speculation on vergil in DMC4 SE?

[DarkSlayerZero]

A journey to fight Mundus can't happen because Mundus is literally right in front of him.

 

[Foxtrot94]

A journey to fight Mundus can't happen because Mundus is literally right in front of him.

Well, the DMC3 cutscene shows Vergil running towards the three sparking spots above in the... "sky"... and that's it. They could make it so that Mundus lives in another level of the Demon World, different from the one Vergil was when he recovered from the falling, and that those sparking spots are just a "projection" of Mundus, and not Mundus himself.

 

[DarkSlayerZero]

Actually you're right because I remember in DMC1 even though he was in the underworld, he could still use his 3 eye form to communicate when his body was somewhere else.

 

[Gel]

Hmm, I guess wouldn't work out well because:
- DMC 2 is Lucia's story, so Lucia is irreplaceable. ( I'm just mention this since a lot of people want Lucia substituted by someone else.Without Lucia, there is no DMC2.
- Dante is replaying Sparda's role in the past: he is there to help that clan and fight side by side with their priestess, against the evil once again, just like Sparda did.Even so Dante is only Lucia's sidekick here.
-None of the other characters are relevant enough to be placed in this story.They have no meaning for Lucia, Matier or their clan;Vergil and Nero would only be relevant to Sparda and Dante, Lady wasn't even conceptualized at this point and Trish is only relevant in DMC because of Dante , she is meaningless to all the other characters.

About a DMC2 remake: sometime ago Gregaman said it was out question to do that.Capcom doesn't want to.

 

[scionicspectre]

Why do I want to forget DMC 2 so badly? After all, without it we might not have gotten Trickster, bidirectional gunplay, and rainstorm, all of which lead to the eventual innovation of Styles. Oh, and don't forget multiple playable characters and quick weapon switching beginning here. As much as I hate to admit it, DMC 2 did contribute to the series as a whole, at least when it came to tweaking the gameplay. Of course, it was a huge step back in many areas, too.

Anyway, back on topic. I still stick to my 'speculation' that Vergil is just going to be an alternate character with no missions of his own. As such, I doubt he would get substantial story, but the quality of the model they showed could mean one of three things.

1. It's a cutscene-fidelity model and Vergil will appear in the story in some way.
2. All in-game models have been improved to this level.
3. It's only promotional artwork, and could simply be an edited image of the in-game model (although there is evidence otherwise)

I'm personally hoping for 1 and/or 2, since it would be really good news.

 

[absolitude]

@absolitude
I think they did talk about doing a Vergil spinoff or a Lady centered one before deciding on Nero plus DMC4 could be counted as a spinoff since it focused on Nero rather than Dante.

I think they might consider a spinoff be too much off a risk cause of finances and backlash but another way to do a spinoff would be for them to redo DMC2 from the perspective of another character like Vergil, Nero or Trish instead Dante getting involved with Dumary Island and Lucia versus arius.

now that you've mentioned it, dante did felt more like a cameo or watching nero's development, or instructor, preparing nero for the role dante used to be.. sure felt like he's planning to retire..

- Nero: getting to explore more of his past, and to know how he got the Devil Bringer

i'd rather see nero continued as a succesor to run the dmc agency.. since if did felt like it was what dante is doing on 4

Anyway, back on topic. I still stick to my 'speculation' that Vergil is just going to be an alternate character with no missions of his own. As such, I doubt he would get substantial story, but the quality of the model they showed could mean one of three things.

1. It's a cutscene-fidelity model and Vergil will appear in the story in some way.
2. All in-game models have been improved to this level.
3. It's only promotional artwork, and could simply be an edited image of the in-game model (although there is evidence otherwise)

I'm personally hoping for 1 and/or 2, since it would be really good news.

that's seriously suicidal for capcom, after what went on with releasing DmC (being realistic, some fans hated it, i loved it to the bones), capcom would really want to make up for it

 

[scionicspectre]

that's seriously suicidal for capcom, after what went on with releasing DmC (being realistic, some fans hated it, i loved it to the bones), capcom would really want to make up for it

Hah, as if. I honestly have no idea where all of this is coming from- I mean, Devil May Cry 3: Special Edition added Bloody Palace, playable Vergil, two cutscenes, a new boss, and tweaked lower difficulty modes. Vergil was already a team mate a la Doppleganger in Mission 19, so much of the code to get him working was already present in the game, not to mention his boss fights filling in his moveset.

So, arguably, including Vergil as a playable character at all in DMC 4: SE is more work than it was before, even if it is just a copy and paste of his previous moveset with a new model in the new engine. So, there are two ways to look at this- one is that, "oh hey, they're already doing more work than they did on DMC 3: SE, maybe they'll really polish it up", or the more realistic, "they've already got so much work to do just putting in Vergil- I doubt we'll see much more than that."

I'm not sure if it's suicidal, considering how many enhanced versions of games people are buying right now that only have some graphical refinements and DLC included. For DMC 4: SE, I doubt Capcom feels any obligation or fear. While I would definitely like to have some awesome expanded content, I certainly don't expect it, and I won't hate Capcom for not doing it since I don't feel like they owe that to me. I completely understand if this is just a basic rerelease- I'm actually happy that they're adding any features at all compared to the PC version. We've already gotten more than we should expect.

 

[absolitude]

i don't know man, still feels suicidal, if it was only skin i don't think they only use vergil as promotional teaser -and put it at the end of DmC DE trailer at that too.. they would just release a whole trailer if skin was the only thing about vergil, oh yes, if it were like that fans would've gone eff youuuuu capcom!

and as far as i know, DMC was the franchise with the most controversy produced after the reboot, i've even thought myself that the real dante fanboys as the worst ever in gaming history -no offends you guys, seriously, if you look at it from my point of.. ah, nevermind - capcom would've noticed this and least, hopefully, probably, and help me god they will do the best for the current gen release.. that's just crazy of them if they dont give a whole new content.. and this is not about capcom respecting their customers, more about capcom loosing customers with DmC, surely they want em back.. only to release DmC to later on, lol.. *seriously fine with that moi..

and btw, anybody excited with the game maybe enhanced with dx12? feast for the eye, yummmm

 

[Foxtrot94]

Indeed they risk a lot with the SE, and it is kinda suicidal to tease such many fans, only to give us a skin and that's it. They had a huge backlash with DmC, they know they can't take chances now.

 

[absolitude]

Indeed they risk a lot with the SE, and it is kinda suicidal to tease such many fans, only to give us a skin and that's it. They had a huge backlash with DmC, they know that can't take chances now.

a company's purpose is to make money, and capcom is loosing significant numbers from one of their hot franchise, they'll want them back or drop the franchise, which is very unlikely..

 

[nephlim god]

Being pessimistic is the best way to avoid disapointment but i do think the SE will be a great game . Theres so many ways they could bring vergil back to life (if indeed he is dead dead!) and give him some missions which will be worth every penny to a dmc fan . Because lets face it everbody loves a bit of vergil. If i get that and some new weapons for nero and a new costume for dante then i will be very happy

 

[Foxtrot94]

everbody loves a bit of vergil

Wow that sounds... nasty.
LOL

 

[nephlim god]

Sounds dodgy eii mate aha my bad

 

[absolitude]

Being pessimistic is the best way to avoid disapointment but i do think the SE will be a great game . Theres so many ways they could bring vergil back to life (if indeed he is dead dead!) and give him some missions which will be worth every penny to a dmc fan . Because lets face it everbody loves a bit of vergil. If i get that and some new weapons for nero and a new costume for dante then i will be very happy

yep, like when i watched denzel washington's equalizer, whoaa, cool movie, didnt expect that at all.. but unfortunately i'm an optimist, and fortunately, i dont get disappointed badly..

 

[Demi-fiend]

I get disappointed rather easily...

 

[V's patron]

 

[nephlim god]

Maybe vergil will have a short campaign where it follows the fight between him and dante in dmc1. And a teaser for dmc 5 !

 

[Kam]

if vergil is suddenly finding room in the game, I'm suspecting this whole "nero is/isn't vergil's son" debate is going to be resolved at last.

My top tier, impossible dream best case scenario for the special edition is dante gets his half of the game finished (instead of backtracking nero's game) and his weaker weapons/styles get a balance fix, nero gets some backstory fleshed out by vergil, who is a playable character, oh and they dial Lady down on the skank-meter a little bit.

 

[absolitude]

Maybe vergil will have a short campaign where it follows the fight between him and dante in dmc1. And a teaser for dmc 5 !

it is the closest to the timeline.. could be, and the teaser for dmc 5 --oh come on not with teaser again, it's excrutiatingly painful

if vergil is suddenly finding room in the game, I'm suspecting this whole "nero is/isn't vergil's son" debate is going to be resolved at last.

My top tier, impossible dream best case scenario for the special edition is dante gets his half of the game finished (instead of backtracking nero's game) and his weaker weapons/styles get a balance fix, nero gets some backstory fleshed out by vergil, who is a playable character, oh and they dial Lady down on the skank-meter a little bit.

nero is actually vergil's lost soul thrown out of the underworld for some reason, he just hasn't realised it yet, DMC4 SE will trigger it where his memories will all return, lolololololol..

oh, come on now, lady isn't skanky, just looking more anime-ish, .. hmmmmmm, yes, we want the DMC 3 lady back..

 

[Foxtrot94]

Not me, no. I want DMC4 Lady, yes yes (boobies).

Besides, DMC3 Lady was anime-ish too... just look at her Japanese school girl outfit xD