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Innsmouth said:
DmC isn't product of Capcom. It was made to cater to different audience and DmC respects DMC franchise as much as Lords of Shadows do it with Castlevania (AKA it doesn't care)
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Wow. Just...wow. The fact that you think Lords of Shadow doesn't respect the original Castlevania series is almost solid proof that you either know nothing or haven't played a single one of the LoS game. I'm willing to buy the claim that DmC didn't pay much in the way of homage to the original series (mostly because Capcom kept a tight leash on just how much they could incorporate from DMC, outside of basic mythos and origin stories)...but Lords of Shadow? Is that why it pays verbal homage to lines from Symphony of the Night, or has tiny, subtle references to Castlevania music in its orchestrated scores?

Please...for the sake of other Castlevania fans on this forum, keep your raging ignorance and blind hatred reserved to DMC. You sound far less misinformed when you do (key word here being "less").
 
WolfOD64 said:
Wow. Just...wow. The fact that you think Lords of Shadow doesn't respect the original Castlevania series is almost solid proof that you either know nothing or haven't played a single one of the LoS game. I'm willing to buy the claim that DmC didn't pay much in the way of homage to the original series (mostly because Capcom kept a tight leash on just how much they could incorporate from DMC, outside of basic mythos and origin stories)...but Lords of Shadow? Is that why it pays verbal homage to lines from Symphony of the Night, or has tiny, subtle references to Castlevania music in its orchestrated scores?

Please...for the sake of other Castlevania fans on this forum, keep your raging ignorance and blind hatred reserved to DMC. You sound far less misinformed when you do (key word here being "less").
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Well again irony is that i actually belong to small group of people that like both LoSs (or 3 if you count MoF to it), so maybe you should stop seeing ghosts in every shadow. But first LoS has very little to do with original Castlevania. It doesn't build upon Cv neither it shares much connection except few names and characters. It has small nods to original one, but it's really it's own thing. They specifically stated that LoS would be completely separated and it's fine by me. You can't say Bayonetta connected or builds upon RE4, Okami or VJ by making small reference in it. Now DmC supposed to be next entry in franchise, unlike LoS that was small spin-off reboot that ended with 3 games. Which makes them completely different cases for me.
 
Innsmouth said:
Irony on everything you wrote is that DMC was western-oriented form a get go. It wasn't inserted in usual manga setting. And DmC just slapps name on top of characters without much connection to original one. And for final word, make your mind. You claim how DmC is bad, than you claim how DMC is bad, than you claim you hate whole franchise, now you claim it's shame people didn't appreciated DmC...you know, it's hard to tell if you just attempt trolling or you just don't know exactly what you think about whole thing.
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Again, sh!t flinging at its finest.

I may not like both series, but that doesn't mean I don't see what they do. DMC is basically Japan's parody of the west. DmC is the same. That's all. DmC just did what DMC did but their own version of Western parody. Both versions are basically the same damn thing but DmC just does it closer. This fandom has been arguing about how DmC is so different when really they're one in the same. It's laughable really.
 
Bazilican said:
Again, sh!t flinging at its finest.

I may not like both series, but that doesn't mean I don't see what they do. DMC is basically Japan's parody of the west. DmC is the same. That's all. DmC just did what DMC did but their own version of Western parody. Both versions are basically the same damn thing but DmC just does it closer. This fandom has been arguing about how DmC is so different when really they're one in the same. It's laughable really.
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You know, for somebody who don't even give a damn about franchise in general you probably can't tell a difference. People discuss how Zelda innovated over years, but for me it's more or less same just because it's not my cup of tea. It's pretty obvious that your overall hate toward franchise makes you overlook anything that happened inside of it. Neither of them parody in full sense of the word. IT's just you don't care enough to make a difference
 
Innsmouth said:
Well again irony is that i actually belong to small group of people that like both LoSs (or 3 if you count MoF to it), so maybe you should stop seeing ghosts in every shadow.But first LoS has very little to do with original Castlevania. It doesn't build upon Cv neither it shares much connection except few names and characters. It has small nods to original one, but it's really it's own thing. They specifically stated that LoS would be completely separated and it's fine by me.
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You didn't compare Castlevania and Lords of Shadow by the connections one has to another...you specifcally said:
Innsmouth said:
DmC respects DMC franchise as much as Lords of Shadows do it with Castlevania (AKA it doesn't care)
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In essence, you were seemingly implying that Lords of Shadow had no respect whatsoever for its original sources---i.e., it "doesn't care." Regardless of whether or not you worded it that way intentionally or not, you made that implication. Don't make a statement and then throw up your hands in disbelief when it comes out the wrong way.

Innsmouth said:
Now DmC supposed to be next entry in franchise, unlike LoS that was small spin-off reboot that ended with 3 games.
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This is a common misconception that I really don't understand. Where did, and by whose mouth did ANYONE say that DmC was replacing the old series?

It's hilarious that Lords of Shadow is lingering in the corner of this conversation, since it was a string of games made with the EXACT same thought process and intentions and DmC---the original series of games wasn't evolving, so it took a short detour into another style. The only difference is that Konami has no idea what to do with the franchise with the recent departure of Igarashi, as well as Lords of Shadow 2 being a commercial and critical letdown.
 
WolfOD64 said:
In essence, you were seemingly implying that Lords of Shadow had no respect whatsoever for its original sources---i.e., it "doesn't care." Regardless of whether or not you worded it that way intentionally or not, you made that implication. Don't make a statement and then throw up your hands in disbelief when it comes out the wrong way.
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Doesn't care =/= disrespects. So don't put words in my mouth. Doesn't care only means it's doing it's own thing, but it doesn't means it necessary builds upon or has anything to do with original

WolfOD64 said:
This is a common misconception that I really don't understand. Where did, and by whose mouth did ANYONE say that DmC was replacing the old series?
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Reboots are usually exist for this purpose until stated otherwise like SH: SM or LoS.
WolfOD64 said:
It's hilarious that Lords of Shadow is lingering in the corner of this conversation, since it was a string of games made with the EXACT same thought process and intentions and DmC---the original series of games wasn't evolving, so it took a short detour into another style. The only difference is that Konami has no idea what to do with the franchise with the recent departure of Igarashi, as well as Lords of Shadow 2 being a commercial and critical letdown.
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It was different story all together. It was never IN YO FACE style of DmC and they stated it's only short-lived spin off very early on the road. Konami suffers from lack of creative directors as much as Capcom does except Konami has Kojima, who has guts to do his own thing, while Capcom has only Itsuno and Ono and neither are really in charge of what they are doing. That's why I'm completely fine with Shattered Memories and LoS but consider DmC experimental cash-in riding on the name.
 
Okay, seriously. Some of you really need to get over yourselves. It's a video game. Stop being so rude to each other and throwing insults around. And please, for the love of God, stop getting around the swear filter. I'm tired of having to say this. Once maaaaaybe twice in a thread is okay, but some of you are doing it multiple times in a post. It's against forum rules. Stop it.

I'm giving this thread one more chance, but if y'all don't calm down I'm locking it and giving out warnings.

EDIT: Please refer to this thread:

http://devilmaycry.org/threads/swear-filter-reminder-read-this.19711/

Thank you.
 
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Innsmouth said:
You know, for somebody who don't even give a damn about franchise in general you probably can't tell a difference. People discuss how Zelda innovated over years, but for me it's more or less same just because it's not my cup of tea. It's pretty obvious that your overall hate toward franchise makes you overlook anything that happened inside of it. Neither of them parody in full sense of the word. IT's just you don't care enough to make a difference
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Dude please. I've played the games, I've seen their quality, and it's obvious DmC does hold SOME respect for its originator. Is that wig joke still sour for you?
At least I can see respect of two versions of a series. Unlike you with DMC/DmC and Castlvania /LOS
 
Bazilican said:
Dude please. I've played the games, I've seen their quality, and it's obvious DmC does hold SOME respect for its originator. Is that wig joke still sour for you?
At least I can see respect of two versions of a series. Unlike you with DMC/DmC and Castlvania /LOS
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Playing them really won't means much. I played whole AC franchise. Yet I still consider it's repetitive clone franchise with only strong point for open world. Well obviously you saw their quality by saying them both being complete crap ;) Go ahead, prove there is any respect in there between those 2 games, instead of making empty remarks. In both cases, both LoS and DmC are their own thing. They not really care how games before them developed. They are completely separate entities.
 
DmC is a completely separate entity? Right, because it doesn't carry character names, narrative elements, and gameplay philosophies from the originals. Seriously dude, just...stop.
 
TWOxACROSS said:
DmC is a completely separate entity? Right, because it doesn't carry character names, narrative elements, and gameplay philosophies from the originals. Seriously dude, just...stop.
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narrative elements? you gotta be joking. No this have to be a joke. There is not a single similarity between narratives in both games. Gameplay philosophies? Stylish meter? Even Lolipop Chainsaw had one. Character names? Yes, because slapping names on top of your own character shows lot of respect.
 
Innsmouth said:
narrative elements? you gotta be joking. No this have to be a joke. There is not a single similarity between narratives in both games.
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You're absolutely right! After all, DmC doesn't feature ! It only features a cocky protagonist who lost his mother to a demon named Mundus, but then swears to take vengeance in her name, while hunting the entire demon race and quarreling his darker, demonic brother...but instead, has black hair!

How dare Capcom let the game stray so far from the premise of the original series! You wouldn't even know they were from the same franchise!
 
TWOxACROSS said:
Or a powerful demon who denies his race and betrays a demon king by falling in love and having twins.

Seriously...stooooooooooooooop.
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You mean sitcom dad who runs away over a broad only than to run away and left her gutted only than to turn into bondage slave to lesser demons. YEP
 
WolfOD64 said:
You're absolutely right! After all, DmC doesn't feature ! It only features a cocky protagonist who lost his mother to a demon named Mundus, but then swears to take vengeance in her name, while hunting the entire demon race and quarreling his darker, demonic brother...but instead, has black hair!
I mean because there was none
How dare Capcom let the game stray so far from the premise of the original series! You wouldn't even know they were from the same franchise!
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Actually nope. Brothers hunting demons with sword and guns...because it was never happened in any other franchise. *COUGH* Darksiders. Or should we just rename Bayo and Jeanne into fem. versions of Dante and Vergil...that would make Bayo pure DMC game too. Slapping names on top is easy. Making game feel like part of franchise not so much. And in this matter LoS did better than DmC, because Castlevania franchise had enough different games in it, like LoI, CoD or Cv64.
 
my head hurts from all this pointless rambling and agruments. I propose a different question, how would Classic Dante and DmC Dante interract if they're sharing a dorm or operating a business (Devil May Cry shop)?
 
Elijah Guerrero said:
my head hurts from all this pointless rambling and agruments. I propose a different question, how would Classic Dante and DmC Dante interract if they're sharing a dorm or operating a business (Devil May Cry shop)?
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I asume that would be case of 2 spiders in one bottle. Both are to much of a loners and egocentric to work together in a long term relationships.
 
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