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New Dante: How is he an A-hole?

And people worship them, I agree. But they certanly don't make it look like it's a bad thing.

It is the appeal of the lifestyle, the additude, the money and the women. You think they added that shot of Dante with all those naked women for the sake of character progression? It's the same reason rapers have scantly dressed dancers on their videos. Presenting an image with appeal to draw in an audience. It's certainly not for realism or to show how much the character is hurting on the inside. It's to make him look 'cool' to a certain audience, not to display the wrongs of his lifestyle.



That's says a lot about those who worship such a lifestyle. It doesn't validate it, however. Neither does Dante doing these things in the beginning of his journey to a better person, either. You think the movie Scarface was meant as the director promoting that lifestyle? It's a cautionary tale. The meaning of the story is in it's resolution. The simple fact that this Dante starts of as a nobody destined to do better things is suggestive of every aspect of his life being low and inglorious. That includes his manner, speech, motivations, company and lifestyle ...until he chooses to change himself- and his life- for the better.



The thing is, you didn't discrive Dante just now. We aren't saying he's unrealistic because curses or because he sleeps around and drinks or what not. He's unrealistic because those aspects of his life are idealized and made to seem cool.

The idea is that he will evolve and grow, right? Well, as you pointed out people don't really change that much. In fiction their journey forces them to grow and change. That doesn't happen in real life. Most people are set in their ways.
That's such an ignorant statement.
Often people do change... Sometimes when they realize they need to. Many people don't because life has not presented them with the option, chance, motivation or situation to do so. Change often occurs in the lives of those in the most extreme situations. Most change, however, occurs gradually in us over years.
Change can be triggered by shifting environments or people in our lives. For instance, falling in love or having kids can drastically change a person. Finding a true calling or religion (Or in my case losing it) can also change us. How often have you caught up with someone you haven't seen in years and noted how different they have become. The military does this to young people all the time.
This street punk can become a real man the same way dirty, filthy, drug dealing, murdering, ex-con, rappers clean up into book reading, pseudo- Intellectual, savvy suit wearing businessmen when responsibility and opportunity knocks.

Whatever may happen, It is said that the one constant in this universe is change.
 
That's says a lot about those who worship such a lifestyle.
Exactly! How did people react to the the naked zero g trailer ? No one said 'oh, Dante, that is a terrible way to go about your life.' They said 'Yeah, this Dante gets laid' acompanied by 'OG Dante's a virgin, not like new Dante' and a few 'awesome's here and there about the phone number writen in lipstick on his arm.
 
I think I'd rather get a beer with old Dante, new Dante (if hes of age) would probably tell the bartender to **** off and get into a fight.
 
I think I'd rather get a beer with old Dante, new Dante (if hes of age) would probably tell the bartender to **** off and get into a fight.
I don't know if Dante 2.0 would go get a beer with you. Aside from women he's trying to score with he doesn't seem to have friends or even have an interest making them.
 
Poking in my two cents, I think both Dante's are mega-jerks. Original Dante just seemed more loveable about it. But, you know what? I can't really give a full reasoning to who is a bigger, less-likeable jerk cuz the new game sorta-kinda isn't out yet.... :ermm: I do think they both fit into their game's universe's quite well...from what I know about DmC.

I'm fuzzy on the point of this. There are no realistic characters in fiction. There are portrayal of real people, there are characters based on real life, there are characters who are completly made up, and there are characters that are a combination of two or more of those. Some are more real, some are more fantastical. But it's not a bad thing, on ether aspect, all great characters in fiction are figments of the imagination from Dante to Hamlet. The nature of their realism doesn't change their appeal or impact.

As a writer who prides herself on making her most recent characters relatably realistic, this statement makes me very, very sad....
 
. This Dante is just a sad jerk compared to what real people do, unintentionally or not.


well you need to give him some leaway here. he did watch his mother get murdered by demons (if poison is to be believed) very violently. he has also lived under constant attack from demons both mental and physical. im surprised he isnt completely bat **** crazy at this point. and from what weve seen hes only an a hole to demons. when he interacts with Kat and Vergil hes more reserved and passive not caring what happens to him
 
What is it you don't find realistic?

He's held his dead mother in his arms when he was a child.
He doesn't seem to know who his father is.
He's been raised at an orphanage.
He's been tortured at the orphanage.
He's posted in the media as a terrorist.
He's hunted by demons.

All things considered, don't you find the way Dante is as realistic? When thinking about the things he's been through?

He knows demons are producing this Virility stuff to control humans, so he slaps it out of some fat guys hand and tells him to quit drinking it or else it would kill him.
He knows the bouncer works for the demons, so he smacks him up when he won't let him in.
He gives the cameras the finger and throws bricks at them to provoke the demons who are watching him.

He's angry, he hates demons, he has authority issues, he deals with this reality he lives in by being sarcastic and being a smartass, and he knows that he has supernatural powers, so he provokes the demons who are after him to get some of all that frustration out, picking fights with them, not just because he knows that killing demons is the right thing to do, but because he gets some sadistic feeling of revenge out of it as well. The world is after him and he responds back in an aggressive way. The world he lives in has made him the asshole he appears to be in the game.

For someone who lives his life, then yeah, I really do think he acts in a realistic way.

Let us turn this around and let me ask you all this...
Considering Dante and the life he lives, what do you think would be the realistic way for him to be like?


Stop making such logical arguments.

All joking aside, I quite enjoyed this post, and am looking forward to many more like it.

People are just... people. You have to deal with the horrible, ugly, soul-crushing disasters that happen to you in life, even if it's in the worst possibly way. As long as you can escape it, you'll have to do whatever you can do just get out of it, or confront it, or do whatever else you feel like doing in the face of your problems.

And who cares what other people think? They're not helping you. All you have in life is yourself, and maybe if your lucky, a few choice family members and friends.

Other than that, you're on your own.

Screw society.


Gotta agree with Berto., ZeroLove.

New Dante is just a character in a game. He's not a real person. No matter how hard NT tries with DmC, they can never recreate real human emotions into a character, because people react to things differently. Yes new Dante is a dramazation of people with a bad life, or as I call new Dante's life "His Fonz life," but people react to things differently then how new Dante reacts.

I'm black, I'vs seen how some people of my race are, and trust me, new Dante doesn't act like that.

But this isn't a "who's life has it worse" thread.

Good, I'm glad you said that.

Because personally, I think Karma is an equal-opportunity sort of b.astard. It doesn't really care who it screws over, Chris Rock rants be damned.




I haven't read all the posts, yet, but I'm going to reply to this.

I have known girls that fit that description. I was friends with one, once. She was angry at everything, swore almost all the time, did drugs, drank as often as she could, and slept with whatever guy or girl she could. That was in high school. Last I heard, not much had changed. Does that make her unrealistic? Even though she is a real person. She was a coward, and didn't have to deal with as much hell as this Dante, but that didn't change what she had become. She had friends that were the same way, some were even worse.

Saying that people like that are unrealistic is, as others have said, ignorance. And I didn't even grow up in a city. These girls were from small towns. So, remember, there are people just like him in the world. He's likely to change toward the end of the game since the story is about his progression.

Don't base his whole character on what you've seen, because that's not how he's going to be in the end.

Where is this girl and do you have her number??

...The trashier, the better. Bonus points if she was on Jerry Springer.

Anyway, you're right about this being about Dante's own personal journey, with his ego being just as much of a villain as Mundus is. It's kind of like Iron Man 2, but without it being a two-hour long trailer for The Avengers.



Yes, all of this. What's important here is how will that happen.

The whole game is a parody of our society, after all. It's exaggerated in a very visceral way and kind of fun and over the top if you ask me.

He's definitely a very unpolished guy and you can even see that in the way he moves in combat. In the GT Invisible Walls interview, doesn't that guy say that Vergil starts out telling him that he's destined for more? Dante is pretty much a wandering, violent dude with no purpose in the beginning of this story.

I'm Puerto Rican. I know this feels. This Dante is just a sad jerk compared to what real people do, unintentionally or not.

So, only Latinos "know how it is"?

Like I said, I'm pretty sure things gets real damn ugly for everyone.

Ok, I'm half-kidding. I know that there's some-- ok, there's a lot of truth to this.

Do you know what they call Medellin?

The Murder Capital of the World.

Do you know how many people you have to waste in order to get that title?


Anyway, back on topic:

While this world is over the top in this universe, it's still very much grounded in their perception of reality. It bends the rules just enough to make you think that it could happen in this world... while on acid.

I call it the "Shadowman Effect". It's very similar in the fact that while it took place in the real world, Shadowman had the ability to travel to the afterlife at will. And that's pretty much what happens here, with Limbo.


If I upset anyone with this post, I am sorry, and will immediately redact it. I only said these things purely for the sake of (poorly thought out) humor.
 
The only time I've seen him been a d!ck was on that scene where he slaped that can off that dude's hand. And yeah, he was a d!ck about, don't even try to tell me that he did it for his benefit because if was he wouldn't have gone about it like that. If you're walking around drinking your (insert drink here) and someone slaps it from your hand and say 'sh!t'll kill ya' you're not going to defend the twat saying 'awww, he was just looking out for my best interest. Thank you kind stranger for trying to save my live in the nicest possible way.' Yeah, riiiiightttt. I'd turn to the a'hole and say 'hey, a$$hole! What tha f#%!'s wrong with you?'
Well that's exactly like stealing a cigarette out of someones's mouth, saying "It will kill ya"and it's the same with some religious people "You're gonna burn in hell if you don't believe in god !!!" I bet God would be a little dissapoint.
 
As a writer who prides herself on making her most recent characters relatably realistic, this statement makes me very, very sad....
Come on.

You ever watch a horror movie?
You ever watch Scare Tactics?

One's got real reactions, the other dramataized.

We dramatize because real world reactions dont have the same impact as the ones we've created in literature, theatre and film. Too much realism can hurt the story as much as having too little. Why does every keep thinking it's a bad thng?
 
Come on.

You ever watch a horror movie?
You ever watch Scare Tactics?

One's got real reactions, the other dramataized.

We dramatize because real world reactions dont have the same impact as the ones we've created in literature, theatre and film. Too much realism can hurt the story as much as having too little. Why does every keep thinking it's a bad thng?

theres nothing wrong with realism but it can only go so far. think about it the game is about demons that control everything being fought by a teen with powers of angels and demons who is able to weild mystical weapons in an alternate dimension why being aided by him millionaire twin brother and his top secret organisation which includes a psychic teen.

how real can they actually make it??
 
Come on.

You ever watch a horror movie?
You ever watch Scare Tactics?

One's got real reactions, the other dramataized.

We dramatize because real world reactions dont have the same impact as the ones we've created in literature, theatre and film. Too much realism can hurt the story as much as having too little. Why does every keep thinking it's a bad thng?

I'm not saying that there aren't real and dramaticized reactions in entertainment, nor am I saying drama isn't important or a good thing. I love drama in a storyline. I'm not looking to start an arguement, but it's naive to say that realistic reactions and characters don't exist in fiction at all. Sometimes the most powerful moments in a plot are the most realistic ones.
To be honest, realistically, in something like DMC as a series, realism really doesn't matter because there is no real life example for it. There's no real demon hunters out there kicking butt and taking names. That's all I have to say about that.
 
I'm not saying that there aren't real and dramaticized reactions in entertainment, nor am I saying drama isn't important or a good thing. I love drama in a storyline. I'm not looking to start an arguement, but it's naive to say that realistic reactions and characters don't exist in fiction at all. Sometimes the most powerful moments in a plot are the most realistic ones.
To be honest, realistically, in something like DMC as a series, realism really doesn't matter because there is no real life example for it. There's no real demon hunters out there kicking butt and taking names. That's all I have to say about that.
I wasn't planning on posting in this thread anymore because I said all I have to say, but I need to tell Shadow she's wonderful.

Yeah guys, seriously, if you don't think a single character in fiction can be realistic then you aren't reading/playing/watching the right stuff. I can understand if all you play are crazy video games, read manga and comic books, or "pulp" fiction, and watch action movies or stuff like that. But you can't say that not a single character in all of fiction is realistic. You want to talk about ignorance? That is ignorant. I mentioned several titles in one of my posts that have realistic characters. Although I find it funny watching people claim no characters are realistic, or agree with those who say it, and then try to justify how new Dante is realistic. Teehee.

As someone who has been writing for about fourteen years and has been studying how to craft stories and characters for ten years I like to think I have at least a shred of credibility when talking about this. But this is the Internet when people can say whatever they want with nothing to back it up and still be seen as right. Oh well.

I'm not responding to all the other people who quoted my posts because I had already said things that answer your questions/arguments. And I really don't what to get re-pulled into this argument. I just had to come and defend me and Shadow's credibility as well as every writer who cares about character ever.
 
I wasn't planning on posting in this thread anymore because I said all I have to say, but I need to tell Shadow she's wonderful.

Yeah guys, seriously, if you don't think a single character in fiction can be realistic then you aren't reading/playing/watching the right stuff. I can understand if all you play are crazy video games, read manga and comic books, or "pulp" fiction, and watch action movies or stuff like that. But you can't say that not a single character in all of fiction is realistic. You want to talk about ignorance? That is ignorant. I mentioned several titles in one of my posts that have realistic characters. Although I find it funny watching people claim no characters are realistic, or agree with those who say it, and then try to justify how new Dante is realistic. Teehee.

As someone who has been writing for about fourteen years and has been studying how to craft stories and characters for ten years I like to think I have at least a shred of credibility when talking about this. But this is the Internet when people can say whatever they want with nothing to back it up and still be seen as right. Oh well.

I'm not responding to all the other people who quoted my posts because I had already said things that answer your questions/arguments. And I really don't what to get re-pulled into this argument. I just had to come and defend me and Shadow's credibility as well as every writer who cares about character ever.

You've been writing for fourteen years?

Mind if I ask what kind of works?
 
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well you need to give him some leaway here. he did watch his mother get murdered by demons (if poison is to be believed) very violently. he has also lived under constant attack from demons both mental and physical. im surprised he isnt completely bat **** crazy at this point. and from what weve seen hes only an a hole to demons. when he interacts with Kat and Vergil hes more reserved and passive not caring what happens to him
I meant by the way he acts towards others; a total stranger would label him a jerk. I know he has some crazy history behind his actions, doesn't mean we can't judge it out of that context, you know?

I don't mind his attitude because he does seem to genuinely care at times. Like that Overturn mission when he sees people suffering for some reason.

Same goes to DMC Dante, even if he's a little too carefree when the situation calls for some actual seriousness.

So his anger is justified as it's mainly towards demons that made his life pretty damn rocky.
 
Yeah guys, seriously, if you don't think a single character in fiction can be realistic then you aren't reading/playing/watching the right stuff. I can understand if all you play are crazy video games, read manga and comic books, or "pulp" fiction, and watch action movies or stuff like that. But you can't say that not a single character in all of fiction is realistic. You want to talk about ignorance? That is ignorant. I mentioned several titles in one of my posts that have realistic characters. Although I find it funny watching people claim no characters are realistic...
I find it a bit condecending that you assume all we watch and read are comics, manga, action movies and anime. Even more so is how often the word ignorance is trown around here. I don't how people here persive that word but in my experience you don't call people ignorant out of common curtecy.

So, then, what do YOU feel is the righth stuff?
 
I'd say realism in media is subjective though the most realistic depiction of a human being in media would be characters in the slice of life genre where the genre is devoted to you watching a character grow in average reality and watching them go through their own perfectly realistic struggles.
 
I find it a bit condecending that you assume all we watch and read are comics, manga, action movies and anime. Even more so is how often the word ignorance is trown around here. I don't how people here persive that word but in my experience you don't call people ignorant out of common curtecy.

So, then, what do YOU feel is the righth stuff?
No no no! :( I said I can understand why a person would think all characters are unrealistic if all you read/watch/play is crazy over the top action stories with unrealistic characters. If that's all you ever get exposure to then of course that would shape your overall perception of the subject. I obviously play over the top games, I also read manga and pulp fiction. But I've also read classics and played games with great characterization, so I know it's possible.

I never said that you guys ONLY ever read/watch/play a certain thing. I said I could understand it if that was the case. There's a difference. And a lot of people here have been using the word ignorance. I don't know what it means to them, but to me it's being oblivious to something. Not like knowing it's there and just not caring, but having no idea in the first place. Or! You could know it's there, ignore it, and think doing that is okay.

So, saying that no characters are realistic is ignorant because there are many who are realistic. I named several examples already.
 
The thing is, you didn't discrive Dante just now. We aren't saying he's unrealistic because curses or because he sleeps around and drinks or what not. He's unrealistic because those aspects of his life are idealized and made to seem cool.

The idea is that he will evolve and grow, right? Well, as you pointed out people don't really change that much. In fiction their journey forces them to grow and change. That doesn't happen in real life. Most people are set in their ways.

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Ok, could people please stop saying that. If we are not allowed to talk about it just based on what we know conversations are going to be cut short on all fronts.

You can't say you like him until you've played the game.
You can't say you hate him until you've played the game.
Don't form opinions without all the facts.

Why not? If we can't express our opinions now then what is the point of a forum? We are forming opinions with all the available facts that we can and we are allowed to change our opinions as more facts are made available.

So, please, pretty please, with sugar on top, stop saying that people are not allowed to pressent opinions until release.

I didn't see anything in the trailers meant to make his lifestyle seem cool. It just looked like they were telling you how he turned out after the life he had lived. To me, anyway.

And not everyone stays the same. One girl I knew in high school has completely turned her life around. I was never friends with her, but I did get along with her. She has a couple of kids now, and that's the reason for her changing. There's another girl that changed for the same reason. The only reason why I'm mentioning the girls is because they're the only ones I've gotten updates on. My friends don't tell me about anyone else.

How about this. Don't make an absolute decision, yet. Leave room for your opinion to change, look at the potential as well as what's available. Sound better?

Where is this girl and do you have her number??

...The trashier, the better. Bonus points if she was on Jerry Springer.

Anyway, you're right about this being about Dante's own personal journey, with his ego being just as much of a villain as Mundus is. It's kind of like Iron Man 2, but without it being a two-hour long trailer for The Avengers.


lol. I have no idea. She's someone I'd really rather not get back in contact with, and that's what it would take. I doubt she was on Jerry Springer. I probably would have heard about it, if she was. Besides, I doubt you'd like her. She doesn't exactly have the figure for how she dresses, and it looks pretty sickening.
 
No no no! :( I said I can understand why a person would think all characters are unrealistic if all you read/watch/play is crazy over the top action stories with unrealistic characters. If that's all you ever get exposure to then of course that would shape your overall perception of the subject. I obviously play over the top games, I also read manga and pulp fiction. But I've also read classics and played games with great characterization, so I know it's possible.
Relax, I wasn't mad when I read your post, I ain't mad now.

However, I still don't agree. Even the most realistic films I've seen are, in some way shape or form, founded in dramatization. That is not to say they don't mirrior real life, that the characters are not people who could exist in the real world or even resemble them.
I never said that you guys ONLY ever read/watch/play a certain thing. I said I could understand it if that was the case. There's a difference. And a lot of people here have been using the word ignorance. I don't know what it means to them, but to me it's being oblivious to something. Not like knowing it's there and just not caring, but having no idea in the first place. Or! You could know it's there, ignore it, and think doing that is okay.
I have this cousin who HATES Star Trek. 'All they do is talk' and he finds it unacceptable and borring.

If people aren't dying, killing, screwing, or been funny it's got no merit in his eyes. So a morality story where people solve their problems by talking is garbage in his eyes and the worth kind of television there can be.

So, saying that no characters are realistic is ignorant because there are many who are realistic. I named several examples already.
Where at?


As for the ignorance thing. I find that word trown around too often at time it is uncalled for and had trownmy way far too often with the pretext that it wasn't meant in bad way when the person send it my way was certainly not trying to be curtious. I find it condecending and most of the time unjustified.
 
Yes err... so what ? Dante was a loud-mouth Wise-cracking A-hole when he was like in his early 20's

DMC 4's Dante was also an A-hole why ? because he was portrayed wrongly

when compared to this guy >
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he is nothing but a punk who drops F-bombs like a spoiled street kid

and i have to say what the heck is up with NT don't they have any decent script i mean WTF ?
 
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