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Whatever my personal views regarding the issue of transgenderism, Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner should really stop being promoted as the face of it all.

A famous, super rich and successful man becomes the same thing as a female and suddenly is a hero for it? Nah, don't buy it.

The face of this should be someone regular who has struggled to accept who they are and be accepted. Someone who has faced huge amounts of adveristy for their choices, lifestyle and identity. Someone who knows that if they should step forward and identify as transgender, life as they know it could fall apart - or even be at risk.

That's a hero. That's courage. That's being true to who you are despite knowing the potential fallout.

Jenner and the Kardashians? Pfft - do me a favour...
 
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@Angel Yup, pretty much what I've been saying, too. I can't even say I have anything against Jenner per se. Celebrity status aside, the fact that he's connected to the Kardashians (of all people...ugh) means that cases of transgenderism are more likely to be treated as a joke than anything. So yeah, an actual person would be more appropriate as the face of it; someone who actually has something to really lose from this, who struggles with it day-to-day.

Hell, even if this was happening to a celeb I liked/knew well, I'd say the same.
 
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Angel said:
The face of this should be someone regular who has struggled to accept who they are and be accepted. Someone who has faced huge amounts of adveristy for their choices, lifestyle and identity. Someone who knows that if they should step forward and identify as transgender, life as they know it could fall apart - or even be at risk.
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But the moment they become the face, they'll become the rich and successful person you hate for it simply because of the media exposure.
 
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But the moment they become the face, they'll become the rich and successful person you hate for it simply because of the media exposure.
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Not necessarily - I suppose it can depend on the typeof exposure and whether the person in question retains control of themselves as a potential brand. Even becoming a keynote speaker or a patron of a charity/group doesn't mean fame, fortune and becoming a celebrity.

I don't hate rich and successful people. I just don't think they are necessarily the face of average Joe transgender/gay/bi/disabled etc.
 
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Trust me, not many transgender people are happy with Jenner being the one to "raise the issue" either. Many are wondering if it will hurt more than help
 
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Ieyasu said:
Trust me, not many transgender people are happy with Jenner being the one to "raise the issue" either. Many are wondering if it will hurt more than help
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I read an article that dated back to when Jenner's daughters were 14 and 16 and he spoke about how it was dyslexia that made him special and encouraged him to turn to sports and eventually become an Olympian. I get that with being in the spotlight etc he probably couldn't just blurt out his preference for skirts, but going from being decades in the public eye as a manly man enjoying manly things as a man to suddenly becoming a woman and saying how he/she identifies with the awful struggle other transgenders go through...I don't know. Just seems hard to buy it, in that sense.

But then I'm not transgender so I couldn't possibly understand what it is like - I guess I just feel perhaps there could have been a better candidate out there?
 
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As if he Doctor DoLittle'd a wild crow. I've wanted to do that since forever. :'( Can I haz a wild bird perch on my arm and chill with me all day?
 
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I want a new avatar. One that will preferably make people uncomfortable without being offensive. :3
 
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Angel said:
I read an article that dated back to when Jenner's daughters were 14 and 16 and he spoke about how it was dyslexia that made him special and encouraged him to turn to sports and eventually become an Olympian. I get that with being in the spotlight etc he probably couldn't just blurt out his preference for skirts, but going from being decades in the public eye as a manly man enjoying manly things as a man to suddenly becoming a woman and saying how he/she identifies with the awful struggle other transgenders go through...I don't know. Just seems hard to buy it, in that sense.

But then I'm not transgender so I couldn't possibly understand what it is like - I guess I just feel perhaps there could have been a better candidate out there?
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"Compensation behavior" is extremely common in trans people, as a coping mechanism. And times have changed. I doubt it would have been even remotely accepted if she'd outed herself this way "back then".

Many trans people take a long time to accept their brains and bodies are misaligned. And by many, I mean most. Few know for sure extremely "early on" and exhibit it because society shoves people into gender roles and expects they are correct from the second they're born; the person often doubts themselves and their feelings thinking it's a phase or some other issue because of the overwhelming weight of outside "evidence" against their feelings, blames themselves, overcompensates by trying to be over-masculine or feminine in the hopes of banishing it... and it almost never works because actual transgenderism isn't a choice. Part of the reason the problem goes on so long is that nobody talks about it (until recently) and then transgender people get called deceivers or liars when they finally do speak about what they've had to live with, so they obviously aren't that enthusiastic speaking about it, particularly if there's personal risk and retribution likely. "Damned if you do and damned if you don't."

Despite having no opinion on Jenner I do get tired of people deliberately misgendering as a means of asserting their disapproval or disgust, like right there ^ when it costs them nothing to simply change the pronoun.

Think about it like this: it can be one hell of a risk, to your reputation, possibly even your life - to admit something like this in this day and age. Transgender people still get murdered all the time in hate crimes. Do you think it's likely a guy who wasn't actually transgender would put himself up for all this potential humiliation? Just for some publicity? I mean there's a buck for a news story and there's a buck for a news story that could ruin you. And she's already got money.

Someone else would have been better but people pay attention to who they pay attention to I suppose. I have no idea why it's her and the Kardashians, but either way it seems to have prompted debate on the matter all over. It's been a wonderful indicator of who your real friends are on social media if you're transgender...
 
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