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speculation on vergil in DMC4 SE?

I still hold to my believe that it's going to be flashback story. Specifically the story of how Yamato broke in two.
 
The only way I can see Vergil being alive in DMC 4 is as follows (theory incoming): As we know, Vergil was corrupted by Mundus in DMC 1, and fought Dante. After Nelo Angelo wad defeated, his body burned away in blue flames, meaning Vergil is dead. UNLESS...that wasn't his real body. DMC 4 shows souls can be put into suits of armor, so maybe Vergils soul was superimposed into an avatar to preserve his body incase of his demise. After the events of DMC 1, Mundus was sealed away, presumably along with Vergil's soul. A light novel exists where Vergil leads an uprising against Mundus (Devil May Cry Vol. 2, written by Shin Ya Goekeda). Vergil defeats Mundus and breaks his control over him, but is still sealed away. Somewhere along the line, Vergils soul ended up in Echidna's seeds and was absorbed into Nero's arm (according to capcom) and lays dorment... until Nero picks up yamato, and awakens vergil. 3 things could Happen from here. 1: Vergils soul is reunited with his body (which would have to be intact) 2: Nero's body is either possessed by Vergil, or his body is taken completely over and becomes vergil, or 3: Vergil is given a new body, an exact copy of his original. Boom. Vergil.
 
berto said:
I still hold to my believe that it's going to be flashback story. Specifically the story of how Yamato broke in two.
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I've got two theories about the breaking of yamato. The first is the most obvious: that yamato was broken when a weakened vergil was defeated by mundus, which would make sense since yamato is an incredibly powerful weapon, yet when vergil is enslaved as nelo angelo, he's sent to fight dante with a nameless sword, which wouldn't make a lot of sense unless yamato wasn't available. The second theory is that yamato carries some of vergil's pride, and after vergil's defeat the weapon was lost, and broke itself rather than suffer being used by whatever unworthy demon happened to find it
 
You could also assume that Yamato became altered also, not just Vergil. And when he broke free from Mundus' control, the armour and the sword broke too. Hence why if that sword was an altered Yamato it would make sense that the extreme force of Vergil breaking away from his corruption, was powerful enough to split the sword in two. Along with the Nelo Angelo armour which ended up as fragments.
 
berto said:
I still hold to my believe that it's going to be flashback story. Specifically the story of how Yamato broke in two.
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I don't think so, they need all the fan service they can get for DMC5 to sell well. Capcom isn't doing too good, and Vergil has helped them sell games before (UMvC3), so even if his resurrection is weird you can bet he will be back in DMC5. Then by extension if they have a campaign in DMC4SE for him it will probably be Vergil getting out of hell and a teaser leading up to DMC5. It would be crazy for them not to fan service up DMC5 so people will buy it on day 1, instead of being hesitant. THERE NEEDS to be a Vergil and Dante campaign in DMC5.
 
Kam said:
This is what I say to myself every time I begin to reply to you. But my willpower is weak, and I end up replying anyway. I don't know why, because this is the exact response I get from you every time. You never admit fault, you always just make a giant public display of "omg I literally can't even, you're soooo stupid I can't talk to you" and stomp off trailing reaction gifs and emote text in your wake, not one salient point or solid line of logic between your first post and your last.

How many times have you made a post exactly like the one you made just now? I've posted on these boards a lot, but I've lurked even more. Whenever you argue, either that type of post ends up happening, or the thread ends up locked, and I'm not even involved for most of those. You can keep blaming literally every person who ever disagrees with you, or you can ask yourself how much of the problem lies with you.

Anyway, derail over, back to the original point.


This is where I'm at too. Prior to the events of DMC3, vergil supposedly drops off the face of the earth for a whole year (and even before that, it's never specified exactly what he was doing). When he shows up again, there's just enough clues to conclude that how he behaves is more extreme than he normally is.

The theory is that vergil has a son somewhere within that one year gap, and the timeline would fit around that. Lady goes from being something like 15 to in her late 20s or 30s for DMC4, and nero is portrayed as a cocky teenager at around 16 or so. Dante is aware of vergil's actions prior to that one year of absence, and then vergil goes off and dies immediately after resurfacing. Since dante is unaware of nero's bloodline for most of DMC4 (sanctus even taunts his ignorance of this at one point) that one year gap has to be where nero is conceived.

Now here's where things get a little more speculative, so take everything past this line with a big grain of salt, unless I specifically mention it's canon

The theory is that vergil hooks up with a nice human, and actually starts to settle down into the role of happy dad, following in sparda's footsteps and seeing something worthwhile in a human. During this time with his guard down, he's attacked, the woman dies, and nero is lost, presumed by vergil to be dead (and later discovered by someone else who takes him to the doorstep of the order, as it states in nero's DMC4 bio). Vergil's inability to protect himself, his son, or this mystery lady push him over the edge, and the pain of losing a loved one is too much, to the point where he feels the only option is to rid himself of his weaker, feeling human half. This is why he goes on his rampage killing humans and seeking entry to the demon world; because he's done with being human, and wants to be as uncaring/unfeeling as a demon.

Additionally, you could also suggest that vergil's line at the top of the tower: "without strength you can't protect anything" isn't referring to dante's inability to protect himself, but a reflection of his own failure to protect nero and his mother.

Once again, highly speculative, but it would add some much needed depth to his character, so I like to believe it.

Oh, and also the origins of nero's arm. In his official bio, it states that nero is wounded in the shoulder by a mysterious demonic weapon (in the same fight where red queen is damaged and sent for repair) and at first he believes the wound to be infected or poisoned, but soon realizes his arm has transformed into a source of demonic power, and trains with it in secret. That much is canon.

More speculation here. So when powerful demons in the DMC universe die, their essence forms into a weapon bearing their name and some of their traits. Vergil is a powerful demon in the DMC universe. In the description of nero's injury, the demon is not wielding the devil bringer, but the derpy equivalent of a demonic pointed stick. Not that impressive, and obviously improvised, but still powerful enough to damage the red queen and wound nero. The speculation here is that Vergil, the weapon, retains some shreds of consciousness (or maybe pride is a better word?) and upon being found by a lesser demon, he refuses to awaken as a true weapon for something so unworthy of him. The weapon is still pretty good, even as an inert object to just swing around, but nowhere near its full potential. When "vergil" pierces nero, he comes in contact with his blood, and the weapon recognizes him as someone worthy, transferring himself inside of nero's arm and transforming it. Yamato has always been vergil's weapon, and when nero encounters it, yamato recognizes vergil's ownership and seeks out nero's arm, to reunite with its old master.

Nero has even described his arm as whispering to him, saying some very vergil-sounding stuff, and he can only access devil trigger while holding yamato. While in this state, an oversoul that looks a whole lot like vergil's demon form protects him (the arm mounted sheath is the most obvious feature) although the projection itself looks kind of dazed and not all there in the head.

There's other stuff, but that all stretches the bounds of reasonable speculation, even for me. Also this post has turned into a huge wall of text, so that can be for another time.
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''This is where I'm at too. Prior to the events of DMC3, vergil supposedly drops off the face of the earth for a whole year (and even before that, it's never specified exactly what he was doing). When he shows up again, there's just enough clues to conclude that how he behaves is more extreme than he normally is.''

There are? I mean, sorry to say this, but the manga isn't the same as the games. Most of the novels are accepted as non-canonical. DMC3 is technically the first time Vergil makes his appearance, so... more extreme than what?

''The theory is that vergil has a son somewhere within that one year gap, and the timeline would fit around that. Lady goes from being something like 15 to in her late 20s or 30s for DMC4, and nero is portrayed as a cocky teenager at around 16 or so. Dante is aware of vergil's actions prior to that one year of absence, and then vergil goes off and dies immediately after resurfacing. Since dante is unaware of nero's bloodline for most of DMC4 (sanctus even taunts his ignorance of this at one point) that one year gap has to be where nero is conceived.''

Lady was 19 in DMC3 just like Dante. Nero is (probably) 19 in DMC4 just like Dante was in DMC3. If Vergil had Nero when he was 18, and Dante (and therefore Vergil too) is ''around 30'' (as was literally said) in DMC4, that wouldn't fit. 18 (Vergil) + 19 (Nero) = 37. Dante doesn't seem unaware of who Nero is to me (otherwise why wouldn't he be more surprised or look for answers?), but I guess it's up to interpretation. As for Sanctus taunting his ignorance, didn't see any of that. He does assume that Dante was 'outwitted' because he didn't expect Nero, but who can say that that's true? Considering the Savior needed to be destroyed from the inside as well as the outside, Nero's appearance was pretty convenient.

''Additionally, you could also suggest that vergil's line at the top of the tower: "without strength you can't protect anything" isn't referring to dante's inability to protect himself, but a reflection of his own failure to protect nero and his mother.''

I would agree that Vergil isn't referring to Dante. After all, if Vergil thinks power is needed mainly to protect things, and he has nothing to protect, then why would he himself need or desire power? I don't know about him hooking up with a human, though. He seems not to care about humans much, and he finds their physical weakness a big problem. He probably believes that Sparda's loss of demonic power was what got Eva killed - that, and Eva's own lack of strength.

The DB was still only intended as a gimmick (albeit a very nice one), and it was intended for Dante. Right now, I'm not sure Capcom even knows what it is, or what it should and shouldn't do.
Yes, like the DMC4 booklet said, Nero defended Kyrie in Mitis Forest, and was slashed on the shoulder, which caused his arm to morph into something that looks exactly like a Devil Trigger arm to me. It's possible Nero's DB is a partial Devil Trigger, and that could explain why he says it 'drives him crazy'. Nowhere in the game is it implied that Vergil is inside his arm (though it is implied he's connected to the Yamato somehow, or the Yamato simply acts power-hungry of its own accord). We also don't know if half-human souls like Vergil & Dante's can turn into Devil Arms. Not saying it's impossible though.
I still think he heard Vergil's voice (probably coming from the Yamato in Agnus's lab, which was close by) because he awakened some of his demonic power. That outburst of power caused Vergil's soul to notice Nero and to be able to cry out, though obviously he couldn't do anything besides float around in Agnus's force field.
Nero never said he heard the voice echo ''power'' when he was fighting the demons in Mitis Forest, or that he got his wish for more power -- all he said is that 'from that day forward, my arm changed and a voice echoed ''power''', which is pretty threadbare info. For all we know, the 'voice' could just be Nero's demonic side. I guess he simply wanted more power, and got some kind of partial, permanent Devil Trigger because he's only 1/4 demon. Or maybe the arm is just something a 1/4 demon could get... I dunno how Capcom will decide it works. It could be that he doesn't even have his own DT yet, since Vergil's soul acts (mostly) as his DT. I say mostly because Vergil never had a halo attached to his shoulders like Nero's DT does, and it has a pretty different body.

Ergh... anyway, we just don't know yet. All I know is that the teaser for DMC4 SE shows a Vergil that looks about as old as Dante in DMC4, therefore if DMC4 SE has an extra story, it takes place either shortly before or after DMC4. That could mean Vergil didn't die in DMC1, he was simply freed from Mundus's control and escaped the island somehow. That said, maybe Capcom's just making him look older 'because they can' or something. No idea. We really don't know anything right now.
 
Lord Nero said:
This is where I'm at too. Prior to the events of DMC3, vergil supposedly drops off the face of the earth for a whole year (and even before that, it's never specified exactly what he was doing). When he shows up again, there's just enough clues to conclude that how he behaves is more extreme than he normally is.

There are? I mean, sorry to say this, but the manga isn't the same as the games. Most of the novels are accepted as non-canonical. DMC3 is technically the first time Vergil makes his appearance, so... more extreme than what?

The theory is that vergil has a son somewhere within that one year gap, and the timeline would fit around that. Lady goes from being something like 15 to in her late 20s or 30s for DMC4, and nero is portrayed as a cocky teenager at around 16 or so. Dante is aware of vergil's actions prior to that one year of absence, and then vergil goes off and dies immediately after resurfacing. Since dante is unaware of nero's bloodline for most of DMC4 (sanctus even taunts his ignorance of this at one point) that one year gap has to be where nero is conceived.

Lady was 19 in DMC3 just like Dante. Nero is (probably) 19 in DMC4 just like Dante was in DMC3. If Vergil had Nero when he was 18, and Dante (and therefore Vergil too) is ''around 30'' (as was literally said) in DMC4, that wouldn't fit. 18 (Vergil) + 19 (Nero) = 37. Dante doesn't seem unaware of who Nero is to me (otherwise why wouldn't he be more surprised or look for answers?), but I guess it's up to interpretation. As for Sanctus taunting his ignorance, didn't see any of that. He does assume that Dante was 'outwitted' because he didn't expect Nero, but who can say that that's true? Considering the Savior needed to be destroyed from the inside as well as the outside, Nero's appearance was pretty convenient.

Additionally, you could also suggest that vergil's line at the top of the tower: "without strength you can't protect anything" isn't referring to dante's inability to protect himself, but a reflection of his own failure to protect nero and his mother.

I would agree that Vergil isn't referring to Dante. After all, if Vergil thinks power is needed mainly to protect things, and he has nothing to protect, then why would he himself need or desire power? I don't know about him hooking up with a human, though. He seems not to care about humans much, and he finds their physical weakness a big problem. He probably believes that Sparda's loss of demonic power was what got Eva killed - that, and Eva's own lack of strength.

The DB was still only intended as a gimmick (albeit a very nice one), and it was intended for Dante. Right now, I'm not sure Capcom even knows what it is, or what it should and shouldn't do.
Yes, like the DMC4 booklet said, Nero defended Kyrie in Mitis Forest, and was slashed on the shoulder, which caused his arm to morph into something that looks exactly like a Devil Trigger arm to me. It's possible Nero's DB is a partial Devil Trigger, and that could explain why he says it 'drives him crazy'. Nowhere in the game is it implied that Vergil is inside his arm (though it is implied he's connected to the Yamato somehow, or the Yamato simply acts power-hungry of its own accord). We also don't know if half-human souls like Vergil & Dante's can turn into Devil Arms. Not saying it's impossible though.
I still think he heard Vergil's voice (probably coming from the Yamato in Agnus's lab, which was close by) because he awakened some of his demonic power. That outburst of power caused Vergil's soul to notice Nero and to be able to cry out, though obviously he couldn't do anything besides float around in Agnus's force field.
Nero never said he heard the voice echo ''power'' when he was fighting the demons in Mitis Forest, or that he got his wish for more power -- all he said is that 'from that day forward, my arm changed and a voice echoed ''power''', which is pretty threadbare info. For all we know, the 'voice' could just be Nero's demonic side. I guess he simply wanted more power, and got some kind of partial, permanent Devil Trigger because he's only 1/4 demon. Or maybe the arm is just something a 1/4 demon could get... I dunno how Capcom will decide it works. It could be that he doesn't even have his own DT yet, since Vergil's soul acts (mostly) as his DT. I say mostly because Vergil never had a halo attached to his shoulders like Nero's DT does, and it has a pretty different body.

Ergh... anyway, we just don't know yet. All I know is that the teaser for DMC4 SE shows a Vergil that looks about as old as Dante in DMC4, therefore if DMC4 SE has an extra story, it takes place either shortly before or after DMC4. That could mean Vergil didn't die in DMC1, he was simply freed from Mundus's control and escaped the island somehow. That said, maybe Capcom's just making him look older 'because they can' or something. No idea. We really don't know anything right now.
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Prior to the events of DMC3, dante doesn't feel the urge to kill vergil, let alone following him into hell to do so. From this, it's safe to say that what vergil does in DMC3 is much more inexcusable to dante than what he's done in the past. Considering vergil wipes out an entire city full of humans for dante to arrive at this decision, I don't find it hard to believe.

In DMC4, dante is aware of sanctus's shady intent, but his plan to foil the awakening of the savior is ruined because nero carries the blood of sparda and can serve as a replacement power source. Sanctus even taunts him in-game for not realizing this earlier.

I'm confused what you're saying around the age here. I say that their ages should be "around 30" to fit, and you counter by saying "no, they must be at least 37, therefore it doesn't fit!" ... so, 37 is not around 30? Help me out here, what exactly are you trying to say? Because even stretching their ages out a bit to help your case, your math still adds up to support my theory, which is obviously not what you were trying to do

Yes, vergil as he is in DMC3 doesn't seem the type to care for a human, or invest in power to protect one. That's why I was speaking hypothetically about what happened before he became that way, to explain why he became that way. As far as character tropes go, it's not unheard of for a character that cared too much to try and bury their humanity by becoming an unfeeling, murderous monster

As far as this "threadbare" connection between vergil and nero's devil bringer:
- the devil bringer repairs yamato, and nero is almost never seen holding it in his human hand
- the devil bringer looks like vergil's arm in DT
- in DT, vergil's entire body hovers over nero, while nero's devil bringer glows brightly. Even restyled, vergil's arm sheath is extremely distinct. As you attack, vergil's oversoul performs attacks with yamato to mimick your own
- after you acquire yamato, when you max-act certain attacks, nero's attack lines become vergil's lines, and even his voice changes to sound like vergil. Try a level 3 with any of the attacks that require lockon, particularly "blast" and "begone", and compare to when vergil says these exact same things. Nero has his own voice normally, so I find it really weird that they swap out voice actors just to say these few words, especially if he supposedly has no connection to vergil
 
Lord Nero said:
As for Sanctus taunting his ignorance, didn't see any of that. He does assume that Dante was 'outwitted' because he didn't expect Nero, but who can say that that's true? Considering the Savior needed to be destroyed from the inside as well as the outside, Nero's appearance was pretty convenient.
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i think of that as the savior could have been destroyed from the outside until Nero was absorbed because then it's had Sparda's blood to power it
otherwise why didn't the savior use any of its other attacks aside from it's fist during the first Sanctus fight
 
Kam said:
Prior to the events of DMC3, dante doesn't feel the urge to kill vergil, let alone following him into hell to do so. From this, it's safe to say that what vergil does in DMC3 is much more inexcusable to dante than what he's done in the past. Considering vergil wipes out an entire city full of humans for dante to arrive at this decision, I don't find it hard to believe.

In DMC4, dante is aware of sanctus's shady intent, but his plan to foil the awakening of the savior is ruined because nero carries the blood of sparda and can serve as a replacement power source. Sanctus even taunts him in-game for not realizing this earlier.

I'm confused what you're saying around the age here. I say that their ages should be "around 30" to fit, and you counter by saying "no, they must be at least 37, therefore it doesn't fit!" ... so, 37 is not around 30? Help me out here, what exactly are you trying to say? Because even stretching their ages out a bit to help your case, your math still adds up to support my theory, which is obviously not what you were trying to do

Yes, vergil as he is in DMC3 doesn't seem the type to care for a human, or invest in power to protect one. That's why I was speaking hypothetically about what happened before he became that way, to explain why he became that way. As far as character tropes go, it's not unheard of for a character that cared too much to try and bury their humanity by becoming an unfeeling, murderous monster

As far as this "threadbare" connection between vergil and nero's devil bringer:
- the devil bringer repairs yamato, and nero is almost never seen holding it in his human hand
- the devil bringer looks like vergil's arm in DT
- in DT, vergil's entire body hovers over nero, while nero's devil bringer glows brightly. Even restyled, vergil's arm sheath is extremely distinct. As you attack, vergil's oversoul performs attacks with yamato to mimick your own
- after you acquire yamato, when you max-act certain attacks, nero's attack lines become vergil's lines, and even his voice changes to sound like vergil. Try a level 3 with any of the attacks that require lockon, particularly "blast" and "begone", and compare to when vergil says these exact same things. Nero has his own voice normally, so I find it really weird that they swap out voice actors just to say these few words, especially if he supposedly has no connection to vergil
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Fair enough. Never said I found it hard to believe though, I think. Just that the games are different from the novels.

Yeah, but Dante also seemed to do it on purpose, to me. Would he need to let Nero get absorbed? He seemed to have time to stop it, and who says it wasn't Dante's plan to awaken the Savior? Sanctus was only *assuming* that Dante wanted to stop the Savior before it even started working, but we have no evidence of that. In fact, Dante seems very calculating about the whole thing, he never even replies angrily to Sanctus, he just looks really content with himself.

I'm saying Itsuno (I think it was him) said that DMC4 takes place around ten years after DMC3. If Dante was 19 in DMC3, then Dante must be 29 to 33 years old in DMC4. If he were 37, that would make it more like 'almost twenty years after DMC3'. As far as I know, Nero is just 19 in DMC4 like Dante was in DMC3. So if you're saying Vergil had Nero when he was 18, Vergil (and therefore Dante) would have to be 37 in DMC4. But like I said, that contradicts what Itsuno said as well as how Dante and Lady look (they look 30 to me).

- Who says the Devil Bringer repaired the Yamato? Who says it wasn't Nero's demonic power (which is indeed mainly housed in his DB) that did it? Who says Dante couldn't potentially restore the Yamato if he wanted to? For all we know, anyone from Sparda's bloodline could restore it.

- No, the Devil Bringer does not look like Vergil's arm in DT. Neither the DB nor the artwork of Nero's full Devil Trigger (the one they had to replace with the blue specter) look like Vergil. In fact, the blue floating DT thing looks nothing like Vergil, nor like Nero Angelo. For one, NA & Vergil didn't have a halo attached to their shoulders, didn't have the same horns, and didn't have the same body and face. The only thing that looks like Vergil to me, is the sheath for the Yamato. But then, how do we know the sheath is exclusive to Vergil? It could just be that the DT allows anyone from the Sparda bloodline to receive a sheath.

- Only it doesn't look like Vergil's DT body at all. It does look like the artwork of Nero's old DT. Nero's DB glowing doesn't mean anything, it just means that Nero's using his demonic power to the full extent. It fades when he loses energy.

- I didn't hear Vergil's voice in Nero's attacks, but Nero does use his 'catchphrases' for lack of a better term, and gets a demonic background voice along with his normal voice. I'm not disagreeing with you, Vergil is probably inside the Yamato, helping Nero out in DT. But I don't think Vergil necessarily has anything to do with Nero's DB arm.

I'm just saying we have no idea what's the deal. We could invent all kinds of theories, but I'm personally tired of it. I'd be willing to wait for DMC4 SE to explain it, and if not, DMC5.

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i think of that as the savior could have been destroyed from the outside until Nero was absorbed because then it's had Sparda's blood to power it
otherwise why didn't the savior use any of its other attacks aside from it's fist during the first Sanctus fight
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True, but then we still don't know if Dante wanted to destroy it before anything happened. Meh, I don't know.
 
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splitting hairs all over the place here.
"It wasn't the devil bringer, it was nero using the devil bringer"
"It doesn't look like vergil, it just has the same face, colors, and arm-grown sheath for yamato but I'm sure that's a common thing. His shoulders are definitely different though"

Also when you attack in DT, the oversoul blatantly uses vergil's attacks for many of your own. Rapid slash is one of the most obvious, as it's one of the animations that hasn't been changed at all
 
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Vergil wasnt dead the whole time. He has been in hiding waiting to come back and kick some ass. Hopefully thankful to dante for releasing him from mundus he goes to find dante and join forces . Maybe anti hero of some sorts . But before all that he goes in search for his most valuable belonging. The yamato!.. he finds nero and obviously nero wouldnt hand the yamato over to some stranger so a fight breaks out. Vergil wipes the floor with nero and beats the hell out of him. He then pins him upright against a wall with a summoned sword. Then unleashed dozens of them into his hanging body to completely subdue him. The yamato hears vergils call and starts to glow blue and float towards vergil,who grabs it and sheathes it. Vergil leaves nero im search of more competition.
camera pans back to nero. Barely recognisable with all the blood . He then opens his eyes which are glowing purple and the devil arm pulse ates and grows untill it covers his whole body . His wings free him from the wall he is pinned to and then collapses with the red queen in hand
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I have a very interesting theory that when Vergil fought Mundus in DMC 3 and lost! I think that at the last moment he sealed his soul in his Yamato and once Mundus reprogrammed him and altered his consciousness and appearance to that of Nero Angelo<(no that was not a typo) and then was defeated by Dante...released his from the trapped big sword which Nero Angelo had which was Yamato power manifested. Once Vergil released himself from Mundus control and fought Dante and lost....that gave Vergil even more control of himself and broke his control on Mundus, and released his soul that was trapped inside Yamato which snapped and therefore brought his soul back into his body! However we never truly saw him die....

I believe that the Order found Vergil when they traveled through the hell gates and found him unconscious, took him back to headquarters and had Agnus tried to use him to power his Angelo's but was unsuccessful, so Verigils Yamato was used as a medium to balance the soul trapped into the Armory and the armor itself.

Here's my prediction for the next DMC 5 game....

Now that the Order has been dissasembled and the leaders have been killed, and set Vergil free from their control! I believe Kyrie finds Vergil hidden deep within the headquarters.

Vergil will not only be ****ed off with both Humans and Demons and he's going to look for his sword and upon escaping and exacting his revenge. But Vergils going to need Yamato back and he will run into Nero and take it from him, and once he does he will try to kill like he did Dante, but will fail because Dante is close by and he feels a familiar energy signature which sends his Devil Trigger haywire and leads him back to the Head quarters where he witnesses Nero and Vergil fighting from afar. Vergil recognizes a familiar energy signature and notices a shadow rushing behind him really fast and dodges him only to be countered and pinned down by Dante.

want me to continue
 
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Go on, looks interesting.
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Dante pins Vergil down and places his sword upon his head as a warning! However Vergil summons his swords and attacks Dante from behind. This prompts Dante to partially Devil Trigger to protect his spine from the barrage of summon sword unbleached upon him, but Vergil being smart that his is decides to give Dante a point blank blow of his swords in hopes of knocking him back, but Dante counters it with Dreadnaught. Vergil goes into Devil Trigger only this form looks different and calls on Yamato which materializes out of Nero arm...Nero looks on and witnesses Vergil raw power blows Dante away from him and has this frightened look to him! Nero tries to go into Devil Trigger but it doesn't work and goes unto the offense and shoots barrages of bullets, and attacks Vergil with the Red Queen but the sword can't penetrate his hard exterior...however he notices a cold feeling in his stomach and sees Yamato plunged into him, so he punches Vergil in the face with his Devil Bringer but it has no effect. Vergil makes a remark as to how foolish he is and knocks him on the floor stabbing his Devil Bringer Arm to which turns normal and then stabs him in his chest. Nero has a powerful feeling all of a sudden come over him and Vergil tells Nero, that only the Yamato can bring out a Devils true power...Nero's eye's begin to glow red and he says "Power...give me mOAR POWER" to which Vergil knocks him out..."Sleep well little Devil". Dante looks at Vergil and takes out Rebellion and they lock swords...they both smile of course and continue their barrage of strikes at each other and their evenly matched, but neither can subdue one another and they continue to attack each other which sends energy waves flying cracking windows and splitting the concrete floor beneath them! Each blow they take throws electricity which distorts their environment and onlooking demons flee as quick as possible. Trish sees the distorted clouds a mile away from Fortuna Castle and rushes quickly to investigate on what's going on! She Devil triggers and speed blitzes past onlookers and arrives only to see Vergil alive in front of her, and fighting Dante. Trish unsheathes Sparda but sees Nero lie in a pool of his own blood, she picks him of the floor and carries him on her shoulder, and takes off blitzing past broken buildings, running up walls to cover long distances and get's him as far away from the fight and puts a green star on his chest to which heals his wounds, but Nero lies unconscious although he starts to breath, and there's a pulse as he opens his eyes for a moment and they glow faintly but closes them again. Trish takes Nero to Devils Never Cry and kicks in the door, only to have Lady rush downstairs! Trish asks Lady to look after Nero and help him recuperate and then runs out again.

Shall I continue some moor?
 
DanteSparda08 said:
Dante pins Vergil down and places his sword upon his head as a warning! However Vergil summons his swords and attacks Dante from behind. This prompts Dante to partially Devil Trigger to protect his spine from the barrage of summon sword unbleached upon him, but Vergil being smart that his is decides to give Dante a point blank blow of his swords in hopes of knocking him back, but Dante counters it with Dreadnaught. Vergil goes into Devil Trigger only this form looks different and calls on Yamato which materializes out of Nero arm...Nero looks on and witnesses Vergil raw power blows Dante away from him and has this frightened look to him! Nero tries to go into Devil Trigger but it doesn't work and goes unto the offense and shoots barrages of bullets, and attacks Vergil with the Red Queen but the sword can't penetrate his hard exterior...however he notices a cold feeling in his stomach and sees Yamato plunged into him, so he punches Vergil in the face with his Devil Bringer but it has no effect. Vergil makes a remark as to how foolish he is and knocks him on the floor stabbing his Devil Bringer Arm to which turns normal and then stabs him in his chest. Nero has a powerful feeling all of a sudden come over him and Vergil tells Nero, that only the Yamato can bring out a Devils true power...Nero's eye's begin to glow red and he says "Power...give me mOAR POWER" to which Vergil knocks him out..."Sleep well little Devil". Dante looks at Vergil and takes out Rebellion and they lock swords...they both smile of course and continue their barrage of strikes at each other and their evenly matched, but neither can subdue one another and they continue to attack each other which sends energy waves flying cracking windows and splitting the concrete floor beneath them! Each blow they take throws electricity which distorts their environment and onlooking demons flee as quick as possible. Trish sees the distorted clouds a mile away from Fortuna Castle and rushes quickly to investigate on what's going on! She Devil triggers and speed blitzes past onlookers and arrives only to see Vergil alive in front of her, and fighting Dante. Trish unsheathes Sparda but sees Nero lie in a pool of his own blood, she picks him of the floor and carries him on her shoulder, and takes off blitzing past broken buildings, running up walls to cover long distances and get's him as far away from the fight and puts a green star on his chest to which heals his wounds, but Nero lies unconscious although he starts to breath, and there's a pulse as he opens his eyes for a moment and they glow faintly but closes them again. Trish takes Nero to Devils Never Cry and kicks in the door, only to have Lady rush downstairs! Trish asks Lady to look after Nero and help him recuperate and then runs out again.

Shall I continue some moor?
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Looks an epic fight, the one between Vergil and Dante. At this point, man, just go to the fanfic section and continue there ;)
 
When Nelo Angelo is defeated, the white light looks like the souls of the demons that Dante defeats in his fights (Devil arms) and then the camera focuses on Dante (we can't see what really happen in that precise moment, plus no Vergil body ) . Perhaps, a half demon can be a devil arms when it's defeated, and Nero's arm it's in fact, Vergil transformed into a devil arm after he was defeated as Nelo Angelo.

Nero doesn't have that arm since birth, and he only awakens his devil trigger recently when he finds Yamato, which recognise Vergil soul in Nero's arm and fixes itself. When Nero listen that voice saying: "Power, give me more power" , perhaps it's Vergil trying to obtain the necessary amount of power from Nero for take a physical form again, and for that, he needs that Nero becomes stronger.


But who knows, I hope DMC4 SE give us some answers.
 
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nephlim god said:
I reli hope hes not the arm :/
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But if he was alive after DMC1 , why it's Yamato broken and in the Order headquarters? and why would be Vergil in hell after he was defeated as Nelo Angelo if the fight between he and Dante wasn't there? He had time to retrieve his sword and he didn't do it, and the Vergil in hell argument doesn't make sense.
 
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