They can probably try Man-Wolf after Morbius comes out, because the vampire-werewolf juxtaposition is too good to pass up.
Venom:Let there be Carnage
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These are obscure Spider-themed villians that you could pit Venom against. These might work as secondary antagonists. These two could even be a father and son duo.
In the Ultimate Comics, Eddie's parents were scientists who worked with Peter's. They also died under mysterious circumstances. I imagined if Eddie popped up in the Garfield movies, they would've played on that connection. So you could have that be a movie plot. Eddie has to find out who killed his parents because of something in the present. He and Spiderman could even work together on it. They bury the hatchet or teamup etc.
You could just have the Tarantula's above be behind it. There's also the Chameleon who had a role in it. The actual culprit was this guy-
Albert Malik (Earth-616)
8 appearance(s) of Albert Malik (Earth-616) 5 appearance(s) in handbook(s) of Albert Malik (Earth-616) 4 minor appearance(s) of Albert Malik (Earth-616) 5 mention(s) of Albert Malik (Earth-616) 3 mention(s) in handbook(s) of Albert Malik (Earth-616) 6 image(s) of Albert Malik (Earth-616) Red...
I don't see the MCU using him anytime soon although Red Skull ain't the only Skull around.
There's this guy-
Green Skull (Earth-616)
The Green Skull was an environmental terrorist that believed the only way to save the Earth was to end mankind.[1] 2 appearance(s) of Green Skull (Earth-616) 1 mention(s) of Green Skull (Earth-616) 2 image(s) of Green Skull (Earth-616) 1 quotation(s) by or about Green Skull (Earth-616)
And this guy-
Golden Skull (Earth-15061)
5 appearance(s) of Golden Skull (Earth-15061) 1 mention(s) of Golden Skull (Earth-15061) 8 image(s) of Golden Skull (Earth-15061) 1 quotation(s) by or about Golden Skull (Earth-15061)
And even this guy-
Blazing Skull - Wikipedia
So maybe Sony could work out a deal etc.
So you have a few options etc.
This is my pitch for Venom 3 or Venom V Spiderman.
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What are any of those guys going to accomplish except get people annoyed that they look like Red Skull/Black Mask ripoffs now that better known mask-wearing/skull-headed characters hit the big screen? Well, except for that last guy, who's just going to be confused for a Ghost Rider ripoff and even has his entry say that he shouldn't be confused for Ghost Rider, even when he's was called Ghost Rider 1945 on one issue. Blazing Skull would have to belong to a period movie set in the 1940s. If they went with him smuggling himself into Nazi Germany , the Captain America (and Red Skull) comparisons would be right there waiting to happen. Or they could involve him in the Second Sino-Japanese War and have the Nazis in the background.I don't see the MCU using him anytime soon although Red Skull ain't the only Skull around.
There's this guy-
Green Skull (Earth-616)
The Green Skull was an environmental terrorist that believed the only way to save the Earth was to end mankind.[1] 2 appearance(s) of Green Skull (Earth-616) 1 mention(s) of Green Skull (Earth-616) 2 image(s) of Green Skull (Earth-616) 1 quotation(s) by or about Green Skull (Earth-616)marvel.fandom.com
And this guy-
Golden Skull (Earth-15061)
5 appearance(s) of Golden Skull (Earth-15061) 1 mention(s) of Golden Skull (Earth-15061) 8 image(s) of Golden Skull (Earth-15061) 1 quotation(s) by or about Golden Skull (Earth-15061)
And even this guy-
Blazing Skull - Wikipedia
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Point is, Blazing Skull has no place in a "vs Venom" movie. He's not even a villain.
@Morgan
I thought the connection with the others skulls would help bolster Albert if they decide to use him.
With Blazing Skull, I was more interested in using the species he came from than the WW2 one specifically.
Having Albert become a Blazing Skull is a way to play with "White Savior" Tropes that got flack in recent years.
Most villians have legacy characters so it gives you more options. If you can't use Kraven you could use one of his kids instead.
I don't know if putting a Sony lead up against a MCU villian is a practical idea but it is a fun one.
I thought the connection with the others skulls would help bolster Albert if they decide to use him.
With Blazing Skull, I was more interested in using the species he came from than the WW2 one specifically.
Having Albert become a Blazing Skull is a way to play with "White Savior" Tropes that got flack in recent years.
Most villians have legacy characters so it gives you more options. If you can't use Kraven you could use one of his kids instead.
I don't know if putting a Sony lead up against a MCU villian is a practical idea but it is a fun one.
It just sounds like clogging up the property and turning it into another Spider-Man 3. We don't need this many Skulls just to shoehorn a plot about the parents Eddie never mentioned and the murder that didn't come up until after two movies into the character's run. I mean, it's just like Tony being upset Bucky killed his mom when his character arc revolves around his father, and a Ctrl+F of "Maria" in the scripts to the entire trilogy [1] [2] [3] of Iron Man movies results in literally one result, from Howard in a pre-recorded tape.
So, this "plays with the White Savior trope", not by simply not adhering to the trope, and not by not portraying the White character as the savior of the "savage tribe" because they're not savages and they don't need saving, and not by omitting the bit about the White character being "the Chosen One",
but by giving the power to an Evil Communist murderer? Implying the tribe of Skull Men are either evil (by association or by design) for abetting a villain, really poor judges of character for teaching him those skills if they didn't know his nature, or otherwise their lore and arts were potentially forcibly taken from them and used against their wishes a.k.a. literal cultural appropriation?
I'm going to politely assume you didn't think that through.
@Morgan
I don't mean to use all 3 of the Skulls at once. I would've just picked one to use as Albert's main supervillian ID. Or just use Black Tarantula instead which is probably simpler.
For the Blazing Skull idea, I didn't think that far ahead but I was leaning towards the last option you mentioned. I was thinking more like Doctor Who where the main villian called the Master just teams up with a seperate alien race in order to do something dastardly. Some times by force, some times by mutual benefit etc.
I don't mean to use all 3 of the Skulls at once. I would've just picked one to use as Albert's main supervillian ID. Or just use Black Tarantula instead which is probably simpler.
For the Blazing Skull idea, I didn't think that far ahead but I was leaning towards the last option you mentioned. I was thinking more like Doctor Who where the main villian called the Master just teams up with a seperate alien race in order to do something dastardly. Some times by force, some times by mutual benefit etc.
@V's patron Yeah, the Tarantulas would be a lot easier to streamline. Given their designs, the symbiote could get its own pattern from them and not Spider-Man explicitly.
... You have to think ahead, though. If you know enough about the White Savior trope to want to """play""" with it, it behooves you to consider that the answer isn't Literally Colonialism™ or making the tribe otherwise directly benefit a villain of their own will. These are practitioners of a mysterious art that live under caves in China. It's not that hard to make it non-objectionable. The option is right there: have Mark Todd, not a villain, learn the art of having a friggin' flaming head without saddling him with a Chosen One story or how the forces of destiny led him to that spot so he could get the power to Right All The Wrongs In The World or whatever. Like, why not add Mark Todd? He's a reporter. His coverage of the Sino-Japanese War and WWII in general (including the part where he smuggles himself into dangerous places just to get the news) could have made his reporter persona Eddie's inspiration or something like that.
... You have to think ahead, though. If you know enough about the White Savior trope to want to """play""" with it, it behooves you to consider that the answer isn't Literally Colonialism™ or making the tribe otherwise directly benefit a villain of their own will. These are practitioners of a mysterious art that live under caves in China. It's not that hard to make it non-objectionable. The option is right there: have Mark Todd, not a villain, learn the art of having a friggin' flaming head without saddling him with a Chosen One story or how the forces of destiny led him to that spot so he could get the power to Right All The Wrongs In The World or whatever. Like, why not add Mark Todd? He's a reporter. His coverage of the Sino-Japanese War and WWII in general (including the part where he smuggles himself into dangerous places just to get the news) could have made his reporter persona Eddie's inspiration or something like that.
Lesson learned.
I'm not 100% about the parent thing. I just saw it as something to use if Sony wanted to salvage the Amazing Spiderman stuff. In fact I think Eddie and Peter teaming up to solve the dissapearance but having a fallout over where their research takes them was how to bring Venom in.
that could always be scrapped or simplified.
They're using Kraven.
It's Aaron Taylor-Johnson. He doesn't do a half-bad Eastern European accent, for a Brit, and there's a good chance he works out/bulks up for Kraven. Now I have to go see Savages and Nocturnal Animals to get an idea of what his villainous or morally conflicted roles look like.
My post was written before this news and just a hypothetical.
On the Kraven casting-
I rather a Russian actor do it but he's a decent choice. I was hoping for Hugh Jackman or Karl Urban.
I guess they are going Young Kraven?
I think it's gonna be a villian's origin story like Joker, Maleficent, Cruella, Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul etc.
A bigger breakdown-
Kraven felt like a reference to the short story "the greatest game". It centered around around a hunter who sought bigger challenges. So he started to hunt other men for sport.
So you could have Kraven start hunting supernatural beings. Spiderman was considered a Totem in the early 2000s. So just take of a few of Spiderman villians and make them Totems of other animals. It also builds up that mythology in the background etc.
Kraven doesn't have to be that good as a person. These Totems just have to be worse.
Eventually he'll cross a moral line in his quest, becoming a villian in the eyes of the audience. Or that's the goal of the story.
Or maybe Johnson is playing Kraven's son who they could play around with more. They don't have to commit to villiany with his kid.
https://www.marvel.com/characters/kraven-alyosha-kravinoff
What kind of b.s. copout is that? Lmao.
No. They're going full Kraven.
Here, have an article.
They're not talking about the illegit son that debuted in 1997.
Do general audiences even know who that is without immediately defaulting to the more iconic Kraven the First?
These are the same audiences that lost their minds at Jesse Eisenberg playing Lex, even when the character says in plain English that "My father put the Lex in front of the Corp," meaning Jesse played Alexander Luthor Jr and not Sr, but they still whinged about how OOC his take was, and incessantly fancasted Bryan Cranston to take his place like that isn't the most uninspired vanilla-flavor nonsense ever.
They didn't understand Lex Luthor Jr when Junior's been around since the 80s and was in TV a couple of times, and that's WB. Sony isn't slick enough to think they can get away with "this is Kraven's son" without putting up the first Kraven. That's why they didn't go for Mac Gargan or Flash Thompson as Venom even though they've also hosted the symbiote; it's about the iconic, easily accessible interpretation.
So how is Kraven actually in the comics? Every fanart i came accros gave this brooding-sad-loner-wise-deep thinker-melancholistic whatever vibe to it..
I just saw him as an proud and arrogant thrillseeker.
Here is some more info-
Marvel's Kraven the Hunter Explained: Why Aaron Taylor-Johnson's Spider-Man Villain Is Getting a Solo Movie - IGN
Kraven the Hunter is the latest Spider-Man villain to head to the big screen as part of the Sony Pictures Universe of Marvel Characters, where he'll be played by Aaron Taylor-Johnson. He's also the villain of Marvel's Spider-Man 2 on the Playstation 5. Here's everything you need to know about...
Aaron Taylor-Johnson Becomes Kraven The Hunter In Epic Spider-Man Fan Art
How might the Spider-Verse villain look in costume?
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Sony's Kraven Movie: Casting 10 Perfect Actors & The Characters They Could Play
Aaron Taylor-Johnson is set to star as the infamous Spider-Man villain in his first solo movie. Who else should be a part of the project?!?!
fandomwire.com
Kraven The Hunter: 10 Things Only Comic Book Fans Know About The Spider-Man Villain
Kraven The Hunter is slated to get his own movie soon. The Spider-Man villain has a long history that comic book fans know all too well.
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He's proud, and tends to have a somewhat poetic feel to his speech, but that's just me.
Let me pull up an actual comic. Best to hear it from the man himself.
I just saw him as an proud and arrogant thrillseeker.
Here is some more info-
Marvel's Kraven the Hunter Explained: Why Aaron Taylor-Johnson's Spider-Man Villain Is Getting a Solo Movie - IGN
Kraven the Hunter is the latest Spider-Man villain to head to the big screen as part of the Sony Pictures Universe of Marvel Characters, where he'll be played by Aaron Taylor-Johnson. He's also the villain of Marvel's Spider-Man 2 on the Playstation 5. Here's everything you need to know about...www.google.com
Aaron Taylor-Johnson Becomes Kraven The Hunter In Epic Spider-Man Fan Art
How might the Spider-Verse villain look in costume?
Sony's Kraven Movie: Casting 10 Perfect Actors & The Characters They Could Play
Aaron Taylor-Johnson is set to star as the infamous Spider-Man villain in his first solo movie. Who else should be a part of the project?!?!
Kraven The Hunter: 10 Things Only Comic Book Fans Know About The Spider-Man Villain
Kraven The Hunter is slated to get his own movie soon. The Spider-Man villain has a long history that comic book fans know all too well.
I think it's safe to say i was kinda not wrong for nitpicking some bunch of fanarts.
i mean look at how brooooooding they look..
Anyway, I think this is good casting, especially if i'm referencing ATJ from the movie savage, that was a proud and confident character if i remember correctly.
I get your point, but you're picking photo manips that trend towards "Jason Momoa looks badass and he should be Kraven because he's big and badass" (and they source Justice League or Aquaman photos where Arthur is depicted as serious and brooding) or "Kraven himself is a badass, and badasses brood" with ATJ depicted as serious and brooding, plus it's easier to photomanipulate a "neutral expression" than anything dynamic.
Kraven the character has actually looked like this
and like this
in comics. Look at the brooooooding on the first one!
I mean, it's not impossible for him to brood or look deep/sad/melancholistic-- the passage I quoted was from Kraven's Last Hunt, and it's legit him deep-thinking and monologuing to himself about his legacy, his parents, his relationship with Spider-Man, and his own impending death, and the panel art is him looking into a coffin dejectedly and gazing on the Symbiote Spider-Man costume with literal tears in his eyes. See it for yourself.
Also note: Think about the impression you'd get about DMC itself if you looked at just the fanart?
Fanartists generally don't concern themselves that much about simply repeating the original work's scenarios, and it's more like they use the characters as "models" for whatever concept they want to explore that's at best tangentially related. It couldn't get any more obvious than when bitching about the reboot hit its peak, and a post on Tumblr made the rounds about "this is the REAL DMC that fans want, not this reboot garbage".
Was it actual screenshots of the games? Was it videos showing flashy combos executed in smokin' sick style? No. It was fanart.
What was the fanart about? Umm.... Vergil submerged in a water tank, looking up with a "My God, why hast thou forsaken me" expression with air bubbles rising from his mouth.... some other piece involving Vergil and blue butterflies, if it wasn't the exact same piece... and I can't actually remember the rest, but like, none of it actually expressed what DMC is, it was just gothic and using the characters as models.
Other notable "What does this have to do with the game?" fanarts I can think of from the top of my head include: any art made prior to DMC5 (and not involving Nero) where Dante, Vergil, Sparda, etc, are depicted with black "avian" wings as if they were Sephiroth or Jin Kazama, instead of the bat-like or draconic-type wings they actually have; Wolfina's art with Dante and Vergil depicted as centaurs... with avian wings; anything with explicit shipping; anything about Vergil being a good dad or being a dad at all; anything with incest, and the incest part is so prevalent that Rae / Off Record had to apologize for not putting incest in her art because she generally isn't interested in Vergil or what he represents in the game or the fandom to begin with, and she gravitates towards Credo instead. That's sad.
Anyway ATJ is good casting.
I get your point, but you're picking photo manips that trend towards "Jason Momoa looks badass and he should be Kraven because he's big and badass" (and they source Justice League or Aquaman photos where Arthur is depicted as serious and brooding) or "Kraven himself is a badass, and badasses brood" with ATJ depicted as serious and brooding, plus it's easier to photomanipulate a "neutral expression" than anything dynamic.
Kraven the character has actually looked like this
and like this
in comics. Look at the brooooooding on the first one!
I mean, it's not impossible for him to brood or look deep/sad/melancholistic-- the passage I quoted was from Kraven's Last Hunt, and it's legit him deep-thinking and monologuing to himself about his legacy, his parents, his relationship with Spider-Man, and his own impending death, and the panel art is him looking into a coffin dejectedly and gazing on the Symbiote Spider-Man costume with literal tears in his eyes. See it for yourself.
Also note: Think about the impression you'd get about DMC itself if you looked at just the fanart?
Fanartists generally don't concern themselves that much about simply repeating the original work's scenarios, and it's more like they use the characters as "models" for whatever concept they want to explore that's at best tangentially related. It couldn't get any more obvious than when bitching about the reboot hit its peak, and a post on Tumblr made the rounds about "this is the REAL DMC that fans want, not this reboot garbage".
Was it actual screenshots of the games? Was it videos showing flashy combos executed in smokin' sick style? No. It was fanart.
What was the fanart about? Umm.... Vergil submerged in a water tank, looking up with a "My God, why hast thou forsaken me" expression with air bubbles rising from his mouth.... some other piece involving Vergil and blue butterflies, if it wasn't the exact same piece... and I can't actually remember the rest, but like, none of it actually expressed what DMC is, it was just gothic and using the characters as models.
Other notable "What does this have to do with the game?" fanarts I can think of from the top of my head include: any art made prior to DMC5 (and not involving Nero) where Dante, Vergil, Sparda, etc, are depicted with black "avian" wings as if they were Sephiroth or Jin Kazama, instead of the bat-like or draconic-type wings they actually have; Wolfina's art with Dante and Vergil depicted as centaurs... with avian wings; anything with explicit shipping; anything about Vergil being a good dad or being a dad at all; anything with incest, and the incest part is so prevalent that Rae / Off Record had to apologize for not putting incest in her art because she generally isn't interested in Vergil or what he represents in the game or the fandom to begin with, and she gravitates towards Credo instead. That's sad.
Anyway ATJ is good casting.
Well maybe not so much on the brooding part, it's more the sad looks and melancholic, wind blowing, hair flowing, cold cold weather with a lion-- But yea, i get your point too.
I know nothing bout Kraven, but surely a guy with an outfit like that wouldn't look sad or melancholic all the time like most of the fanarts. Everytime i commented asking, yo how's kraven in the comics actually? nobody answered, they seem to just jump the bandwagon of "Oh, kraven movie is being made, hurraaaaay". They could've at least make him like how they would do a Rambo is what i thought at the time --never knowing how Kraven is.
And i love that you mentioned dmc fanarts, because that is also what i think when i come accros the serious gloomy of em, i just "HAHA! DO YOU EVEN.. YOU FFFFFFFFFFF..". Another case is MCU fanart, especially the spiderman ones, gosh i shook my head one too many times, so damn dark.
But my main problem is, as a drawing enthusiast and hobbyist, this kinds of things gets on my nerves easily, like, maybe do some research before you get on it.
And oh, That second pic you displayed, is how i would be fine with a fanart of a character wearing such outfit called Kraven the hunter .
So in your opinion, Kraven fanart is to Kraven the character what Rambo 3 is to Rambo the character, then? Yes I am linking to Fact Fiend, because the video on Rambo just came out today. He's a pretty emotive and nuanced guy from what the comic showed. Maybe we'll see that instead of the usual MCU taint reducing villains to one-note caricatures (see: Whiplash).
I stay clear away from MCU Spidey fanart. I'm betting too much of it revolves around him dying to the Thanos Snap and something something Iron Man.
I actually prefer the first rambo movie, his character, the atmosphere and everything cinematic related in it. Never even bothered with the other two (and three i suppose). But the popular belief is that rambo is just that, one-note caricature of tough macho stoic silent dude bro war veteran like in the cartoons, can't help that, so i won't be mad if somebody made a fanart with that characteristic.
But at least the last Rambo movie was fine.
We're off topic btw.
Venom: 5 Characters Who Should Join Sony's Marvel Universe (& 5 Who Shouldn't)
There are many characters that deserve a place in Sony’s cinematic universe, as well as others that shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near it.
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I thought this was a good list but I disagree with some of their reasoning. I'd probably avoid options #1 but I'd use the others.
Yes even Steel Spider
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