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The flag issue

Does Ninja theory deserv to pay tribute to their country with flag on main character's jacket?


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I love how people who don't consider it a issue have over 10+ threads to discuss other things but instead come into this thread and say "I love how people find it a issue".

I agree.

Its pretty darn inconsiderate and rude to come into a thread and basically give off the impression that the people who think this is a issue's opinion is dumb and yours is better.

Easy way to start flame wars.

If you think this thread is dumb and has no purpose than simply ignore it.
 
I suppose his point was that since DmC Dante is a punk, the Union Jack flag perfectly fits his style. He just illustrated that with few examples. And as far as your "where and among who" is concerned, it could be many people from all over the world from different age groups. Don't tell me you thought that you'd get everyone's names and addresses! 'Cause that would be extremely weird :eek:
No, i meant where do people often wear union jack clothes in the world. And by what groups...

Why is this still an issue? Developers get to put any kind of refrence they want, as long as it doesn't get in the way of the game, which it doesn't, there is no reason to say 'They've earned it.' I've not heard a single complain on the Inception refrences so why is this one such a hot button?
I didn't notice your comment. The Inception is something i don't find a issue because Alex Jones said they would use other medias (movies) to influence DMC. So when i saw Inception i thought "Cool".
They said something, and followed it up. Perhaps their interpretation of what should influence DmC be wrong, but at least they were honest.
 
I love how people who don't consider it a issue have over 10+ threads to discuss other things but instead come into this thread and say "I love how people find it a issue".
Woah cooldemon wait a minute you asked us to put into this poll our opinions and asked whether or not we thought They had the right to put the flag on dante , which roughly translates to asking us if the flag was an issue , and just because we simply respond "no" you say that we should shut up?
 
Woah cooldemon wait a minute you asked us to put into this poll our opinions and asked whether or not we thought They had the right to put the flag on dante , which roughly translates to asking us if the flag was an issue , and just because we simply respond "no" you say that we should shut up?
Everyone can vote in poll. And everyone can post in this thread.

I initiated the thread with a huge post. I elaborated on my points.

And out of this huge post of mine:
PLEASE VOTE IN POLL

You guys know me - i dislike DmC and i dislike Tameem Antoniades more.
Capcom gave Dante to Ninja theory. I was ****ed off. I thought many bad things about Capcom, and more about Tameem Antoniades for making a character that's a copy of himself and labeling it "Dante".

Then i started to think about Hideki Kamiya, and that he was original creator of Dante. I thought Capcom had scammed Dante off Hideki (the character) after he left the company.

One person enlighteened me, and told me "Capcom paid Hideki to create Dante". And the feeling you have after you realize you've been a fool. For example you overreacted and got angry at someone, only to find out that what you did was stupid. And your overreaction was just you interpreting things wrongly. I felt that way. I thought "Capcom owns Dante...They own him". And with that all the things i thought of Capcom slipped out of my mind. No longer did i think Capcom is *insert bad word*. Because they rightfully own DMC and the character Dante.

Now a issue (of MANY!) i have with DmC is the flag on DmC Dante's jacket. Debating with others that DmC has a strong british standpoint i argumented for that if the flag's purpose is to pay tribute to Ninja theory's country, why did they not pay tribute to this same country in Heavenly sword or Enslaved? Why did they begin this "tribute" in DmC.
And i said if it's not a tribute then it arguments for that DmC is taking a british standpoint. Because although "punk" look or punk movement started in UK, i doubt that the punks around world wore jackets with british flag. Why would for example a dutch punk have a british flag on his jacket?

Others have argumented against me saying "Ninja theory wants to show they made DmC - that it's their work". I have replied back saying "Their logo is stamped on cover, and they are well known to be the developers who's making DmC". And Ninja theory wants to make the fact they have had a major role in DmC project why not use a ninja character than a british flag? Let's go into a scenario:
You don't know who Ninja theory is. You just know "Capcom made DmC", and your playing DmC. Then you see british flag on DmC Dante. Do you then think "British flag means UK, and UK means Ninja theory!". No, i highly doubt that - remember you don't know about Ninja theory. And if you know of Ninja theory or noticed them enough - then surely you would also know that they have had a major role in DmC - the game that your playing.

Getting to the point... Capcom has a major role in gameplay. Ninja theory in art, story and music. It's a collaboration - Ninja theory are alone on making DmC. On top of it Capcom is paying, YES, paying Ninja theory to make DmC for them. Just like how Hideki made DMC for Capcom.

So what gives Ninja theory who didn't pay any tribute to the country they are in any clear form in Enslaved or Heavenly sword, to do it in a game that's not made just by them, and also is rightfully Capcom's?
We saw in DmC gameplay footage at IGN that a car's license number was "DMC 5", the car was old and rusty. How would you interpret that as? That DMC 5 is dead? That DMC 5 is rusty and DmC is new and exciting?
Why do i bring this up? Because i believe they put the flag on DmC Dante because they simply liked to have it there, and not because of a more wise thought. And if i am wrong, and they had a wise thought process that punks wore jackets with union jack then doesn't that prove that Ninja theory is taking a british standpoint on DmC?



I get this reply back:
I love how some people actually consider this an issue. Why are we still arguing about something as insignificant as a flag on someone's clothes?

He asks "Why are you arguing about the flag?", the answer is in my huge post.
Obviously i am asking to much when i demand people to elaborate their thoughts/points.
 
He asks "Why are you arguing about the flag?", the answer is in my huge post.
Obviously i am asking to much when i demand people to elaborate their thoughts/points.

woah woah.

Demand?

I think it would be a better idea to simply ask instead of DEMAND anything.
 
woah woah.

Demand?

I think it would be a better idea to simply ask instead of DEMAND anything.
I guess that word was not appropriate to use. I did think twice before i did actually :p
But it's a positive thing to elaborate your points. But if people often elaborate their points it would save thread space.

I listen to people who elaborate their posts alot by the way.
 
I'm just going to duck out of here. It's obvious that I'm not well-liked and not welcome, and I'm not in the best of moods anyway.
 
It's obvious that I'm not well-liked and not welcome, and I'm not in the best of moods anyway.

Probably not a good idea to post in the first place when your in such a mood would you agree?

Not only does it ruin everyone else's fun when someone comes in a thread with a bad mood it also creates potential flame wars.

Its just not the right thing to do if you ask.
 
Probably not a good idea to post in the first place when your in such a mood would you agree?

Not only does it ruin everyone else's fun when someone comes in a thread with a bad mood it also creates potential flame wars.

Its just not the right thing to do if you ask.

Yeah. I'm sorry if I caused any arguments. No hard feelings, right?
 
I'm just going to duck out of here. It's obvious that I'm not well-liked and not welcome, and I'm not in the best of moods anyway.
I am sorry for making you feel that way, but really i would love to discuss anything with you as long as we're cool. And by cool i mean elaborate our points, discuss in a friendly matter and not proclaim our discussion as a argument :)

I don't understand? What exactly is your point? Why do you ask that?
My point is union jack clothes being worn by people in UK is probably very common. But if you live in USA which consists of 52 states, and live in one of them and say "Union jack clothes are a trend in USA" is generalizing without knowing the truth.
And in my first posts i have said that if the point of the union jack is to say "Dante is a punk so he has a punk clothing", then it proves that DmC has a british standpoint. Because surely it's not a common thing for punks across the world to go around wearing a punk clothing with union jack?
 
I am sorry for making you feel that way, but really i would love to discuss anything with you as long as we're cool. And by cool i mean elaborate our points, discuss in a friendly matter and not proclaim our discussion as a argument :)

Yeah. I'm glad you're cool with it. And it's not you who made me feel that way, I've just felt kind of jaded all day. I hope to discuss with you when I'm in a better mood.
 
@Cooldemon

Well, if I'm honest, I always(since the very first trailer) thought that this DmC has a British standpoint. When I saw the first trailer, I googled up for two things- Emo and punk. I found punk-style to be closer to this Dante and then read from wikipedia about punks and punk movement. NT being British, punk movement being British, all these said to me that this new 'westernized' form of Dante is British/British affiliated. The flag, if you think in a way I do, is another things which shows that. However, just-wearing-union-jack-doesn't-make-you-British stands undeniably true.
 
My point is union jack clothes being worn by people in UK is probably very common. But if you live in USA which consists of 52 states, and live in one of them and say "Union jack clothes are a trend in USA" is generalizing without knowing the truth.
And in my first posts i have said that if the point of the union jack is to say "Dante is a punk so he has a punk clothing", then it proves that DmC has a british standpoint. Because surely it's not a common thing for punks across the world to go around wearing a punk clothing with union jack?

You want places? Chicago, New York, areas in Wisconsin, parts of Florida (the parts I know of being Tampa and Clearwater), California, do I really need to go on and name things for every state I've been in? These are just parts of the "punk" group in the U.S. Guess what! It happens that the Union Jack is pretty popular in the punk movement around the entire globe (minus North Korea, sorry but with the way things are guarded there, I honestly can't see this happening there, though I would love to be proven wrong). It happens and it is pretty popular. Just because you don't see it in the area you are does not mean it's not there. AND IT'S NOT JUST FOR AMERICANS!
 
You want places? Chicago, New York, areas in Wisconsin, parts of Florida (the parts I know of being Tampa and Clearwater), California, do I really need to go on and name things for every state I've been in? These are just parts of the "punk" group in the U.S. Guess what! It happens that the Union Jack is pretty popular in the punk movement around the entire globe (minus North Korea, sorry but with the way things are guarded there, I honestly can't see this happening there, though I would love to be proven wrong). It happens and it is pretty popular. Just because you don't see it in the area you are does not mean it's not there. AND IT'S NOT JUST FOR AMERICANS!
I discuessed if it's a trend in most places in US. And if it's a trend in New York for example, do you OFTEN see a person with a union jack on his/her cloth?

And where is your proof of what your saying. Have you went to NEw york with a camera for 3 hours and recorded people walking in the street? Have you any proof other than what your saying?
 
I am not in New York at the moment, I lived in Chicago (I did see people often) and in Florida, where I live, I do see it often. One of my good friends down here wears Union Jack clothing all of the time, and he's actually Peruvian, not even British. Now, I will not post pictures, for obvious reasons, but if after all of this "evidence" that I have posted and others above, then I don't know what to tell you. It seems to be very misguided though
 
Dozens of girls in my school wear purses with union jacks on it, even though not members of punk community.
No, I won't take pictures of them (kinda weird)....it's yours to believe or not.
And I live in Croatia so I see no reason why people in US wouldn't know about that trend.
 
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