have to tread carefully if we don't want to be misunderstood. It may appear to you that you haven't expressed disapproval or disgust, but it's something we see all the time, more often than not from people who do.
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Angel
Is not rat, is hamster
Just checked and I haven't put quotation marks around the name Caitlyn. If that's a person's name, that's their name. When I referred to Bruce, it was within context of when Caitlyn was known as Bruce and as a male. The interview was done before the change and therefore was appropriate to the part I was talking about. When referencing " he/she", it was nodding to both pre and post Caitlyn. Not going to pretend Bruce never existed.
V
Oldschool DMC fan
June 6, 2015.
Yeah, I doubt Jenner would try to pretend Bruce never existed either. But, it's things like that ^ and your dismissing of LGBT issues on here in posts that accumulate to form these assumptions. One can only assume based on what people say on forums, can they not?
Perhaps we shouldn't assume anything at all about anybody but it's the only way to get a picture of who we're interacting with.
In any case, you seemed to be questioning in your first few posts about it here so I obliged with something I hope of an answer to why people may not express their "real" identities for a long time. I'm not doing it for Jenner, or any righteous indignation, but just for all those others who have to explain this to the people around them every day and hopefully dispel some of the mythos surrounding trans people. If I've incorrectly assumed you were in disapproval then I have been corrected. Just want to point out that it is easy to prompt this assumption based on how someone words and treats the subject matter.
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Angel
Is not rat, is hamster
Aah, yes, I thought you meant from this discussion currently. Fair enough, I see that and my lack of clarification is my fault entirely. Couldn't care less whether she is Caitlyn, Bruce or a killer whale - the quotations were actually meant to highlight my distaste with her news overtaking what I saw to be more important news for the world to be paying attention to. The fact I put the quotation marks at the end of Caitlyn instead of Jenner is a typo, completely my fault, and I apologise for the confusion.
I'm guessing my disagreement with the redefining of marriage has lead you to presume I hate gays, transgenders and everyone else on the planet? Pretty sure I haven't said I hate everyone who isn't heterosexual and conforms utterly to gender stereotypes.
I am always happy to be educated on a subject and I am the first to admit I know little to nothing about what it must be like to be transgender. If I ask questions it's for answers, not an argument. To further reiterate, my initial point was always that surely there would be someone more suitable than Jenner to being the face of transgender issues. Nothing more, nothing less.
CT: holiday tomorrow - three days of sun, sand and screaming kids.
I'm guessing my disagreement with the redefining of marriage has lead you to presume I hate gays, transgenders and everyone else on the planet? Pretty sure I haven't said I hate everyone who isn't heterosexual and conforms utterly to gender stereotypes.
I am always happy to be educated on a subject and I am the first to admit I know little to nothing about what it must be like to be transgender. If I ask questions it's for answers, not an argument. To further reiterate, my initial point was always that surely there would be someone more suitable than Jenner to being the face of transgender issues. Nothing more, nothing less.
CT: holiday tomorrow - three days of sun, sand and screaming kids.
V
Oldschool DMC fan
No problem.
No, not really. You just seemed particularly confounded by that marriage issue it and since our discussion in here on that kind of petered out, I could only guess you had no wish to talk about it further, or even that it interested you that much. I'm certainly not assuming you hate anything, all I have assumed here is a certain tone of your last few posts regards the Jenner thing, and a sense that the details of these LGBT issues seem to irritate you somewhat. But I figured if you had wanted to talk about it more with me, you would have.
Taking some formal issue isn't something I think was warranted, this is just a discussion, right? Now it might be warranted, but before I was just pointing out why Jenner's transformation might seem incongruous, and from the tone and the dismissal of Jenner as a subject several times in general I assumed this was a rather negative string of thought, and that the words that went with it might be equally negative. But, apparently not.
I guess there's no need to refer to mine; I am grateful it hasn't been made anything of.
When you say about assuming, though - I wouldn't assume I was claiming you were Putin's best mate by any stretch, that was an additional related comment in the post regarding how gay people are treated in Russia and I don't suppose anybody here is even close to his level. I wouldn't infer from the things you posted that you hated gay people at all, but I do get a sense of irritation or impatience from them.
I don't believe I've judged you personally? I think I've only judged the tones of the posts, and admitted that I thought they seemed dismissive or passive aggressive at times. Hopefully I've been careful enough to use language like "seemed" and "appears" to show that it's what I'm getting from it (and the potential fallibility of my perception) and not necessarily fact.
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Angel
Is not rat, is hamster
Everything confounds me. It's not hard :wink:
Celebrities annoy and irritate me - not their personal genders, sexuality or preferred pets. The whole Jenner thing has annoyed me because it isn't news to me. At least not when it overshadows something important like Syria or Isis. Now if Caitlyn were to have attempted suicide or similar because of her inner struggle? That would have been news and would have highlighted the struggles of transgenders better. But she's straight on the cover of vanity fair and it just... I don't know. Not very representative? I don't know.
V
Oldschool DMC fan
I can agree there, it isn't news what one person decides to do with their body or identity, and many of us didn't want it to be news either... not in this way. As far as celebrities go I don't pay attention to them either but trans people got dragged into a spotlight or a debate arena along with this whole thing, for better or worse. As a representative, Jenner isn't the best there could be... there's too much divided opinion there, celebrities are not respected in the way the way serious issues about rights ought to be. What a mess it is.
Rebel Dynasty
Creator of Microcosms
Revisions are actually picking up speed, now. It's about time; maybe I can get these suckers done in 6 months or less after all...
...so I can do the third draft immediately after. :'(
...so I can do the third draft immediately after. :'(
Shadow
the horror was for love
I wish I was better at drawing. I have this odd urge to see Scarecrow and Leech meet; something tells me they'd be friends and they even kinda look similar. Well...Leech and some of Scarecrow's classic designs look similar, anyway. Not the modern mask + business suit thing they think looks good for some inane reason.
+ I've been saving that chapter for months. I should really post it. :S
++ "Are you going to do anything tod-" No. "Why--" No. "But--" No. No. I'm not. I still feel sick. Unless you're bringing me some form of chocolate, then bugger off. I'm going to sit here and do nothing today. :grumpy:
+ I've been saving that chapter for months. I should really post it. :S
++ "Are you going to do anything tod-" No. "Why--" No. "But--" No. No. I'm not. I still feel sick. Unless you're bringing me some form of chocolate, then bugger off. I'm going to sit here and do nothing today. :grumpy: