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Asmodaius said:
Why "should" there be British tributes in those games?
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Why should there be a tribute in DmC if there is none in Enslaved/Heavenly sword? If it was something that Ninja theory did with all their games - then it´s completely understandable.

If it´s not like that then their motives with the flag are questionable.

berto said:
British company. They make the game they get to put a british flag on D.
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They have influenced DmC by alot. Punk movement, three stances from their games, cinematic finishers.
Capcom is working with Ninja theory to make the game. They are working on the gameplay with Ninja theory. And looking at DMC 4 and comparing it to DmC one would be blind not to see that Capcom had a big role in gameplay.
And with that said if Capcom is doing work as well - then Ninja theory hasn´t made the game all by themself. Which makes the "Tribute to country" thing even more pointless.


Asmodaius said:
Exactly.
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Asmodaius said:
CoolDemon, you are overthinking these things. You're like a conspiracy theoretic.

"The flags! The FLAGS! The flags are everywhere! BEWARE THE FLAGS!!!"

It's just a flag. Calm down.
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The flag is only in DmC. That´s the funny part.
 
CoolDemon, you are talking crazy. And nitpicking. In the end of the day, it is just a flag on a jacket, nothing more, nothing less.
 
At the end of day this is what argumented for my crazy talk:
- No object or flag in Enslaved or Heavenly sword that gives a very clear assosciation or thought of UK . They didn´t do tributes in their own games but in DmC they decided "Let´s go for it".
- Capcom is collaborating with Ninja theory. Which makes the "Tribute" even more unecessary considering they aren´t making the game all by themself. DmC is not Ninja theorys game either.
- Why did Tameem look very like E3 Dante before DmC project and during the project. And why is his style so similar to punk - as in how Dante´s style is punk.
- Tameem also smokes and is british

The intention of "tribute to country" doesn´t seem so right with the points above.
 
CoolDemon said:
At the end of day this is what argumented for my crazy talk:
- No cleary object or flag in Enslaved or Heavenly sword that gives a very clear assosciation or thought of UK
- Capcom is collaborating with Ninja theory. Which makes the "Tribute" even more unecessary considering they aren´t making the game all by themself. DmC is not Ninja theorys game either.
- Why did Tameem look very like E3 Dante before DmC project and during the project. And why is his style so similar to punk - as in how Dante´s style is punk.
- Tameem also smokes and is british
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But you see... Neither of those things are important. They don't matter.
 
who's to say this isn't the first game that they decided to start making this tribute....guess what....2K put a reference to Pac-man in Bioshock..does that mean that EVERY game they make or made before has to have a tribute to Pac-man in it?
 
CoolDemon said:
Actually they do matter because you started discussing with him about Tameem similarties with E3 Dante.
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I tried to clear up some things. But apparently, you are ignoring it, or simply won't accept any explanation I can give you. And I HAVE given you an explanation, but you keep going at it. So what's the use?
 
Don´t it strike you two (GGC and ASmo) weird that the so called "Tribute to country" happens in DmC, but in Enslaved and Heavenly sword they haven´t done that. And also the fact that DmC is a collaboration project.
And then add to Tameem looking like E3 Dante even before DmC project, and during DmC interviews he looked the same.
 
Because it's not important. Maybe they just wanted to do so this time, to show that this game is not just a Capcom production. Maybe they just wanted to get noticed and recognized as co-developers of this Devil May Cry game. Maybe they just thought it fit Dante's new looks.

But weird? Nah, not really.
 
Asmodaius said:
Because it's not important. Maybe they just wanted to do so this time, to show that this game is not just a Capcom production. Maybe they just wanted to get noticed and recognized as co-developers of this Devil May Cry game. Maybe they just thought it fit Dante's new looks.

But weird? Nah, not really.
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1) They already recognized as developers of DmC. And Capcom is being put in shadow despite them helping with gameplay. So no recognition can´t be it.

2) The logo of Ninja theory that you can see in "Box art" thread in this forum shows that Ninja theory are working with the game. Infact MANY people know Ninja theory has big role in DmC other than gameplay. The fact that people have ranted proves that.


And point 3) They wanted to make the british flag fit Dante´s new looks right?
But i have already shown that they never did any tribute to their country with Enslaved and Heavenly sword. Two games they should be proud of - and shouldn´t they also be proud of their country, and if not include a tribute in first game (heavenly sword) at least include it in the second game right?

But they didn´t show tribute in none of the two games. And they did it in DmC - the collaboration project, and it´s a game that Capcom has rights to.

And since their motive to pay tribute to their country is questionable because they didn´t do that in any of their games, then what other reason could it be then?

Tameem having british heritage, lived up in UK, was probably a punk. Has looked like Dante (E3 periode, and before DmC project) , and had punkish style lately aswell.


But hey it´s just crazy talk apparently.
 
Asmodaius said:
Yup, that it is.
What is the answer you want from this, CoolDemon? And why is it so important to you?
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It´s important because we discuessed if the punk ideas of how Dante looks like Tameem comes from him.
And if the british flag is there for the punk style - then ask "Who suggested the punk theme?"

Tameem had E3 Dante hairstyle before DmC project, and also in the start as well. And we have lately see him with punk theme in his clothes, not to mention his hairstyle is kinda that way too.

So if Tameem has so much punk like things in his own looks then chances are he is one behind the Punk Theme of DmC. And he then suggested british flag on jacket. And then it ties the flag idea to Tameems thoughts. And it may look like a tribute to UK, but the fact we haven´t see tributes in their own two games, makes a tribute questionable.


But this is the end. Cya.
 
And why is it important to you to know specifically who suggested the punk themed looks for Dante?
And if it was Tameem, then so what?
If it was someone else... so what?

Why does it matter?
 
cooldemon do you know why they put a flag on dante and not their own characters? because this is THEIR VERSION of dante, it also fits his style, and its to pay homage to their company/a little easter egg to show people that this is THEIR VERSION of dante. they didn't have to put a little flag on their own characters because their own characters were not versions of other people's characters.
 
chocolateghost79 said:
cooldemon do you know why they put a flag on dante and not their own characters? because this is THEIR VERSION of dante, it also fits his style, and its to pay homage to their company/a little easter egg to show people that this is THEIR VERSION of dante. they didn't have to put a little flag on their own characters because their own characters were not versions of other people's characters.
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very well said :)
 
chocolateghost79 said:
cooldemon do you know why they put a flag on dante and not their own characters? because this is THEIR VERSION of dante, it also fits his style, and its to pay homage to their company/a little easter egg to show people that this is THEIR VERSION of dante. they didn't have to put a little flag on their own characters because their own characters were not versions of other people's characters.
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The logo of Ninja theory on cover of DmC shows that DmC and DmC Dante is their version of DMC and Dante. Paying homage to their own company is when you put a Ninja on the t shirt of Dante. Not when you put a flag on his jacket.

The flag is for UK not for Ninja theory even though Ninja theory is a british studio.
Like if you see the flag you won't think "Omg a union flag - that's Ninja theory!".

And only option left for why the flag is on jacket is because it's a punkish thing. But then it's something you can connect with Tameem looking like E3 Dante, Tameem smoking, is british and obviously is a punk type of person.

So in other words the british flag is most likely there because Tameem is british - not because they want to pay tribute to their country or say "This character is our version".

1) If you want to pay Tribute to your country - do it in your first game. If you forget, then do it in your second. And if you forget in second game as well then there is something wrong with you.

2) If you want to say "Hey this Dante is Ninja theory's version" you put up a Ninja on Dante's cloth not a british flag.


Enuff said.
 
Again, you're not making the rules, CoolDemon.
You keep going "They have to do it this way for it to be right.", but that's not up to you to decide.

They put the Union Jack, the British flag, on Dante's jacket as a hint to Ninja Theory.
Period.

You can like it or not, but that's what they did. That's the explanation. You can keep pondering about why and all, but it will be futile, because there are no other explanation.
 
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