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Ninja Theory's working on SOMETHING...

Innsmouth said:
http://www.computerandvideogames.co...-we-made-no-money-on-ps3-with-heavenly-sword/
They basically complain about not getting enough money for 1,5 millions and wanting to put HS on Xbox, despite agreement with Sony. IT's pretty much reason why HS2 never happened.
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Where in there did he out right blame Sony? All Tameem is saying is that sales didn't go well with HS what with so many Xbox 360 consoles people had at that time. He didn't blame nor complain in saying it was even Sony's fault.
 
We have to remember something about NT.
No one hated them because they were amateur.
A lot of people hated them because they were amateur AND working on a series that's highly regarded for not being amateur.
(Supporters of this game, feel free to take this as a white flag of sorts, but note I'm still a skeptic)
I didn't want to admit the following detail until last night when my little sister broke my copy of the game to get me mad (Don't worry, justice was served).
Is that part of the reason I dislike this game is BECAUSE it's good, and because of NT's track record to that point.
No matter how much I try to enjoy it, I have a little voice in my head screaming about
"What!? This shouldn't be good. This developer isn't that good with combat! It must be hiding something! My gosh, it's Dead Space all over again! I must find the gimmick causing me to play!" ( I had that feeling with Dead Space because of EA)

I know this sounds stupid, but here's how I see it. When it comes to media, once we notice the trend, we set certain expectations, such as:
  • Adam Sandler isn't funny
  • Hugh Jackman is the most memorable thing in every movie he is in, because Hugh Jackman
  • Michael Bay movies are testosterone fueled popcorn flicks, full of misogyny and explosions.
  • Stallone and Schwarzenegger can never be taken seriously.
  • Nickelback can't make good music
  • EA and Activision can't make good games.
  • Call of Duty is boring and un-innovative

At the same time:
  • Hotel Transylvania
  • Not a single thing in Happy Feet is memorable
  • The new TMNT looks to have significantly less explosions than usual
  • Stallone was not only serious in the Rocky movies, but in First Blood Part 1, was pretty good at silent acting. Same goes for Arnold in the first 2 Terminators
  • "Burn it to the Ground was actually pretty decent.
  • As said above, Dead Space, and as said below,
  • While Call of Duty tends to be un-innovative and broken. From what I recall playing of them, if you got the right people to play with, or just got a bunch of friends to join the same game. It's extremely fun to just play to be able to trash talk like you were in high school while shooting everything in front of you

Regardless, the all but one of the cliches above (I grew up on 80s media, Sly and Arnold are in the clear), are still freaking laser-burned into my mind. And I have to think into it to remind myself they aren't true
In my eyes, the same went for DmC

So now that NT is working on something else, it should be interesting to see reactions and what not
 
DragonMaster2010 said:
Where in there did he out right blame Sony? All Tameem is saying is that sales didn't go well with HS what with so many Xbox 360 consoles people had at that time. He didn't blame nor complain in saying it was even Sony's fault.
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I think it's wrong on his accord to blame exclusivity for poor income. 1,5 mil can't be considered bad sales for entirely new IP. So I can assume they overestimated overall costs and used to much money. In the end instead of admit it and try to achieve better balance, they wanted to ditch Sony and went multiplatform, which led to cancelation of HS2, which is a damn shame, because it had many potential.
 
Innsmouth said:
I think it's wrong on his accord to blame exclusivity for poor income. 1,5 mil can't be considered bad sales for entirely new IP. So I can assume they overestimated overall costs and used to much money. In the end instead of admit it and try to achieve better balance, they wanted to ditch Sony and went multiplatform, which led to cancelation of HS2, which is a damn shame, because it had many potential.
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But that had nothing to do with Tameem outright saying "It's Sony's fault that HS didn't sell well" like you're saying. And I don't think they ditched Sony, but rather simply broke ties with sony exclusively. There are still PS3 versions of their games and it's safe to assume that HS isn't entirely gone what with the HS movie coming out. (I think)
 
DragonMaster2010 said:
But that had nothing to do with Tameem outright saying "It's Sony's fault that HS didn't sell well" like you're saying. And I don't think they ditched Sony, but rather simply broke ties with sony exclusively. There are still PS3 versions of their games and it's safe to assume that HS isn't entirely gone what with the HS movie coming out. (I think)
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I dunno, because IP belongs to sony. So i assume they had some deal before it. But from the look of it, Nt attempted to double back on this deal and this is how it ended. While it's not necessary badmouthing, they certainly put the strain on their relationship with sony
 
I like the music a lot.
But if it IS DmC 2, ( I know, Tech Demo) then the dude in the top hat could be Vergil.
Hue
 
I'm hoping Alex Garland returns to work on the story since Enslaved was my favorite story so far.
 
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I just don't get NT's obsession with Unreal Engine! :D


I saw one or two videos of what UE 4 can do, and am glad to say, I'm mighty impressed. I hope if there's a game they are working on, they do release it for PC.
 
Pale Rider said:
I just don't get NT's obsession with Unreal Engine! :D


I saw one or two videos of what UE 4 can do, and am glad to say, I'm mighty impressed. I hope if there's a game they are working on, they do release it for PC.
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Dunno if it's true or not, but i heard UE is most universal engine and very easy to use across all platforms.
 
DmC...is dead...end of story...NT isn't going to revisit the property. nor should they. ****. after a dickshit ton of angry fans threatened, attacked, and did everythign in their power to shun my game, i'd leave. NT is done with devil may cry. the admins might as well shut down the DmC threads. nobody gives a **** anymore. its dead. so just let it die in peace
 
Jak said:
DmC...is dead...end of story...NT isn't going to revisit the property. nor should they. ****. after a dickshit ton of angry fans threatened, attacked, and did everythign in their power to shun my game, i'd leave. NT is done with devil may cry. the admins might as well shut down the DmC threads. nobody gives a **** anymore. its dead. so just let it die in peace
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NT may not go back to DmC, but that sure as hell doesn't mean I'm gonna just kneel over and accept whatever Capcom give to me. DmC was my favorite in the series and if they decide to end it there and go back to the original, why should I (or we in this case) bother with the next DMC5 anyway? Personally, I'd just sit back and watch how DMC5 turns out before I have any faith. If it's good (by DMC fanboy standards) good on them, that's just another game I'll skip. If not then it's just Capcom's fault. Simple.
 
DragonMaster2010 said:
NT may not go back to DmC, but that sure as hell doesn't mean I'm gonna just kneel over and accept whatever Capcom give to me. DmC was my favorite in the series and if they decide to end it there and go back to the original, why should I (or we in this case) bother with the next DMC5 anyway? Personally, I'd just sit back and watch how DMC5 turns out before I have any faith. If it's good (by DMC fanboy standards) good on them, that's just another game I'll skip. If not then it's just Capcom's fault. Simple.
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And that's why imo DmC killed franchise. No matter what released next DmC or DMC, other side gonna boycott it and it most likely gonna flop. After that Capcom most likely canns whole franchise like they did with Megaman and Darkstalkers and that would be pretty much it.
 
Innsmouth said:
http://www.computerandvideogames.co...-we-made-no-money-on-ps3-with-heavenly-sword/
They basically complain about not getting enough money for 1,5 millions and wanting to put HS on Xbox, despite agreement with Sony. IT's pretty much reason why HS2 never happened.
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Um, they basically don't. Because this is commenting on why Enslaved was a multi-platform game and simply stating the fact that was the p!ss poor PS3 market in the early years of that console.

Context. Is. Important. Pay attention to what you're reading for Godzilla sake.

What he is saying is true. Back when the PS3 launched it was ridiculous. $600 for a console was not worth it whatsoever and that's why X-box 360 dominated the PS3 in the beginning practically rubbing their faces in dirt.

So wanting to expand your games to multiple platforms is just common sense especially when it was a launch exclusive on the ailing PS3 basically no one bought.

I know I and many others had a 360 a good 4 years before I even considered a PS3. It wasn't until later Sony got their sh!t together and made it worth buying.
 
mrrandomlulz said:
We have to remember something about NT.
No one hated them because they were amateur.
A lot of people hated them because they were amateur AND working on a series that's highly regarded for not being amateur.
(Supporters of this game, feel free to take this as a white flag of sorts, but note I'm still a skeptic)
I didn't want to admit the following detail until last night when my little sister broke my copy of the game to get me mad (Don't worry, justice was served).
Is that part of the reason I dislike this game is BECAUSE it's good, and because of NT's track record to that point.
No matter how much I try to enjoy it, I have a little voice in my head screaming about
"What!? This shouldn't be good. This developer isn't that good with combat! It must be hiding something! My gosh, it's Dead Space all over again! I must find the gimmick causing me to play!" ( I had that feeling with Dead Space because of EA)

I know this sounds stupid, but here's how I see it. When it comes to media, once we notice the trend, we set certain expectations, such as:
  • Adam Sandler isn't funny
  • Hugh Jackman is the most memorable thing in every movie he is in, because Hugh Jackman
  • Michael Bay movies are testosterone fueled popcorn flicks, full of misogyny and explosions.
  • Stallone and Schwarzenegger can never be taken seriously.
  • Nickelback can't make good music
  • EA and Activision can't make good games.
  • Call of Duty is boring and un-innovative

At the same time:
  • Hotel Transylvania
  • Not a single thing in Happy Feet is memorable
  • The new TMNT looks to have significantly less explosions than usual
  • Stallone was not only serious in the Rocky movies, but in First Blood Part 1, was pretty good at silent acting. Same goes for Arnold in the first 2 Terminators
  • "Burn it to the Ground was actually pretty decent.
  • As said above, Dead Space, and as said below,
  • While Call of Duty tends to be un-innovative and broken. From what I recall playing of them, if you got the right people to play with, or just got a bunch of friends to join the same game. It's extremely fun to just play to be able to trash talk like you were in high school while shooting everything in front of you

Regardless, the all but one of the cliches above (I grew up on 80s media, Sly and Arnold are in the clear), are still freaking laser-burned into my mind. And I have to think into it to remind myself they aren't true
In my eyes, the same went for DmC

So now that NT is working on something else, it should be interesting to see reactions and what not
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The new TMNT movie still looks like garbage made by two terrible film makers and starring a dumb bad actress as April sh!tting on my beloved turtle franchise.

And no. Nickelback is still one of the most terrible and overrated modern rock bands. I would think their only decent song was "How You Remind Me" which was before they hit mainstream, sold out, and became nothing but an adolescent and terrible rock band that have no respect for the art of music.

It's an enigma that one of the most unoriginal, trite, and adolescent rock bands ever is so popular. Also how Chad Kroeger is a total d0uchebag that totally admits to not caring about any music they put out as long as it sells and caters to the trash that is somehow popular. They have took most rap and put it in to rock with songs like "Something in Your Mouth". Because reducing women to nothing but your BJ machines is what sounds good. :meh:

So don't ever say anything by Nickelback is good. Do you understand?
 
Chancey289 said:
Um, they basically don't. Because this is commenting on why Enslaved was a multi-platform game and simply stating the fact that was the p!ss poor PS3 market in the early years of that console.

Context. Is. Important. Pay attention to what you're reading for Godzilla sake.

What he is saying is true. Back when the PS3 launched it was ridiculous. $600 for a console was not worth it whatsoever and that's why X-box 360 dominated the PS3 in the beginning practically rubbing their faces in dirt.

So wanting to expand your games to multiple platforms is just common sense especially when it was a launch exclusive on the ailing PS3 basically no one bought.

I know I and many others had a 360 a good 4 years before I even considered a PS3. It wasn't until later Sony got their sh!t together and made it worth buying.
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IT's all irrelevant.
1. No matter what, 1,2 Millions copies is very good sales for new IP, which doesn't belong to FPS genre and not that long. So I can't imagine by how much they overestimated resources to not make any money. + any developer gets extra money for exclusivity.
2. If IP belongs Sony, Sony isn't obliged to gift it to all other first-parties and HS IP belongs to sony. So saying that it should go multiplatform is pretty absurd.
3. I dunno why I typed it all, since I'm pretty sure you gonna argue about it and there won't be middle ground anyway.
 
Innsmouth said:
IT's all irrelevant.
1. No matter what, 1,2 Millions copies is very good sales for new IP, which doesn't belong to FPS genre and not that long. So I can't imagine by how much they overestimated resources to not make any money. + any developer gets extra money for exclusivity.
2. If IP belongs Sony, Sony isn't obliged to gift it to all other first-parties and HS IP belongs to sony. So saying that it should go multiplatform is pretty absurd.
3. I dunno why I typed it all, since I'm pretty sure you gonna argue about it and there won't be middle ground anyway.
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I did not say anything about HS going multi-platform. Where did I say that?

This is what I mean, read before you type and don't go putting words in my mouth.

And video games are also like movies. 1.5 million is only a good profit if that's enough money made back after you've spent the money developing it. And considering people like Andy Serkis was involved when it came to motion capture which must have cost a pretty penny 1.5 million for alongside an ailing console launch performance isn't very good at all.



Heavenly Sword was one of the games on the launch line up and the kind of game to show off what the PS3 was capable of. It had a good bit of demands to meet and simply failed in the process.
 
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