Well that was insulting.

[TWOxACROSS]

Whole iconic debate is stupid and mostly related to people who, for some reason just hate when somebody mentions that they like original Dante.
Why it's stupid? Because there is some characters who was completely based upon other characters and yet they are still iconic.

The inanity of the idea, though, is that people who denounce DmC consistently use the "it ripped off X" as grounds for criticism.

I'm not aiming this at you mind you, I'm just commenting on something broader based on what you mentioned.

Kamiya said long ago that he took inspiration from Space Adventure Cobra for Dante (or at the time Tony Redgrave)'s design and personality, because Cobra was iconic and something he loved. He didn't quite rip off Vash the Stampede, nor InuYasha - although InuYasha and DMC3 have striking similarities with their brothers' quarrel, but it's not like that's new. If you look at the concept art for DMC1, just before they made his jacket into a trenchcoat, he looked almost exactly like he jumped outta Space Adventure Cobra - the only thing missing was a cigar.

Dante's design looking "ripped off" from other anime heroes is simply because, honestly, Japan loves to f#cking copy itself and milk a concept to death (seriously, they find what's profitable and do that until it isn't, and oftentimes the quality goes down drastically because they bank solely on concept, and not the content) - case in point, most shonen heroes will have the same personality, and wear a lot of red, because red is a heroic color symbolizing power and confidence. Red is the leader's color.

What bugs me is "Kamiya took inspiration from Space Adventure Cobra" is fine, but "Tameem took inspiration from They Live" is not. It's a completely retarded double-standard.

For example Nero is basically looks like younger version of Dante, yet he is not iconic, because he lacks same recognition grade as Dante.

The lack of recognition is mostly due to Nero only being in one game, whereas Dante was the one that carried the franchise as far as it did. Now I'm wondering if Dante hadn't been in DMC4 if Nero actually would have been more recognizable...

 

[Innsmouth]

The inanity of the idea, though, is that people who denounce DmC consistently use the "it ripped off X" as grounds for criticism.
I'm not aiming this at you mind you, I'm just commenting on something broader based on what you mentioned.
What bugs me is "Kamiya took inspiration from Space Adventure Cobra" is fine, but "Tameem took inspiration from They Live" is not. It's a completely retarded double-standard.

It's one and the same, with only difference being between making new IP and remaking already established IP. But in the end, I think there is no difference on which material source something based, and whole complaints about rip-off in both cases are stupid. I already said, Snake was completely based on several film figures, yet, he is one of the most established characters in whole industry, being second only to such as Mario and Zelda.

The lack of recognition is mostly due to Nero only being in one game, whereas Dante was the one that carried the franchise as far as it did. Now I'm wondering if Dante hadn't been in DMC4 if Nero actually would have been more recognizable...

I don't think so. Nero is to close in his appearance to Dante, up to the point some people who don't know franchise think that he is Dante. Nero needs more distinguished design to stand completely separate from Dante...Maybe black hair? xD

 

[TWOxACROSS]

more distinguished design to stand completely separate from Dante...Maybe black hair? xD

 

[The Final Offer]

It's one and the same, with only difference being between making new IP and remaking already established IP. But in the end, I think there is no difference on which material source something based, and whole complaints about rip-off in both cases are stupid. I already said, Snake was completely based on several film figures, yet, he is one of the most established characters in whole industry, being second only to such as Mario and Zelda.




I don't think so. Nero is to close in his appearance to Dante, up to the point some people who don't know franchise think that he is Dante. Nero needs more distinguished design to stand completely separate from Dante...Maybe black hair? xD

Hey guys....Nero has white hair, a different jacket, a sword, a glowing hand, and a gun. HE LOOKS JUST LIKE DANTE. UGH Run out of ideas Capcom!?

Hey guys Vergil has white hair, a different jacket, a sword. He is Dante's twin! SO COOL!

Vergil is the father of Nero....

Sparda is the father of Dante and Vergil...

Oh my gawd it's like Capcom was trying to tell us that white haired, jacket wearing, sword touting, pale skin people are apart of Sparda's lineage.

WOW!

"So...word through the demon vine is that we look the same."
"What? No way, I have a different style than you. I even have a glowing demon arm."
"Well, I bet we don't have on the same underwear."
"Boxers."
"Ha you see these chaps? Assless."
"Ugh!"
"It's not as bad as going commando like that alternate reality version of me."
"No...it isn't.."
"See...I to-"
"It's worse!"
"............"
"........"
"Your dad's a puppet."
"What!?"​

 

[MephistoCarnival]

I don't think so. Nero is too close in his appearance to Dante, up to the point some people who don't know franchise think that he is Dante. Nero needs more distinguished design to stand completely separate from Dante...Maybe black hair? xD

I agree! Black hair would have suited him. Personally,I liked his design in the artbook.More specifically,this one:

The coat was amazing.And more classy-looking compared to Dante's which is more accesorized and stylish. And personality-wise,in these drawings he looked more cool and calm whereas in the game he is angry and he had those overrated lines which I also disliked at Dante in DMC3. (the difference between them being the angst of Nero.)
I would have liked him to be portrayed this way in the game . :\

 

[Innsmouth]

Hey guys....Nero has white hair, a different jacket, a sword, a glowing hand, and a gun. HE LOOKS JUST LIKE DANTE. UGH Run out of ideas Capcom!?

Hey guys Vergil has white hair, a different jacket, a sword. He is Dante's twin! SO COOL!

Vergil is the father of Nero....

Sparda is the father of Dante and Vergil...

Oh my gawd it's like Capcom was trying to tell us that white haired, jacket wearing, sword touting, pale skin people are apart of Sparda's lineage.

WOW!

"So...word through the demon vine is that we look the same."
"What? No way, I have a different style than you. I even have a glowing demon arm."
"Well, I bet we don't have on the same underwear."
"Boxers."
"Ha you see these chaps? Assless."
"Ugh!"
"It's not as bad as going commando like that alternate reality version of me."
"No...it isn't.."
"See...I to-"
"It's worse!"
"............"
"........"
"Your dad's a puppet."
"What!?"​

Does capes are transferred via genes too? I think I learned about biology something new today xD

 

[Rebel Dynasty]

It's like saying Hitsugaya's look was ripped off from Vergil or something. It's a useless opinion.

Funny you should say that, lol. When I first started watching Bleach (and when Hitsugaya came into it) I referred to him as "Little Vergil" until I learned his name.

I think you're right, in that regard--no matter where you look, you're going to find those similarities, and while some may have been blatant rip-offs, I'm certain many were not--especially since I've been coming across similarities between my own characters/situations and that of some of my fandoms/stuff I'm just getting into. It's a creator's nightmare. D:

Anyways....carry on, everyone.

 

[The Final Offer]

Does capes are transferred via genes too? I think I learned about biology something new today xD

See. You missed the point. Nero is apart of Sparda's lineage. Those guys have white hair and seem to always have a sword, a jacket, a gun, and just plain ol' fashion sense.

Did you not notice that?

 

[Innsmouth]

See. You missed the point. Nero is apart of Sparda's lineage. Those guys have white hair and seem to always have a sword, a jacket, a gun, and just plain ol' fashion sense.

Did you not notice that?

imho that doesn't mean they couldn't replace his Dante-like look with something different. I don't mind Nero, I like him, but being more distinguished would actually be good for his character.

 

[The Final Offer]

imho that doesn't mean they couldn't replace his Dante-like look with something different. I don't mind Nero, I like him, but being more distinguished would actually be good for his character.

So...out of everyone in the Sparda lineage...Nero somehow didn't acquire the family dominant traits? You don't even know what Nero's mother looks like.

 

[Innsmouth]

So...out of everyone in the Sparda lineage...Nero somehow didn't acquire the family dominant traits? You don't even know what Nero's mother looks like.

He can have white hair, but clothes aren't dominant trait And I think if they make DMC5 with Nero he shouldn't look just like younger version of Dante, but instead get more individuality. It will help him and stop complains about him being boring clone of Dante.

 

[The Final Offer]

He can have white hair, but clothes aren't dominant trait And I think if they make DMC5 with Nero he shouldn't look just like younger version of Dante, but instead get more individuality. It will help him and stop complains about him being boring clone of Dante.

I knew you'd say something like this.

"Nero needs more distinguished design to stand completely separate from Dante...Maybe black hair?"

After saying some bull**** like this.

Anyways. Flip flop.

Individuality of Nero.
Carries a Revolver. (1 Gun)
Has demonic arm. (Different fighting style)
Uses Red Queen. (Sword characterization)
Wears rolled up sleeves on his symbolized coat. (What does it mean?)
Takes orders. (No trust issues here)
Is actually pursuing a relationship.
Doesn't flaunt his demonic powers.
Is easily frustrated.
Bare handed.
Wears watch.
Has his own special way of dressing in more than one color.
Knows the tale of Sparda, quite possibly believes he is related (Who knows)
Is Vergil's son/Dante's nephew.

Did you not catch those?

As I am going through this, I can see why people want to know more about Nero. Can you? I'll answer that for you. It's because...he's actually INTERESTING.

 

[Innsmouth]

I knew you'd say something like this.

"Nero needs more distinguished design to stand completely separate from Dante...Maybe black hair?"

After saying some bull**** like this.

You do know that was actually a joke?....xD....I think you has some serious issues

 

[The Final Offer]

You do know that was actually a joke?....xD....I think you has some serious issues

So...why when this happened...

"I agree! Black hair would have suited him. " -MephistoCarnival

You didn't reassure her that you, Innsmouth, are just kidding about the hair. Instead you go on like that's not why you liked her post. Is it because, finally, someone agrees with you even though you didn't mean for them to. So you'll let it ride out and maybe others will assume it's not a joke and agree too.

Ya know something..... arguing over what's "iconic" and then arguing over "distinguishable" are in that category of stupid you mentioned earlier.

Why was it stupid?

"Because there is some characters who was completely based upon other characters and yet they are still iconic." -Innsmouth

Flip flop. Flip flop.

 

[Innsmouth]

So...why when this happened...

"I agree! Black hair would have suited him. "

You didn't reassure her that you, Innsmouth, are just kidding about the hair. Instead you go on like that's not why you liked her post. Is it because, finally, someone agrees with you even though you didn't mean for them to. So you'll let it ride out and maybe others will assume it's not a joke and agree too.

Ya know something...you said arguing over what's "iconic" and then arguing over "distinguishable" are in that category of stupid you mentioned earlier.

Why was it stupid?

"Because there is some characters who was completely based upon other characters and yet they are still iconic." -Innsmouth

Maybe because I was to busy responding to your pointless arguing? Like I said, I can't help but think that you seriously suffer from sort of paranoia about how everyone tries to make fun of DmC or something (wait it wasn't even about DmC). So you can of course blow up this drama further, but it won't add anything, besides even more absolutely pointless arguing.
As for like, yes I actually liked MephistoCarnival opinion about his attitude. Though sadly I can't see her picture for some reason :O
And finally It's you who started this argument...for whatever personal issue you had, so don't even start about "arguing over distinguishable".

 

[The Final Offer]

Maybe because I was to busy responding to your pointless arguing? Like I said, I can't help but think that you seriously suffer from sort of paranoia about how everyone tries to make fun of DmC or something (wait it wasn't even about DmC). So you can of course blow up this drama further, but it won't add anything, besides even more absolutely pointless arguing.
As for like, yes I actually liked MephistoCarnival opinion about his attitude. Though sadly I can't see her picture for some reason :O
And finally It's you who started this argument...for whatever personal issue you had, so don't even start about "arguing over distinguishable".

Damnit!

I didn't say kneel before Zod yet! Why are you doing it so early!?

This wouldn't have happened if I trained with Batman. Stupid Aquaman forcing me into marine biology.

 

[Innsmouth]

Damnit!

I didn't say kneel before Zod yet! Why are you doing it so early!?

This wouldn't have happened if I trained with Batman. Stupid Aquaman forcing me into marine biology.

You really love to argue, aren't you?

 

[The Final Offer]

You really love to argue, aren't you?

I don't consider this an argument. I consider this exactly what everyone else considers this; a joke.

Oh and *don't

 

[TyrantWayne9999]

Eh, these guys rip on everything, really. It's not about objectively reviewing or commenting on the game, it's about tearing it apart in a Mystery Science Theater 3000 kind of way

"He tried to kill me with a forklift."

 

[Lord Nero]

Um. I don't think you quite understand that I understand what you aren't comprehending. If you place the devil hunter's clothes on Leon, you'd know instantly who's clothes he's wearing. The other way around isn't the same. If Dante didn't have his white hair and it were brown in that picture, you wouldn't know it was him. So again, I say. iconic; Red coat, sword, and guns.

I'm certain alot of people thought Dante was on the right because what caught your eyes was that damn red coat and that sword hilt not the white hair.

I'm just replying to expose your argument for the nonsense it is. True, Dante isn't complete if he doesn't wear his iconic clothing, like you said. BUT that doesn't mean only his guns and coat are iconic. The fact is that Dante and his clothing and weapons go together: they are part of the same entity. If you were to put Dante's clothes on Leon, he wouldn't quite be Leon anymore, because Dante's clothes don't reflect who Leon is.
Another reason why I think that argument is ridiculous is because not only Dante's apparel and weapons are iconic - you're completely ignoring Dante's personality too. You're ignoring both these characters' personalities. If somebody threw Dante's clothes into space and you looked at them through a scope, you wouldn't go ''yep, that's Dante alright!'' No, you'd go ''Why are Dante's clothes floating around there?'' His clothes are only one part of his identity and image. Your entire argument, as with Nero one or two posts later, is that Dante looks like Leon, therefore he is essentially the same as him. How shallow is that?

''If Dante didn't have his white hair and it were brown, you wouldn't know it was him''... well sure but that's the case with any picture you manipulate, because pictures don't show personality; they only show somebody's state of mind. Those pictures only show a 2D view of Dante and Leon's appearance.

So, ''If Dante didn't have his white hair and it were brown'', he would still be Dante, only with brown hair. And yeah, the hair color does help in making him iconic. Saying ''if he had brown hair''... if? IF? Well he doesn't. He's got white hair. The argument started with whether he was iconic in general, not whether he was iconic in terms of 'body and face'.