Tony_Redgrave
TimeLord Detective
I (want to) believe, that one can be a fan of both DMC and DmC. Why can't one do that? (According to your opnion.)
Parallel Universe
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I guess to me being a fan of something means that you like something like a tv show etc enough to recommend to someone else.
For example, I am not a fan of twilight since I can't recommend it to anyone for reading pleasure.
@angel- I'm not getting the question as you could mean something entirely different.please specify what you mean.
For example, I am not a fan of twilight since I can't recommend it to anyone for reading pleasure.
@angel- I'm not getting the question as you could mean something entirely different.please specify what you mean.
Who are you to decide what I am fan of and what I'm not a fan of?
You can't even begin to comprehend what I like or do not like.
It is because of comments like these that makes me deem you as ignorant!
CoolDemon
X will never be Y
You don't have to play DmC to know that it's gameplay is gonna be pretty much the same as DMC.
And Asomo likes the character of DmC.
He dislikes the story of DMC even ignoring DMC 1s story.
Pale Rider
Wickedly good
The most sensible (& acceptable) thing said here this far. Of course, in my opinion.
ToCool74
"Fair" DmC Skeptic
Again, HOW can he like something that has not been released yet better than a product that he has already experienced first hand?
This question was actually directed at you and Asmo but you really did not give me a definite answer so hopefully Asmo can clear this up.
I am NOT ignoring anything! Where the f*ck did you get that from?!
Sorry Tony, but all his crap is really starting to get to me...
CoolDemon
X will never be Y
I based what i said on how i see you on this forum. And here is quote:
You even talk about DmC Dante as if it's DMC Dante. And just like Ninja theory your trying to sneak in that DmC Dante is actually DMC Dante.
Tony_Redgrave
TimeLord Detective
Ok then I'll lock the thread for afew hours and see how you deal with all this after you have calmed down - Asmo I'm not talking to you, it's to everyone.
Angel
Is not rat, is hamster
And because I can still post (LAWL) I'll just stop writing gibberish and re-ask my questions (it's been a loooong day):
First: How are people within this thread defining the word "fan" when they respond? Just to get some idea of why there may be such volatile responses - if we're not all meaning the same thing then that could be the cause of some of the friction perhaps?
Second: Why can someone not like two games equally which are similar (within the context of what CoolDemon means by similar)?
EDIT: Just to clarify, I'm not being argumentative or trolling anyone - genuine interest only here
First: How are people within this thread defining the word "fan" when they respond? Just to get some idea of why there may be such volatile responses - if we're not all meaning the same thing then that could be the cause of some of the friction perhaps?
Second: Why can someone not like two games equally which are similar (within the context of what CoolDemon means by similar)?
EDIT: Just to clarify, I'm not being argumentative or trolling anyone - genuine interest only here
Tony_Redgrave
TimeLord Detective
Ok guys, I'm re-opening the thread. Just a few things:
First of all, the word that started all this, Fan: A fan, sometimes also called aficionado or supporter, is a person with a liking and enthusiasm for something, such as a band or a sports team. Fans of a particular thing or person constitute its fanbase or fandom. They may show their enthusiasm by being a member of a fan-club, holding fan conversations, creating fanzines writing fan-mail or by promoting the object of their interest and attention. (info taken by wikipedia)
So, where does that lead us? We all here are members of a Devil May Cry Forum - in other words a fan club. In this forum we have fan conversations, we post our fan-fictions and fan-art. The mere existance of this forum, helps to promote the whole franchise of the world of Devil May Cry and everything associated with it. That includes games, books, novels, movies, figurines, anime, manga and everything related with that world. ANYTHING. Therefore, what does that make us according to wikipedia? Fans. Yes, we are all fans according to the (somewhat) official definition of the word fan.
However, is it that simple? No. Fans may like the same thing but for completely different reasons. Since it is a large franchise concisting of a large number of stuff, it is rather impossible for everyone to like all of them. Every book/novel/etc. gives off a different feeling because it was (excluding all the obvious differences like how different a book is to a game, and what does it give to each of us etc.), written/directed/etc. by different people and therefore it has some differences. As each new thing, can't completely produce the exact same feelings, that the original produced, but only a part of them with a mix of new stuff, it is natural, that each new part of the franchise whether it's a new game or a new book, will satisfy some fans, upset some other fans and also produce some new fans. Are we ok up until now? I hope yes
Conclusion: Each part of the franchise has its own number of fans. Some of those people like every different, tiny, little part of the franchise, others only like one. But, all of them remain Devil May Cry fans in their own way.
DmC, IS a part of the Devil May Cry franchise. It is almost completely different than the previous games, it has a new world, a new backstory and new characters. But it's called Devil May Cry as well. Whether it's a reboot/a story in a parallel universe/a story in the same universe with some other Dante/or whatever, it is still a part of the franchise. If one is a Fan of the old games is not a fan of the new game(s), does that mean he is not a fan of the Devil May Cry franchise? No. Why? Because as I said before -> "As each new thing, can't completely produce the exact same feelings, that the original produced, but only a part of them with a mix of new stuff, it is natural, that each new part of the franchise whether it's a new game or a new book, will satisfy some fans, upset some other fans and also produce some new fans."
EXACTLY the same goes for any variation of the word Fan.
If someone only likes Devil May Cry because he/she read one of the novels, does that make her/him less of a Fan? No.
If someone likes the new DmC does that mean he cannot like/be a fan the other parts of the franchise? No.
We are people. We all have opinions. Each of us is different. Same for our opinions. And same for our decisions. Fan is something we decide for ourselves to be. Something that we proclaim therefore we are. No one else can decide what we are, no one else can label us - and even if she or he does, it does not matter. We are who we are, and we decide what we want to be. If I say I'm a fan of Batman, then I'm a fan of Batman. Does that mean I can't be a fan of Robin? Or of other versions of Batman? No. It only means what I said. I'm a Batman-fan, simple as that. If someone knows more about Batman than me does that make him more of a fan? No. Being a fan cannot be measured. We just are or aren't. And we are the ones to decide that. No one else.
I hope we cleared the Fan thing - omg being a fan is serious bussiness.. - so let's go elsewhere.
CoolDemon
You said:
I know you and Asmo probably disagree about everything, but than does not give you ANY reason to decide what another member will or will not say. We are a forum open for discussion. Just as anyone reads your posts and discusses/agrees/disagrees with you, the same goes for every other member. If you do not like him. IGNORE HIM. Read how here: http://forums.devilmaycry.org/threads/alternative-to-ignore.9272/
After that, you said:
There is no TRUE FAN, BETTER FAN, LESSER FAN, etc. I explained this above. We are all fans. No more. No less. For example some people do not like Devil May Cry 2 and like every other DMC-stuff, even DmC. They are fans. Same as you. You don't like DmC. Your opinion, your deal. However you cannot decide who is true and who is not. Let each member decide for himself/herself, as they let you.
Then you said:
Ok, that's how YOU see it and I respect that. However that is your point of view. It is not the absolute meaning of a fan. I gave the meaning above.
And also, something completely different. In all the threads, your posts create some sort of misunderstandings that lead the thread COMPLETELY ASTRAY. It is not the first that has happened. This thread is titled Parallel Universe, and to be completely honest with you sir, I had to scroll up and read it, because it could very well be titled "The Meaning of the True DMC-Fan". The last time, you did (not on purpose - and right now I'm not accusing you or anything, so do not take this the bad way) the same, and made a thread's meaning change from the original one, to something like "Why I do not like the new DmC. Reasons and Explanation. by CoolDemon". Please, try and be on topic.
Asmodaius
You said:
I understand your frustration, however the rules say:
Therefore, please kindly try and control yourself. I understand that the whole thing started from nothing and you were getting angrier and more annoyed because of your disagreements with CoolDemon and the fact that he kept missing the point of what you said, but if you are about to post something like that, better not post it at all. It contributes nothing to the conversation, and could very well have bad results. If you really can't stand CoolDemon, then ignore him, in the same manner I proposed to him, to ignore you: http://forums.devilmaycry.org/threads/alternative-to-ignore.9272/
FatDemon
You said:
Sir, this is the best post in this page, with the most truth in it. I take my hat off to you.
It took a long of my time to write all of this, and frankly I do not care, because I felt I had to, but I hope that you guys will chill out and discuss like proper members. I know you are all awesome, and can be way better than this, so please do
Don't make me lock this permanently.
*thread unlocked*
First of all, the word that started all this, Fan: A fan, sometimes also called aficionado or supporter, is a person with a liking and enthusiasm for something, such as a band or a sports team. Fans of a particular thing or person constitute its fanbase or fandom. They may show their enthusiasm by being a member of a fan-club, holding fan conversations, creating fanzines writing fan-mail or by promoting the object of their interest and attention. (info taken by wikipedia)
So, where does that lead us? We all here are members of a Devil May Cry Forum - in other words a fan club. In this forum we have fan conversations, we post our fan-fictions and fan-art. The mere existance of this forum, helps to promote the whole franchise of the world of Devil May Cry and everything associated with it. That includes games, books, novels, movies, figurines, anime, manga and everything related with that world. ANYTHING. Therefore, what does that make us according to wikipedia? Fans. Yes, we are all fans according to the (somewhat) official definition of the word fan.
However, is it that simple? No. Fans may like the same thing but for completely different reasons. Since it is a large franchise concisting of a large number of stuff, it is rather impossible for everyone to like all of them. Every book/novel/etc. gives off a different feeling because it was (excluding all the obvious differences like how different a book is to a game, and what does it give to each of us etc.), written/directed/etc. by different people and therefore it has some differences. As each new thing, can't completely produce the exact same feelings, that the original produced, but only a part of them with a mix of new stuff, it is natural, that each new part of the franchise whether it's a new game or a new book, will satisfy some fans, upset some other fans and also produce some new fans. Are we ok up until now? I hope yes
Conclusion: Each part of the franchise has its own number of fans. Some of those people like every different, tiny, little part of the franchise, others only like one. But, all of them remain Devil May Cry fans in their own way.
DmC, IS a part of the Devil May Cry franchise. It is almost completely different than the previous games, it has a new world, a new backstory and new characters. But it's called Devil May Cry as well. Whether it's a reboot/a story in a parallel universe/a story in the same universe with some other Dante/or whatever, it is still a part of the franchise. If one is a Fan of the old games is not a fan of the new game(s), does that mean he is not a fan of the Devil May Cry franchise? No. Why? Because as I said before -> "As each new thing, can't completely produce the exact same feelings, that the original produced, but only a part of them with a mix of new stuff, it is natural, that each new part of the franchise whether it's a new game or a new book, will satisfy some fans, upset some other fans and also produce some new fans."
EXACTLY the same goes for any variation of the word Fan.
If someone only likes Devil May Cry because he/she read one of the novels, does that make her/him less of a Fan? No.
If someone likes the new DmC does that mean he cannot like/be a fan the other parts of the franchise? No.
We are people. We all have opinions. Each of us is different. Same for our opinions. And same for our decisions. Fan is something we decide for ourselves to be. Something that we proclaim therefore we are. No one else can decide what we are, no one else can label us - and even if she or he does, it does not matter. We are who we are, and we decide what we want to be. If I say I'm a fan of Batman, then I'm a fan of Batman. Does that mean I can't be a fan of Robin? Or of other versions of Batman? No. It only means what I said. I'm a Batman-fan, simple as that. If someone knows more about Batman than me does that make him more of a fan? No. Being a fan cannot be measured. We just are or aren't. And we are the ones to decide that. No one else.
I hope we cleared the Fan thing - omg being a fan is serious bussiness.. - so let's go elsewhere.
CoolDemon
You said:
I know you and Asmo probably disagree about everything, but than does not give you ANY reason to decide what another member will or will not say. We are a forum open for discussion. Just as anyone reads your posts and discusses/agrees/disagrees with you, the same goes for every other member. If you do not like him. IGNORE HIM. Read how here: http://forums.devilmaycry.org/threads/alternative-to-ignore.9272/
After that, you said:
There is no TRUE FAN, BETTER FAN, LESSER FAN, etc. I explained this above. We are all fans. No more. No less. For example some people do not like Devil May Cry 2 and like every other DMC-stuff, even DmC. They are fans. Same as you. You don't like DmC. Your opinion, your deal. However you cannot decide who is true and who is not. Let each member decide for himself/herself, as they let you.
Then you said:
Ok, that's how YOU see it and I respect that. However that is your point of view. It is not the absolute meaning of a fan. I gave the meaning above.
And also, something completely different. In all the threads, your posts create some sort of misunderstandings that lead the thread COMPLETELY ASTRAY. It is not the first that has happened. This thread is titled Parallel Universe, and to be completely honest with you sir, I had to scroll up and read it, because it could very well be titled "The Meaning of the True DMC-Fan". The last time, you did (not on purpose - and right now I'm not accusing you or anything, so do not take this the bad way) the same, and made a thread's meaning change from the original one, to something like "Why I do not like the new DmC. Reasons and Explanation. by CoolDemon". Please, try and be on topic.
Asmodaius
You said:
I understand your frustration, however the rules say:
Therefore, please kindly try and control yourself. I understand that the whole thing started from nothing and you were getting angrier and more annoyed because of your disagreements with CoolDemon and the fact that he kept missing the point of what you said, but if you are about to post something like that, better not post it at all. It contributes nothing to the conversation, and could very well have bad results. If you really can't stand CoolDemon, then ignore him, in the same manner I proposed to him, to ignore you: http://forums.devilmaycry.org/threads/alternative-to-ignore.9272/
FatDemon
You said:
Sir, this is the best post in this page, with the most truth in it. I take my hat off to you.
It took a long of my time to write all of this, and frankly I do not care, because I felt I had to, but I hope that you guys will chill out and discuss like proper members. I know you are all awesome, and can be way better than this, so please do
Don't make me lock this permanently.
*thread unlocked*
Tony_Redgrave
TimeLord Detective
Shall I merge the two threads?
Tony_Redgrave
TimeLord Detective
Sure thing. I'll re-post the part of my post that had to do with fans there as well, leaving all the other stuff, so we can continue there.
After all this thread is about Parallel universes, and I'd really like for it to return to that
After all this thread is about Parallel universes, and I'd really like for it to return to that
Pale Rider
Wickedly good
To be on topic, this parallel universe does sound like their final attempt to please the angrier fans. I feel like they now understand that not caring for the fans can be troublesome.
Well, it's hard to care about a fanbase who doesn't care back. I have yet to see a fan say something positive about Capcom.
darkslayer13
Enma Katana no Kami
Capcom actually said that DmC was not part of the original canon right after the first DmC trailer. some of the things Capcom and ninja theory have said later have confused the issue but if you think about it most of the things they called DmC ("Reboot" "Re-imagining" "Parallel Universe" etc.) all mean the same thing. it's just that the inability to decide what word to use to describe it made it seem like they were changing what DmC was going to be was when all they were doing is trying to explain it in a way that would make the fans feel better about the idea.
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