Ninja Theory on DMC reboot: "we're not pretending we're Japanese, or apologising for it"

[CoolDemon]

I loved DMC 4, and a reboot wasn't needed but it gave new chances for a newer studio and the series. Mind you all, three different studios (including Ninja Theory) are working on DmC, Ninja Theory is just the face.

Capcom, Ninja theory, and who's the third?

 

[Vezild]

They talk about DmC Dante as if it's DMC Dante by saying "the changes to Dante". DmC is a new character so he's not been changed, he's been created.

Well look at it this way: this Dante is the old Dante but changed. Sure, they are not the same exact person, but in a way they are the same.

 

[CoolDemon]

Well look at it this way: this Dante is the old Dante but changed. Sure, they are not the same exact person, but in a way they are the same.

If i accept that, then i must accept that Venom and Spiderman are the same:

I don't find it logically that two different character with similarities are the same character.
If i look past the angel half of NT's Dante, and the theory that his hair comes from demon powers, then i can look past Nero or Venom's names, and say "They are Dante and Spiderman".

 

[Vezild]

But-uhh--Spiderman and Venom ARE different in way too many ways to be called the same. Dante and Dante, though--as far as we can tell--have swords and guns. Either that, or they're hinting that DmC might in fact replace the original series.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

You forget... This isn't heavenly sword or Enslaved. Ninja and Capcom are cons.

ONE word Get an RPG game -_-" stop bugging me that DMC had crap story it doesn't need that

and NT has to prove themselves first no one can hit a jackpot at in one shot aside from art direction the gameplay is just DMC4's dante and nero meshed no denying that !

But-uhh--Spiderman and Venom ARE different in way too many ways to be called the same. Dante and Dante, though--as far as we can tell--have swords and guns. Either that, or they're hinting that DmC might in fact replace the original series.

There are too many spidermans but they aren't called same "Spiderman" they have different names

HE IS DANTE I AM NOT DENYING THAT but he should get his own exclusive name by now he is not plain dante he is DanteX

 

[Sparda's rejected son]

What does Dante have to do with Spiderman?

 

[Tony_Redgrave]

@ Donte. I merged your posts. If you want to add something, use the edit button, do not double post.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

What does Dante have to do with Spiderman?

Its just an example to show that all spidermans have unique names like scarlett spiderman noir but they all aren't called by the same name like this DanteX is

@Tony sorry when i was replying i thought this was different thread

 

[ImPoSsSibLe to CaTcH]

But-uhh--Spiderman and Venom ARE different in way too many ways to be called the same. Dante and Dante, though--as far as we can tell--have swords and guns. Either that, or they're hinting that DmC might in fact replace the original series.

Well at first they said that it was canon specifically Alex said that this is the same Dante just younger no one believed him of course because he didn't look and act like Dante now they moved the game as a parallel dimension when asked if DMC will ever continue capcom replied it depends on D*C... or something like that anyway they hinted something.... and i think it's about time we all realize it D*C is planed to replace Devil May Cry permanently that's the truth.

 

[Tiran]

Its just an example to show that all spidermans have unique names like scarlett spiderman noir but they all aren't called by the same name like this DanteX is

@Tony sorry when i was replying i thought this was different thread

The different spider-men are called different names because they have or do exist in the same continuum, multiverse or universe, they need different names. Adam Wests' batman is just batman just as Tim Burton's batman (who's parent's were actually slain by the joker) is Batman, Just as Christopher Nolan's batman (who was trained by Ra's Al Ghul) Is STILL Batman. His joker is painted, not acid washed, he has become the new standard for comic book villains portrayed in film. The original hulk was grey, they changed his color to green. He was the product of exposure to the gamma bomb only. Ang Lee's hulk was the result of Nano medic cell's overreacting in his body whenever Bruce got agitated. Bill Bixby's t.v. show Banner was changed to David instead of Bruce- but he was still the hulk. Batman used to shoot his enemies dead with a gun in his early days... Spider-man originally had mechanical web shooters now, sometimes, they are organic. Wolverine's claws ended up being bone covered with adamantium, and all of these character's underwent cosmetic changes in their different incarnations. That's just a very small example...

Yes, this Dante is 'different'. So, what? We've had Four freaking games to dick around with to this point, only half of them were actually great, that's a fifty percent error rate. This was bound to happen. Think of this as 'Dante- universe 212.'

 

[ROCKMAN X]

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Yes, this Dante is 'different'. So, what? We've had Four freaking games to **** around with to this point, only half of them were actually great, that's a fifty percent error rate. This was bound to happen. Think of this as 'Dante- universe 212.'

LOL

They are same damn batman's !! movies follow the same batman with little bit tweaked differences they aren't enough to make them different like i said original dante is north pole and DanteX is south pole

only half of them were actually great, that's a fifty percent error rate that's your biased bigoted view i can't help i've enjoyed all of them they had ups and down but didn't really needed a reboot it just needed Platinum games or some great dev to clear the mess and make one epic DMC5

This was bound to happen ?? NOPE its just Capcom's laziness We fan's will make them realise this by not buying this cr@p

 

[Tony_Redgrave]

In a way it was bound to happen.

I don't know about you guys but when I first bought DMC2, (and I wasn't late I assure you, took me maybe a month after its release) I had already stumbled on articles about DMC3 showing us a young version of Dante etc. Meaning that at least then, they had some plan.

After DMC3, the only plan was the Devil Bringer - which would originally be used by Dante in a PS2 DMC4. However according to them, the DB mechanics weren't supported by the PS2 so well, so they moved the game to PS3 generation consoles.

But in general, the interviews back then, were not so different in comparison to the interviews we get now - as long as we disregard Tameen's... well emotional way of talking. They were both talking about a game that was meant to revolutionalise DMC, with a new character etc etc. That character was Nero.

For me that's definite proof that CHANGE was bound to happen. I don't know what was in Capcom's mind back and wanted a new hero (or rather a new approach if you'd prefer) for the fans. Money? Did Kobayashi or whoever complained that Dante was more or less complete as a character and didn't know what to do with him so he made Nero and had Dante return with his DMC3 moves a bit enhanced? At any rate, from back then, Capcom accepted the decision that Devil May Cry for some reason or another had to take a different route.

It's curious if you think about it. Since DMC3 did well - well enough to be released two times (I'm referring of course to Dante's Awakening and Special Edition) why would they think the series ended? All in all to be fair, DMC1 is a pretty complete story by itself. Dante is the son of the legendary hero Sparda who beat the Devil Emperor and sealed him away for 2.000 years. When Dante was young, devils attacked his house killing his mother and (without him realizing) abducting his brother(though later this changed when DMC3 was published), while his father was already dead. Dante grew up, and opened a shop that lets him hunt devils, which is the best way to find who killed his family and take revenge. In DMC1 Dante accomplishes every possible goal he might have had along with cutting any loose ends in his life. He sealed Mundus again. He found a companion. He found out the truth about his brother. He took revenge for his mother. And gained the last relics of his father, the Perfect Amulet/Sparda (sword) etc. What else could possibly threaten Dante? DMC2 tried something but didn't go as well. DMC3 is a prequel so it doesn't count. So probably Capcom or whoever was kinda lost in deciding what to do with Dante and the series.

For some reason or another when Nero appeared, he did make a lot of fans, though a majority of old DMC veterans still prefered Dante and was enraged at the beginning. So Capcom didn't quite achieve what they wanted. DMC4 doesn't let the series go further at all. Dante still remains invincible with millions of fans and while Nero was well accepted and all, it wasn't enough to have him be the star of DMC5 all on his own.
Therefore Capcom went to plan B. Super Change. Let's start from the beginning. Let's make another Dante with another story that will let us make more games in the future, keep the series alive, the fans happy and most importantly, our pockets full. In short = Reboot. It's happening everywhere nowadays. Castlevania and Tomb Raider are some well known examples. So Capcom probably though, why not? And went with that.

Of course all the hardcore DMC fans who absolutely loved the old games were again ticked off. After Nero, a completely different Dante guy comes into the spotlight and the old Dante runs to play against Marvel.

Yes, it's bussiness. It was bound to happen, from the moment DMC4 was to feature a new main character.

And now

 

[Tiran]

LOL

They are same damn batman's !! movies follow the same batman with little bit tweaked differences they aren't enough to make them different like i said original dante is north pole and DanteX is south pole

only half of them were actually great, that's a fifty percent error rate that's your biased bigoted view i can't help i've enjoyed all of them they had ups and down but didn't really needed a reboot it just needed Platinum games or some great dev to clear the mess and make one epic DMC5

This was bound to happen ?? NOPE its just Capcom's laziness We fan's will make them realise this by not buying this cr@p

The SAME cosmetic differences apply, manly color and personality, plus their stories are very differently told. They sound different, act different because they are written by different people. If you can't see the difference between these two Batmans, character and story-wise, then, this argument is pointless. I think your weakness is appreciating subtlety. I'm not surprised. Plus, platinum would make a great Devil May Cry, gameplay-wise, but in an age where games aspire to greater heights, a gameplay-only DmC wouldn't be the Devil May Cry that Capcom wants. It's been done. This is an artistic decision.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

The SAME cosmetic differences apply, manly color and personality, plus n.

yeah okay batman were different story wise i can take that

BUTTTTT he is not retaining any of the old dante's appearance which is why we call him DanteX mr skinny is not the dante i am going to embrace he is only going to get my *facepalm* after i read reviews in IGN

and you are terribly wrong who needs artistic design ? even if yes then is it really necessary to reboot ? i don't think so and DMC is all about gameplay not graphics

 

[Tony_Redgrave]

^Language please. I've had to edit the post

 

[ROCKMAN X]

In a way it was bound to happen.



And now

Tony i am really okay with Reboot like Tomb raider >>> look at concept art

and look at the old lara

both seem to have the SAME body build

and here we have Dante

and his new look lets see i'm excited !!

WTF HE ISN'T DANTE DAMN YOU CAPCOM !! and here comes the DmC supporters to kick me in the nuts

 

[Tony_Redgrave]

Tony i am really okay with Reboot like Tomb raider >>> look at concept art

and look at the old lara

both look to have the SAME body build

and here we have Dante

and his new look lets see i'm excited !!

WTF HE ISN'T DANTE DAMN YOU CAPCOM !! and here comes the DmC supporters to kick me in the nuts

Hey, I wasn't trying to say that the DmC Reboot is acceptable or unacceptable in any way. All I'm pointing out with my previous post is that Capcom kinda wanted change ever since DMC4, thus leading to the Reboot.

DmC had more of a drastic change made to Dante in regards of appearance and all that, that's true but the fact that it isn't rebooted the way most DMC-fans expected it to, doesn't defeat Capcom's primary goal to this. Which is to say new fans. In fact, because new Dante looks like this, maybe he will attract people who wouldn't even look to the previous DMC-series, and prefer the looks and style that DmC has to offer.

At the same time Capcom throws the DMC HD Collection which is a great move. Old hardcore fans might re-buy the games just for the HD, and DmC fans who played the game might want to take a look at its predecessor, thus giving Capcom more and more money. Also new guys will buy DMC HD too and might actually buy DmC because of that.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

Hey,
buy DmC because of that.

@Tony tell me one thing do you try to touch the thorns when you pluck roses from your garden ?
and btw who buys games ??? Gamers are they different = yes that's why we have different genre for their unique tastes

they're like
*RPG
*Action/adventure
*Shootng TPS/FPS
*Survival horror I think capcom Brought to life and murdered this with its own greedy hands by making RE4 but that was focued on fans of action/adventure who love action 24/7 which is why they got huge success even though old fans were bitter with RE4/5
*Hack'n'slash which is basically old school final fight games in next generation made by accident but got them lots of $ they made another messed it up then they made another which got even more success that DMC1 did so what should they do ?? make a decent sequel but they didn't they just made a mediocre game like DMC4 so it didn't get them enough $ as expected

So just because RE4&5 got them lots and lots of $ they messed it all up and finally made one cruel reboot which is just worth the facepalm but again the question rises WHO will buy this Cr@p ? action adventure seekers NO ! because they already played DMC games because it has lot of action then who'll buy this some cult dedicated to Capcom ?

 

[Tiran]

Gamers are different but have varied tastes. I like when genres mix.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

Gamers are different but have varied tastes. I like when genres mix.

Looks like you aren't reading my post carefully that is what i mentioned -_-