Venom:Let there be Carnage

[Morgan]

/sees the complete nonsense of that link source
Google the Google Google Google?
/hovers
Oh, it's CBR. Covered up with AMP link b.s. Ok, I guess.

I don't know who half these characters are.

 

[Morgan]

 

[absolitude]

Serious question, are you guys okay with how Hardy is in Venom and the sequel? I feel like the type of fumor doesn't fit him here especially knowing how he is in interviews or talk shows, and it's either he don't deliver or the humor just doesn't work well for him.

I mean he can be funny, like in that movie with Chris Pine, forgot what it was called, but this humor in Brock, I just don't think it fits his persona, and it's not doing it for me. I feel the same way with David Harbour in Hellboy.

 

[Morgan]

Serious question, are you guys okay with how Hardy is in Venom and the sequel? I feel like the type of fumor doesn't fit him here especially knowing how he is in interviews or talk shows, and it's either he don't deliver or the humor just doesn't work well for him.

I mean he can be funny, like in that movie with Chris Pine, forgot what it was called, but this humor in Brock, I just don't think it fits his persona, and it's not doing it for me. I feel the same way with David Harbour in Hellboy.

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He's an actor. He's supposed to act. If he wanted to be pigeonholed into being dour and serious all of the time with only dry British humor at best, he'd keep writing and acting in Taboo instead of leaving it at one season, but here he is. He has story credits for the movie and Andy Serkis is directing. He can (and probably has) worked it out with him and whoever else has writing credit with him. Finding that the humor didn't land is one thing but making it sound like Hardy's predisposed to not being funny or otherwise not having a sense of humor and gleaning his "persona" based off of... interviews? That's very viciously a You Problem. Cut that parasocial sh#t out. You don't actually know the dude and what he's like.

"How he is in interviews" is probably exhausted from press junkets and being asked the same thing over and over in whatever talk show he's in, combined with whether or not he even has chemistry with the person he's talking to and if they're even intelligent or not. Some interviewers are straight up dumber than others. Humor in a movie would ideally be written to fit his character and what he's capable of delivering if the writers are worth a damn. And again, he has story credit. He's a big guy.

 

[absolitude]

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He's an actor. He's supposed to act. If he wanted to be pigeonholed into being dour and serious all of the time with only dry British humor at best, he'd keep writing and acting in Taboo instead of leaving it at one season, but here he is. He has story credits for the movie and Andy Serkis is directing. He can (and probably has) worked it out with him and whoever else has writing credit with him. Finding that the humor didn't land is one thing but making it sound like Hardy's predisposed to not being funny or otherwise not having a sense of humor and gleaning his "persona" based off of... interviews? That's very viciously a You Problem. Cut that parasocial sh#t out. You don't actually know the dude and what he's like.

"How he is in interviews" is probably exhausted from press junkets and being asked the same thing over and over in whatever talk show he's in, combined with whether or not he even has chemistry with the person he's talking to and if they're even intelligent or not. Some interviewers are straight up dumber than others. Humor in a movie would ideally be written to fit his character and what he's capable of delivering if the writers are worth a damn. And again, he has story credit. He's a big guy.

Yeah well, I still see him not fitting a goofy slapstic humor and he don't deliver very well.

And interviews, talkshow and stuffs is where we can see the closest to how a celebrity even if they're still representing their brand, you really don't need to know them to understand, that's just naive, "Hitler seems like a nutjob" "Hey, you don't know the guy".

Tom is funny in the interviews and talkshows i mentioned, Tom is funny in the movie 'this means war' with Chris Pine. Tiresome is never the context here, you're just assuming i find him not funny.

 

[V's patron]

@absolitude I think he pulls it off. If anything he's trying something new.

 

[Lain]

Serious question, are you guys okay with how Hardy is in Venom and the sequel? I feel like the type of fumor doesn't fit him here especially knowing how he is in interviews or talk shows, and it's either he don't deliver or the humor just doesn't work well for him.

I mean he can be funny, like in that movie with Chris Pine, forgot what it was called, but this humor in Brock, I just don't think it fits his persona, and it's not doing it for me. I feel the same way with David Harbour in Hellboy.

I agree, I don't know whether it's the film's fault or Hardy's but the two just don't work well together.

 

[absolitude]

@absolitude I think he pulls it off.

It's a matter of taste apparently. How was Brock in the comics btw?

I agree, I don't know whether it's the film's fault or Hardy's but the two just don't work well together.

I would think it's the film's fault, and not really a fault i guess. I mean it's proven CBM movies with humor sells nicely, and they wanted to go with that direction. Fortunately it worked for them, I have no beef with that.

I just think as a fan, it's not the right kind of humor for him. I just hope Serkis can manage this, and if not, woody can always balance a movie to my liking.

 

[V's patron]

@absolitude he's not as slapstick in the issues I've read but I've mostly read him as a supporting character/antagonist than the lead.

 

[Morgan]

you really don't need to know them to understand, that's just naive, "Hitler seems like a nutjob" "Hey, you don't know the guy".

Godwin's Law? Really? You couldn't make your point without sounding ridiculous?
Try again, without comparing an actor to a mass murderer/war criminal.
But I mean, I haven't seen you argue your point coherently yet, so I'm pretty sure you can't deliver that very well. It doesn't seem like your thing.
See how easy that is?

Tom is funny in the interviews and talkshows i mentioned,

Am I supposed to know exactly which interviews and talkshows you mentioned considering you didn't name any or am I supposed to read your mind on this one? Is there no theory of mind on the internet?

I know Tom Hardy can be/is funny. I find him funny. I think he pulled off the slapstick in that trailer since it's Venom being a brat and both figuratively and literally punching down on people he thinks are dumb. Venom in the comics is pretty goofy and immature and makes bad jokes, which follows him into portrayals in other media (PS1 Spider-Man game, etc). I'm pointing out that your assumption that Tom Hardy can't do slapstick based off of interviews where he's not doing slapstick is effing dumb, and saying it doesn't work in a comic-book-movie based on a character you don't know anything about is even sillier. Your opinion isn't even based on comic accuracy: if it were, and the issue was "Venom is a serious character and the writers are making him goofy because they don't understand the comics and MCU-brand humor is cheap and easy," you'd have a point. You don't. You didn't have one since 20 years ago. "Surf the web! Surf the web!" You're concern trolling in favor of getting a version of the character that doesn't exist and/or toning him down to fit your sensibilities, which is frankly pussy behavior.

Hardy compared the relationship between Venom and Eddie as Ren and Stimpy before the first movie came out. I'm going to trust that the humor in the first movie and this one didn't blindside him. "He can't do X because he's never done X before and him doing X in a fictional work doesn't fit my mental perception of who he is according to real life (even though his entire job involves pretending to be something he's not)" would sound ridiculous no matter which actor you slapped it on. Because it is.

 

[absolitude]

@absolitude he's not as slapstick in the issues I've read but I've mostly read him as a supporting character/antagonist than the lead.

I actually read a comment in the internet that he's rather goofy, so I suppose the direction fits.

Godwin's Law? Really? You couldn't make your point without sounding ridiculous?
Try again, without comparing an actor to a mass murderer/war criminal.
But I mean, I haven't seen you argue your point coherently yet, so I'm pretty sure you can't deliver that very well. It doesn't seem like your thing.
See how easy that is?


Am I supposed to know exactly which interviews and talkshows you mentioned considering you didn't name any or am I supposed to read your mind on this one? Is there no theory of mind on the internet?

I know Tom Hardy can be/is funny. I find him funny. I think he pulled off the slapstick in that trailer since it's Venom being a brat and both figuratively and literally punching down on people he thinks are dumb. Venom in the comics is pretty goofy and immature and makes bad jokes, which follows him into portrayals in other media (PS1 Spider-Man game, etc). I'm pointing out that your assumption that Tom Hardy can't do slapstick based off of interviews where he's not doing slapstick is effing dumb, and saying it doesn't work in a comic-book-movie based on a character you don't know anything about is even sillier. Your opinion isn't even based on comic accuracy: if it were, and the issue was "Venom is a serious character and the writers are making him goofy because they don't understand the comics and MCU-brand humor is cheap and easy," you'd have a point. You don't. You didn't have one since 20 years ago. "Surf the web! Surf the web!" You're concern trolling in favor of getting a version of the character that doesn't exist and/or toning him down to fit your sensibilities, which is frankly pussy behavior.

Hardy compared the relationship between Venom and Eddie as Ren and Stimpy before the first movie came out. I'm going to trust that the humor in the first movie and this one didn't blindside him. "He can't do X because he's never done X before and him doing X in a fictional work doesn't fit my mental perception of who he is according to real life (even though his entire job involves pretending to be something he's not)" would sound ridiculous no matter which actor you slapped it on. Because it is.

Who is this godwin you talking about? Just be casual and less the formality, imagine you're having a talk in a cafe or cafetaria.

And same case different example. Even if he's a mass murderer you don't actually know the guy. And yep arguing some trivial stuffs is never my thing. "Obama seems cool and fun" "You don't know the guy"
"Putin seems like a serious person even if threw some jokes" "You don't know the guy"
"The Pope seem like a religious person" "You don't know the guy"
"Will Smith seems like a fun guy who knows how to carry his surroundings" "You don't know the guy"
"Morgan seems like an angry nerd who likes to argue" "You.. Hey, I know the guy" Well, not really

You're not supposed to know slowpoke, you just need to read without your fandom clouding that beautiful head.

I never think Hardy can't do slapstick, I think the slapstick goofy humor doesn't fit him.

I'm not a comic nerd, never was. I'm a movie nerd. Don't matter who Hardy compared the relationship with, it was never the context. You're just making stuffs up to make a lengthy essay and still missing the point.

I Lika do da cha cha and my tiny little nipple went to morgan.

 

[V's patron]

@absolitude @Morgan can you guys move your debate to a private conversation?

 

[absolitude]

@absolitude @Morgan can you guys move your debate to a private conversation?

Ohkay.. I'm not enjoying this anyway

 

[Morgan]

Who is this godwin you talking about? Just be casual and less the formality, imagine you're having a talk in a cafe or cafetaria.

"Unless we're talking about Nazis or actual Nazi-adjacent topics, bringing up Hitler to make a point makes you sound stupid".

Me pointing out that you have this seemingly parasocial relationship with Tom Hardy enough to talk as if you disapprove of the way his portrayal is going when a) you're not Andy Serkis b) Tom Hardy has story credit and c) you don't even know that the character was silly to begin with, has nothing to do with Hitler.

Don't matter who Hardy compared the relationship with, it was never the context. You're just making stuffs up to make a lengthy essay and still missing the point.

So it doesn't matter to a conversation about whether slapstick humor fits Tom Hardy, that Tom made a deliberate comparison between the characters he plays to slapstick cartoon characters? You sure?

I mean, I don't know. I didn't walk in concern-trolling like a clownshoe about someone else's ability to act a certain way and couching it in a cowardly "Are you guys okay with..." like permission needs to be given anywhere. That's you. I'm okay with this direction. But if I wanted to read about people using their own misinformed opinion to cast aspersions on an actor's portrayal of a character, I'd go carry a conversation with the Snyder hatecultists who think Superman and Batman are the same dude in different clothes just because they wanted a Donner-Reeves rehash and didn't get one.

 

[absolitude]

"Unless we're talking about Nazis or actual Nazi-adjacent topics, bringing up Hitler to make a point makes you sound stupid".

"You're not you when you're hungy" - Snickers Law,

Nothing significant about some words by some people. And you don't even actually know this godwin chap.

You want to continue here?

 

[BrawlMan]

Movie is looking good and I'm excited. That is all.

 

[Dark Drakan]

Liked the trailer and think that Hardy and Woody Harrelson will bounce off each other quite well with their acting styles.

 

[Morgan]

+1 to that. I criticized the first movie's trailer for looking like it was afraid to embrace its source material. Strip the title and the symbiote from the original Venom teaser and it looked like any generic anti-science "playing God with things we don't understand" movie about unearthing an ancient virus. It was even edited to look like Eddie had telekinetic powers at some points. This trailer knows it's about alien goo that eats people and that Venom and Eddie are basically a couple.

 

[Morgan]

I just finished watching Venom.
There's a mid credits scene

Spoiler

They really ****ing did it. Venom is now in MCU Continuity.

"hopefully Sony doesn't ever get the idea of sticking Iron Lad into their universe," I said. What curse have I wrought on the Venom series.

 

[Morgan]

Finished Spider-Man: No Way Home. It has a Mid-Credits and a Post-Credits.

Spoiler

The earlier Dame Da Ne moment got fixed. Venom was sent back to his own verse in Spidey's Mid-Credits, but a small bit of the symbiote remained which is undoubtedly still attracted to Peter. Symbiote Suit Spidey is inevitable, but in addition we might get a more MCU-adherent Venom, or it can possess Flash to make Agent Venom, or one then the other, then the next. They'll pull that off in the next Spidey Trilogy, College Edition I guess.

They've opened the floodgates to make anything they want whenever they feel like printing cash. They can close out Venom 3 as a solo movie, Spidey 4 gets Symbiote Suit but with the Klyntar hive-mind knowledge that Venom was trying to introduce onto Eddie, then Venom can come back in Spidey 5 if he notices a piece of himself was missing/left behind. Peter can go Cosmic whenever.