Was anyone else disappointed with how the story went for DMC5?

[Gilver18]

In regards to how it affects past DMC games and the future of the series. When I was playing I went from pretty stocked to feeling pretty unsatisfied by the end with how overly fanservice the game was and how it played on what a lot of fans wanted a little to hard. I know a lot of people love the game and its overall definitely worth the 10yr wait for a lot of us fans, but idk something about it just didn't gel like the other games do for me.

Personally, yes i was. When Capcom said that it was going to be the end of the son's of sparda story, I was immediately thinking, OK so I imagine Mundus or someone big is going to be here, and hes going to be tougher and more dangerous than anything we have ever seen in dmc, and Vergil and Dante are going to go out in one big sacrifice to save the world and Nero, etc. I mean I don't hate dmc5's story, I admit i was very annoyed with how the ending went for the longest time. But i need to just man up and be thankful we got a dmc5 story to even critique, because it was a huge miracle we even got it.

 

[meg5493]

I must read again the files, but I Reade them all and didn't remberer that Eva loved vergil less, it was just a vergil assumption...

When I was a kid I also thinked my brother was more loved than me but it wasn't the case, my parent love me in the same manner, it was just my assumption because I had a completely different personality and I tended to be more cold and alone, i also sometime went away from house and play whit friend whitout my parent knowing, but if my mother didnt know where I was it wasn't because she dosent loved me or didn't pay attention to me, but because it was simply my personality, I go away form house and play whitout them knowing when they Realize I was already out

What I'm saying is that Eva spent more time with Dante over Vergil which in turn caused him to believe she loved him more. I know why Capcom brought back the mother subplot but it was tied up and finished and if they wanted to add an emotional aspect to the story they should have actually stuck with it.

 

[meg5493]

Personally, yes i was. When Capcom said that it was going to be the end of the son's of sparda story, I was immediately thinking, OK so I imagine Mundus or someone big is going to be here, and hes going to be tougher and more dangerous than anything we have ever seen in dmc, and Vergil and Dante are going to go out in one big sacrifice to save the world and Nero, etc. I mean I don't hate dmc5's story, I admit i was very annoyed with how the ending went for the longest time. But i need to just man up and be thankful we got a dmc5 story to even critique, because it was a huge miracle we even got it.

I don't believe we should force ourselves to change our opinions just to be grateful for something. I think we would have eventually gotten another DMC game since it was probably in the works for longer than 2015, but I'm glad you enjoy it and there are plenty of moments in 5 that are pretty cool.

 

[BrawlMan]

Eva never played favorites with hers sons. It's pretty clear in the story and narrative that it was Vergil's own foolish beliefs and delusions. If she did favor Dante, should would have not bothered looking for Vergil nor calling for him. And as far mothers in fiction go, Eva ain't the worst (she did what she was supposed to do). She is nowhere near close to the failure of motherhood that is Freya, Toph Beifong & Suyin Beifong. With Toph being the actual idiot who played favorites with her daughters. Suyin... see Kuvira. What's worse is those two in particular are supposed to be seen as likeable or sympathetic. When they are neither. Freya is more sympathetic than either of those two by comparison. Don't know where you getting that interpitation from. Before you start, I know you read the documents, but keep in mind I find your interpretation wrong. That is all I have to say on this one.

 

[meg5493]

Eva never played favorites with hers sons. It's pretty clear in the story and narrative that it was own foolish beliefs and delusions. If she did favor Dante, should would have not bothered looking for Vergil nor calling for him. And as far mothers in fiction go, Eva ain't the worst (she did what she was supposed to do). She is nowhere near close to the failure of motherhood that is Freya, Toph Beifong & Suyin Beifong. With Toph being the actually idiot who played favorites with her daughters. Suyin... see Kuvira. What's worse is those two in particular are supposed to be seen as likeable or sympathetic. When they are neither. Freya is more sympathetic than either of those two by comparison. Don't know where you getting that interpitation from. Before you start, I know you read the documents, but keep in mind I find your interpretation wrong. That is all I have to say on this one.

Maybe I misworded this which is a my b on my part but its very clear that V thought Eva favored Dante over him, while Dante knew that wasn't the case seeing how he was there when Eva tried to get Vergil, he says as much when Urizen is about to eat the fruit. But it is very clear that Eva very much so babied Dante more then Vergil as in the case with the Old Mans Diary entries in game that talk about how Vergil would spend large amounts of time in the library by himself. Not to mention where else he'd wander considering Eva didn't know where he was at before she died. He was at oldest 10 and he's already more socially closed off due to this, if I wanted to go further we could use the clear art unlocked in Chapter 17 where Dante is closer to Eva while Vergil is off in the distance both them are no older than 1 but Dantes the one being more closely watched. The game really doesn't talk about it one way or another saying she was a good or bad parent but it definitely gives both sides of the argument evidence on whether or not she favored one or the other.

Its wild because DmC uses this same story tactic but in a way that paints Eva more neutral and its Vergil's own paranoia and self doubt that causes him to feel like she loved Dante more then him even when she is actually there to disprove it.

Also I'm only using examples from within the DMC franchise not external examples that exist outside of the DMC universe since its counterintuitive and would lead to never ending arguments and examples of whats been done better and worse.

 

[Vergil95]

Maybe I misworded this which is a my b on my part but its very clear that V thought Eva favored Dante over him, while Dante knew that wasn't the case seeing how he was there when Eva tried to get Vergil, he says as much when Urizen is about to eat the fruit. But it is very clear that Eva very much so babied Dante more then Vergil as in the case with the Old Mans Diary entries in game that talk about how Vergil would spend large amounts of time in the library by himself. Not to mention where else he'd wander considering Eva didn't know where he was at before she died. He was at oldest 10 and he's already more socially closed off due to this, if I wanted to go further we could use the clear art unlocked in Chapter 17 where Dante is closer to Eva while Vergil is off in the distance both them are no older than 1 but Dantes the one being more closely watched. The game really doesn't talk about it one way or another saying she was a good or bad parent but it definitely gives both sides of the argument evidence on whether or not she favored one or the other.

Its wild because DmC uses this same story tactic but in a way that paints Eva more neutral and its Vergil's own paranoia and self doubt that causes him to feel like she loved Dante more then him even when she is actually there to disprove it.

Also I'm only using examples from within the DMC franchise not external examples that exist outside of the DMC universe since its counterintuitive and would lead to never ending arguments and examples of whats been done better and worse.

I never get a glimpse of the fact that Eva didn't love vergil whil playing dmc 5, but I understand that she loved him and died for him, it's vergil assumption that she didn't love him

 

[meg5493]

I never get a glimpse of the fact that Eva didn't love vergil whil playing dmc 5, but I understand that she loved him and died for him, it's vergil assumption that she didn't love him

Again its not stated Eva is a terrible mother the games not going to tell you that. We don't really get a glimpse of her outside of Dante's memories of her, but what we do know outside of Dante and V's perception of her is that she left Vergil alone for long periods of time.


Now regardless of that its up to the player to decide on how they feel about Eva, I for one don't like this new take on Eva since it kinda undermines how she was in the rest of the series, BUT not everyone feels this way since its a very hot take. I know some people on this thread don't feel that way about her and thats fine too its not something I'm really up in a knot about in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Vergil95]

Again its not stated Eva is a terrible mother the games not going to tell you that. We don't really get a glimpse of her outside of Dante's memories of her, but what we do know outside of Dante and V's perception of her is that she left Vergil alone for long periods of time.


Now regardless of that its up to the player to decide on how they feel about Eva, I for one don't like this new take on Eva since it kinda undermines how she was in the rest of the series, BUT not everyone feels this way since its a very hot take. I know some people on this thread don't feel that way about her and thats fine too its not something I'm really up in a knot about in the grand scheme of things.

I think that there is none of this in the game, the game dosent give vague information about Eva but instead strengthen the fact that Eva loved vergil... It's only a vergil assumption that he is left alone, it's not the case since for what we know of sparda and Eva they both love they re son equalli, if they didn't sparda would have give the Yamato to Dante alongside the rebellion and Eva would have give the perfect amulet only to Dante...

if you read the manga vision of V it look like he want to stay away from the house because of dante, because he bullied him, Infact when the old man give him the book he write his name on it because his brother tend to take vergil stuff, you can clearly understand that dante his a bit of a nuisance to vergil, but obviously they love each other, but since they were child there was this friendly rivalry... Eva loved him and she is not the cause of vergil loneliness as a kid... There is simply no intention by dmc 5 story to let us think that Eva love dante more than vergil or that she give dante more attention

 

[meg5493]

I think that there is none of this in the game, the game dosent give vague information about Eva but instead strengthen the fact that Eva loved vergil... It's only a vergil assumption that he is left alone, it's not the case since for what we know of sparda and Eva they both love they re son equalli, if they didn't sparda would have give the Yamato to Dante alongside the rebellion and Eva would have give the perfect amulet only to Dante...

if you read the manga vision of V it look like he want to stay away from the house because of dante, because he bullied him, Infact when the old man give him the book he write his name on it because his brother tend to take vergil stuff, you can clearly understand that dante his a bit of a nuisance to vergil, but obviously they love each other, but since they were child there was this friendly rivalry... Eva loved him and she is not the cause of vergil loneliness as a kid... There is simply no intention by dmc 5 story to let us think that Eva love dante more than vergil or that she give dante more attention

Things that are canon and not my own interpretation of the lore:


"He would show up at my home with his nose crammed into some collection of poems." -Old Mans Diary
(Unknown man either a librarian or someone well off that owned a study that Vergil would visit often)

"It was here....I can still see it. In fact I was playing right here. That was the house." - V talking about the attack that killed his mother who then points to a house quite a distance away.

"Vergil? Where are you Vergil?"- Eva yelling for Vergil right before her death.

Those are the 3 main instances I can think of off the top of my head that don't involve Vergil or Dantes opinions on their mother. And you're not seeming to get what I'm saying, DMC5 IN NO WAY TALKS ABOUT HOW EVA TREATS HER KIDS GOOD OR BAD. Everything in Visions of V, Before the Nightmare, and DMC5 that touches on V's childhood is used in a way to frame him as a precoious and quiet child incomparasion to what we can assume was a loud and brash Dante. It's to give the character more naunce and humanity to make you feel for the character more.

But at the same time it changes the set canon of Eva slighty enough that it starts to fall apart with when added onto to the rest of the series canon. Vergil has a habit of running off for periods of time without telling Eva we know this because Vergil was playing at the park and Eva didn't know where he was. These are things the game tells us, what we get from it can be completely different. I don't like the forced inclusion of their childhoods and Eva's death because it's not done as strong as I'd like and its not really touched on and I think it paints Eva as a mom that favors one kid over the other IMO.

My word is not fact, I'm just saying what I believe given what the game gives me and you can do the same.

BUT AGAIN YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE SAME OPINION THATS FINE.

And thats pretty much all I have to say at the moment sense you feel very deep about your pov.

 

[Vergil95]

Things that are canon and not my own interpretation of the lore:


"He would show up at my home with his nose crammed into some collection of poems." -Old Mans Diary
(Unknown man either a librarian or someone well off that owned a study that Vergil would visit often)

"It was here....I can still see it. In fact I was playing right here. That was the house." - V talking about the attack that killed his mother who then points to a house quite a distance away.

"Vergil? Where are you Vergil?"- Eva yelling for Vergil right before her death.

Those are the 3 main instances I can think of off the top of my head that don't involve Vergil or Dantes opinions on their mother. And you're not seeming to get what I'm saying, DMC5 IN NO WAY TALKS ABOUT HOW EVA TREATS HER KIDS GOOD OR BAD. Everything in Visions of V, Before the Nightmare, and DMC5 that touches on V's childhood is used in a way to frame him as a precoious and quiet child incomparasion to what we can assume was a loud and brash Dante. It's to give the character more naunce and humanity to make you feel for the character more.

But at the same time it changes the set canon of Eva slighty enough that it starts to fall apart with when added onto to the rest of the series canon. Vergil has a habit of running off for periods of time without telling Eva we know this because Vergil was playing at the park and Eva didn't know where he was. These are things the game tells us, what we get from it can be completely different. I don't like the forced inclusion of their childhoods and Eva's death because it's not done as strong as I'd like and its not really touched on and I think it paints Eva as a mom that favors one kid over the other IMO.

My word is not fact, I'm just saying what I believe given what the game gives me and you can do the same.

BUT AGAIN YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE SAME OPINION THATS FINE.

And thats pretty much all I have to say at the moment sense you feel very deep about your pov.

Yeah I understand what you say, but I simply can't see how they changed Eva character in dmc 5 and where is seen that she favore one kid over another... Vergil was simply playing at a park near his house and dint tell her mother, I always did the same things when I was a kid whitout telling my mother, I don't see how this can meen that Eva prefer vergil over dante or that my mother preferred my brother over me... Also because a kid stay far from his house dosent mean anything, he could simply be a curious or reserved kid just like I was

 

[Gilver18]

I think that there is none of this in the game, the game dosent give vague information about Eva but instead strengthen the fact that Eva loved vergil... It's only a vergil assumption that he is left alone, it's not the case since for what we know of sparda and Eva they both love they re son equalli, if they didn't sparda would have give the Yamato to Dante alongside the rebellion and Eva would have give the perfect amulet only to Dante...

if you read the manga vision of V it look like he want to stay away from the house because of dante, because he bullied him, Infact when the old man give him the book he write his name on it because his brother tend to take vergil stuff, you can clearly understand that dante his a bit of a nuisance to vergil, but obviously they love each other, but since they were child there was this friendly rivalry... Eva loved him and she is not the cause of vergil loneliness as a kid... There is simply no intention by dmc 5 story to let us think that Eva love dante more than vergil or that she give dante more attention

I mean if Eva didn't love Vergil, would she even bother going to look for him? I think Eva loved them both equally.

 

[Vergil95]

I mean if Eva didn't love Vergil, would she even bother going to look for him? I think Eva loved them both equally.

Yeah, I think Eva love for her sons was strengthened in dmc 5 instead of deminished

 

[meg5493]

Yeah I understand what you say, but I simply can't see how they changed Eva character in dmc 5 and where is seen that she favore one kid over another... Vergil was simply playing at a park near his house and dint tell her mother, I always did the same things when I was a kid whitout telling my mother, I don't see how this can meen that Eva prefer vergil over dante or that my mother preferred my brother over me... Also because a kid stay far from his house dosent mean anything, he could simply be a curious or reserved kid just like I was

The fact that they were constantly on the run and lived under alias' for on thing. The fact that Vergil would do this constantly enough while the Lord of the Underworld is looking for them is another. The fact that park was located in the city while the house was at least an hrs walk for 10 year old is absurd since Eva just lets him do this going by the assumption that she knew where he was. But I digress its meta discussion and pretty much made everything else non canon anyway.

 

[Vergil95]

The fact that they were constantly on the run and lived under alias' for on thing. The fact that Vergil would do this constantly enough while the Lord of the Underworld is looking for them is another. The fact that park was located in the city while the house was at least an hrs walk for 10 year old is absurd since Eva just lets him do this going by the assumption that she knew where he was. But I digress its meta discussion and pretty much made everything else non canon anyway.

Eva didn't know mundus was after them, they were living happy, she didn't know mundus resurrected, but one day mundus resurrected and send his army to kill Eva and the twins... Eva was taken out of guard, she didn't expect mundus to return

Who sayd the park was an hour from their house? from what I see in dmc 5 it was near they're house... also dante and vergil are no human boy what protection they need? Is there even a man that could have hurt Them even if they were children? Dante say that even as child he had powers, so not even schwazneggher and Stallone combined would have been able to hurt the twins, They were also teached by sparda to fight so they are the one that should probably defend Eva not the contrary XD vergil was even able to defeat some of mundus demons by using Yamato when he was assoulted that night, so they are no weak kid...

also its common for kid to run away from house and play in the park, I did it myself even before having 10 years old, running around whit my bike, and went very far from my house whitout doing anything... This is simply being a normal kid, and dosent mean that parent didn't prove love or didn't pay attention to children

 

[Lain]

It didn't "disappoint" me per se but the notion of splitting Vergil into his human/demon forms and yet the human side was on the good side whilst his demon half was a one note Saturday morning cartoon villain really irked me as it kinda spat on the franchise's entire theme of there being good demons and evil humans.

Thinking about it, playing coy about V's identity for the majority of the story killed a lot of potential to really study Vergil's character now that he was vulnerable as well as being forced to interact with so many different personalities. Genuinely, I think it would have been better to pull a Chain of Memories-esque style move where you initially only have Dante/Nero missions with V's being locked up until halfway through the game then you reveal V's identity and then all his Missions unlock which gives you another side to the story as you see things from his perspective as he questions his actions as Vergil and wonders if redemption is possible - maybe even have a psychic link with Urizen which allows them to debate whose path in life is right since the V/Urizen interaction in the actual game was so pathetically brief and underwhelming.

Maybe I'm just barking up the wrong tree, but the amount of wasted potential with V just irks me.

 

[V's patron]

Vergil and Dante probably aren't the most reliable opinions on Eva as a person. They were pretty young when she died and never got to know her outside of being her sons. After her death, Vergil probably blamed her and Dante for his problems because it's easier than accepting responsibility and Dante probably put her on a pedestal.

Granted revealing that Eva wasn't as noble as Dante had thought........would be interesting.

Just saying......

@Lain it's funny you bring up Kingdom Hearts given who V's Japanese VA was. V/Urizen feels like a Kingdom Hearts plot but done a bit better. Maybe the next game pulls from Persona or Nier? (I'm only half-joking).

The demon/human split might have been interesting if you did it to a younger Dante who has more baggage with his heritage than the older Dante who came to terms with it.

Like if Vergil got sick of Dante's whining and just did the split on him when he's 17 or so.

 

[meg5493]

Eva didn't know mundus was after them, they were living happy, she didn't know mundus resurrected, but one day mundus resurrected and send his army to kill Eva and the twins... Eva was taken out of guard, she didn't expect mundus to return

Who sayd the park was an hour from their house? from what I see in dmc 5 it was near they're house... also dante and vergil are no human boy what protection they need? Is there even a man that could have hurt Them even if they were children? Dante say that even as child he had powers, so not even schwazneggher and Stallone combined would have been able to hurt the twins, They were also teached by sparda to fight so they are the one that should probably defend Eva not the contrary XD vergil was even able to defeat some of mundus demons by using Yamato when he was assoulted that night, so they are no weak kid...

also its common for kid to run away from house and play in the park, I did it myself even before having 10 years old, running around whit my bike, and went very far from my house whitout doing anything... This is simply being a normal kid, and dosent mean that parent didn't prove love or didn't pay attention to children

None of what your saying makes sense so Dante and Vergil were trained by Sparda to be able to defend themselves against demons but unaware of the lord of demons or the fact that Eva has to protect them if they can fight for themselves. I don't know where your getting a lot of these statements since Dantes strength as a kid hasn't been shown to be any different to other kids especially since he hasn't awoken his demon half or the fact that Mundus has been resurrected or that Sparda trained them this is never shown in any DMC media. Mundus also wasn't the one to kill Eva he's a king he sent someone else to do it, which Sparda would know about which is why it made sense in old canon that they would move around constantly to prevent being tracked.

And the park and the house are clearly shown to be seperated by a huge crater and quite a distance away not to mention the distortion happening to the city. Theres a difference between you going a couple blocks to the playground and treking into a metropoliton area without your mom knowing on the daily. Your situation isn't universal I know my mom would flip if I didn't tell her were I was going and the fact Vergil did this a lot means she was probably with Dante since we're not shown Dante doing the same things Vergil did.

You clearly don't like my opinion about this since you're bringing your personal experiences into this for some reason and straight up just saying stuff now that doesn't exist in canon if you wanna end the conversation here thats fine, and if some of this stuff is in VoV cool I guess but at the same time it'll be non-canon by the next game or two just like all the other manga and novels.

 

[Vergil95]

None of what your saying makes sense so Dante and Vergil were trained by Sparda to be able to defend themselves against demons but unaware of the lord of demons or the fact that Eva has to protect them if they can fight for themselves. I don't know where your getting a lot of these statements since Dantes strength as a kid hasn't been shown to be any different to other kids especially since he hasn't awoken his demon half or the fact that Mundus has been resurrected or that Sparda trained them this is never shown in any DMC media. Mundus also wasn't the one to kill Eva he's a king he sent someone else to do it, which Sparda would know about which is why it made sense in old canon that they would move around constantly to prevent being tracked.

And the park and the house are clearly shown to be seperated by a huge crater and quite a distance away not to mention the distortion happening to the city. Theres a difference between you going a couple blocks to the playground and treking into a metropoliton area without your mom knowing on the daily. Your situation isn't universal I know my mom would flip if I didn't tell her were I was going and the fact Vergil did this a lot means she was probably with Dante since we're not shown Dante doing the same things Vergil did.

You clearly don't like my opinion about this since you're bringing your personal experiences into this for some reason and straight up just saying stuff now that doesn't exist in canon if you wanna end the conversation here thats fine, and if some of this stuff is in VoV cool I guess but at the same time it'll be non-canon by the next game or two just like all the other manga and novels.

It is stated that sparda trained dante and vergil whit the sworld when they were kid you can clearly read this in dmc 5 novel... Eva did know about mundus but didn't know that he would return, they were having a happy life...
Did you understand what I say?
Let me explain more clearly
Sparda defeated mundus 2000 years ago, he than merryed Eva 2000 years later and have two twins, they live happy in red graver city, sparda give Yamato and rebellion to Dante and vergil and trained them sometimes in the art of the sword, one day sparda disappeared, and than one day mundus resurrected and send his army to kill the twins and Eva... They were never on the run from mundus, mundus returned one day and send his army to kill her, she didn't expect this to happen....

Where is stated that in old canon sparda Eva vergil and Dante where always on the move to hide from mundus? Please send a source because I don't remember this...

Have you played dmc 1? Dante say that he had power since he was a child his strength wasn't that of an ordinary human, also you say that dante strength was not different from that of an ordinary human until he awakened his demon half, but this is completely wrong since in dmc 3 he manage to defeat every demon in his way even before the end of mission 7, the mission in Wich he awakened his demon half... Dante was always more powerful that a normal human even whitout his demon half awakened, this is clearly stated in dmc 1 and 3...
Take nero for example, he never awakens is true demon until dmc 5 and yet his strength were grater than that of a normal human, this is also clearly state in his file in dmc 5 and in dmc 5 novel...

The house and the park are not far from one another, they are far in dmc 5 because the city was destroyed by the qliphot tree and the house was taken away from is original position and put far away under the three, that's why v had to do a long way around, and that why house and park are divide by a crater, but if the crater wasn't there the park would have been near the house...

Did you read what I write in the previous post? I write that mundus resurrected and send his army to kill Eva and the twins, it's useless that you rewrite it since I already know it... They were never on the move as far as I remember please send a source that say this

 

[meg5493]

It is stated that sparda trained dante and vergil whit the sworld when they were kid you can clearly read this in dmc 5 novel... Eva did know about mundus but didn't know that he would return, they were having a happy life...
Did you understand what I say?
Let me explain more clearly
Sparda defeated mundus 2000 years ago, he than merryed Eva 2000 years later and have two twins, they live happy in red graver city, sparda give Yamato and rebellion to Dante and vergil and trained them sometimes in the art of the sword, one day sparda disappeared, and than one day mundus resurrected and send his army to kill the twins and Eva... They were never on the run from mundus, mundus returned one day and send his army to kill her, she didn't expect this to happen....

Where is stated that in old canon sparda Eva vergil and Dante where always on the move to hide from mundus? Please send a source because I don't remember this...

Have you played dmc 1? Dante say that he had power since he was a child his strength wasn't that of an ordinary human, also you say that dante strength was not different from that of an ordinary human until he awakened his demon half, but this is completely wrong since in dmc 3 he manage to defeat every demon in his way even before the end of mission 7, the mission in Wich he awakened his demon half... Dante was always more powerful that a normal human even whitout his demon half awakened, this is clearly stated in dmc 1 and 3...
Take nero for example, he never awakens is true demon until dmc 5 and yet his strength were grater than that of a normal human, this is also clearly state in his file in dmc 5 and in dmc 5 novel...
Did you read what I write in the previous post? I write that mundus resurrected and send his army to kill Eva and the twins, it's useless that you rewrite it since I already know it... They were never on the move as far as I remember please send a source that say this

Where is this stated that Mundus was resurrected (outside of DMC1) or that Eva didn't know about Mundus or the fact that he would come after them, its most likely the reason Sparda left in the first place. The DMC5 novel dedicates one line about training Vergil and Dante and since they were at least younger than 8 since they were actually eight when Eva died and Sparda left way before that, that training was probably very minimale and we've been shown how they "spar" in flashbacks its more then likely they never took it seriously until after they were both on there own. DMC1 is really wonky about its translations because while the opening doesn't mention Mundus being destroyed, Trish mentions he's been resurrected, by who, who knows, but then goes on to say his powers were sealed by Sparda so its a bit of a contradiction since it was never stated he died.
"20 years ago Mundus the emperor of the underworld ressurected... Yes, his powers were sealed by Sparda, he's attempting to take control of the human world once again."- Opening Cinematic of DMC1

"Even as a child I had powers, there's demonic blood in me"- Opening Cinematic of DMC1 after Trish throws his sword into his chest and then throws a motorcycle at him and electrocutes it.

Dante my have exelerated healing powers, and abnormal strength but it's not shown in canon that as a child he was beating up people or demons or the extent of what he did or showed since they lived among other humans, its all theory on both sides until we get definitive proof.

Devil May Cry: The Animated Series episode 8, "Once Upon A Time" which is still canon introduces a character from Dantes childhood that talks about how Eva and Dante moved away suddenly from Morris Island after a demon attack on there town. So its one instance in canon were they lived away from Red Grave City.

"Anthony its me, I'm Ernest don't say you don't remember me?... Just they way you speak I'd know that cranky attitude anywhere, theres no doubt about it, I can understand why you'd rather no want to remember all that, that was a terrible event but at last at long last I can clear you and your mother's names I found eriffutable evidence that it was all caused by a demon theres no doubt Dante." -Ernest when meeting Dante for a job.

And in DMC3 Lady is shown to be able to do the exact same when it comes to what we seen on screen, also the fact that in DMC4 she's able to fight even demonic bosses and the fact that human hunters are a normal thing in DMC its totally natural for humans to be able to fight demons. Dante in 3 just doesn't care since he knows most demons won't be able to land a killing blow on him that he lets them take cheap shots at him. (As shown in the DMC3 opening)

Plus using Nero as an example of being stronger than a human is a terrible example since its his human blood that makes him stronger than Dante and Vergil since he's only 1/4 demon instead of 1/2.

The house and the park are not far from one another, they are far in dmc 5 because the city was destroyed by the qliphot tree and the house was taken away from is original position and put far away under the three, that's why v had to do a long way around, and that why house and park are divide by a crater, but if the crater wasn't there the park would have been near the house...

Thats not how holes work, if theres a crater that usually means something used to be and since both the cutscene of Vergil entering his house and the Bonus Art of their house in Ch17 of DMC5 show no signs of being anywhere near a city or playground its safe to assume that a public playground was no where near the house again its meta discussion since the playground was used to segway their childhood home.

The fact of the matter is, is that you disagree with my opinion but DMC5 definitley made past DMC lore non-canon.

"always picking on me, always hurting me, always being better...."-DMC1 comic Dante awaking from a dream where he lost a sparing match against Vergil.

Dante on where he was when Eva was killed.

Though the DMC1 Novel goes into how Dante couldn't understand his mothers death because of how young he was so thats fun.

"Mommy. Mommy...Hey, Mommy!" The young child shook the body of his fallen mother, but she already breathed her last. They body didn't understand. "Mommy!" (DMC pg 77)

It was also after her death that he became interesting in Rebellion.(DMC pg 161)

vergil was even able to defeat some of mundus demons by using Yamato when he was assoulted that night, so they are no weak kid...

I went back to this because I thought maybe it was in a later chapter of VoV that I missed but I don't know where you go this do you have a source?

Though it doesn't really matter since pretty much everything I sourced besides, funnily enough the DMC1 novel, are in some form non- canon now due to 5 and I'm sure it'll be the case in future installments.

And thats all I really have to say about the subject that its fun to look back at old asshole Vergil I really miss the dude.

 

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They didn't know Than mundus would have attacked them that s all, they know about him probably but they didn't expected to be attacked...

Dante and vergil were far powerful than any human beign, I never say that the twin beat someone to prove that, but it's obvious that if some fight would have accured they would have defeated any foe, they are the son of sparda not common human, also you have quoted dmc 1 yourself and say that he could have had healing powers and abnormal strength, so sometimes you should simply admit that you are wrong since dmc 1 and 3 stated well that dante was always more powerful than a normal human...

Also you are contradicting yourself saying that Nero is stronger because he had more human blood whil previously you say that to be stronger someone like dante had to awaken their half demon...

Eva dante vergil and sparda where never on the run, the anime mission 8 flashback take place after Dante's mother die, then one they are talking about isn't dante s mother, since you can clearly understand that vergil is never mentioned its obviously that that period of time take place after Eva death, dante move on from red grave city probably meet some woman who begin to take care of him and went to Ernest city... It cant take place before because dante and vergil were always togheter and sparda was in red grave city before disappearing, but enrnest only mention dante and its mother, where are vergil and sparda? It obviously take place after Eva death, the one Ernest is talking about its not dante mother, it's just someone who was taking care of him... Also there is no proof in old Canon that they were on the run unless you link someone....

Lady can fight demon boss in dmc 4? Where sorry I did miss something? Lady only appear in two cutscene, if you are taking her campaign for example that completely non Canon... It's show in dmc 3 and the anime that she had difficult fighting larger foe whitout dante help, Infact in dmc 3 mission 9 in the opening cutscene dante left lady fighting lesser demon and she is still there after the end of mission 9, she had difficulty taking care of them soon....

How hole works sorry? XD
Didn't you see that half of the city is in the air? There was nothing in that hole, probably the house was there but was taken away , the park and the house where at least near the house, then house was taken far away...

vergil used Yamato to kill demon in dmc 3 manga, he was in a grave yard and was attacked by demon during the night at red grave city and he use Yamato to defeat them, you can clearly see that he is impaled by many demon weapon but dispite that he manage to survive and fight back using Yamato, another proof that dante and vergil had power since they were kid

Also vergil was depicted to not be near dante and Eva during mundus army attack even in dmc 3 manga, so vergil being a lone wolf WAs always the problem not Eva not looking or caring for him

I know that dmc devil may cry isn't part of that Canon, but since character personality are very similar, I want to take vergil and Dante relationship as an example, in vergil dlc, Eva say that he loved vergil and Dante in the same way, but vergil say that she loved dante more, obviously that's not true its only a vergil assumption, the same things can be applaied to the original dmc Canon