My thoughts after playing through DmC: Devil May Cry

[Chancey289]

Kat was actually pretty thoroughly explained in DmC. She was abused (hint of sexual abuse) by her foster father, who was a demon, and she would escape to Limbo to get away from her physical body to not feel any pain whenever this happened (she called it the nightmares). Vergil found out that she had this ability and decided to show her how to control it better, later helping her kill her foster father.

The thing I like about DmC and its story is that they don't straight out tell you everything that happened in detail but they give you the general idea so you can build off of it. This was non-existent in past DMCs, because you only knew about the events that happened within the game and that was it. In DMC1 you do get a bit of a flashback when you take down Vergil for the last time, but that's it. In DMC3, you have no flippin' clue how Dante's life had been until that point.... hell, he could have gone to Brazil, had a baby there with a random woman, gotten back to his shop, taken a shower, and BAM! the game starts. DMC4 does the same with Nero and his devil arm, as well as not showing how Kyrie and Nero's relationship built up (once the game start, they already loved each other).

Back on the gameplay topic though, it may not be as in-depth as DMC3/4 but the more I play the game, the more I realize that there are some crazy stuff that you can pull off and they are at DMC-level hard to do. The game is waaay too new to be judging it just yet.

And also, nice stuff Chaser! I watched your videos and it was a lot of fun watching a pro hammering the game, even though it was your first playthrough and obviously you were still getting used to the new weapons and stuff, you still did pretty well. That helm breaker cancel though... why can't I do it properly!? D:< Once I get that down I would have so many new doors open for me.

I like too how the story doesn't treat you like a baby which is why I'd much rather see more of this universe of Devil May Cry. I got the subtle hints to her backstory but I'm just saying I want to see more on it is all. I think theat Vergil comic book is doing that though so guess that's the end of that. DmC is more interesting than the others in the story and character department what I really didn't give a sh!t about mainly because it was nothing very special to begin with. I see potential in DmC. Adding to the stupidity that was 4 was a pointless character like Nero and his relationship with his cardboard cutout girlfriend. The only thing I liked about Nero was that he was voiced by my favorite Power Ranger.

 

[ChaserTech]

As you can see I mentioned how the color coded enemies in the later portions of the game is my biggest issue with it. Other than that the style system is something I'd get rid of in a heartbeat for Devil May Cry all together because it really is more so a forced system. In DmC when moves like the prop shredder can be done by simply holding one button and pressing circle to follow it up with a rainstorm immediately after that WITHOUT cycling through another moveset this style system can be completely thrown out because DmC has figured out a way to make all my favorite techniques all flow nicely.

If you're going to compare moves by saying DmC doesn't require for you to cycle through weapons/styles, what about using Prop into Aerial Rave? Or what about Prop into Round Trip? Or how about a JC'd Calibur into a Roulette (Nero)? That didn't require you to cycle through weapons/styles in order to pull off those combination of moves in succession.

And for the record, you are cycling through a different moveset when you use Prop into Rainstorm. You cannot hold the Angel/Demon triggers whenever you want to use guns in this game because of Ophion.

Plus on a side note, you talk as if your this DMC expert where it's safe to say after seeing one of your videos, I can safely say, I'm the better player. I'm surprised you tolerate that piece of crap 4 so much.

If you're talking about DmC, I don't really care since I'm probably only at 30hrs worth of total playtime from the demo and from the full game. So I really didn't play it as extensively as I did with DMC4 (which I played for years)

If you're talking about DMC4, I'd really like to see some videos then.

 

[Chancey289]

If you're going to compare moves by saying DmC doesn't require for you to cycle through weapons/styles, what about using Prop into Aerial Rave? Or what about Prop into Round Trip? Or how about a JC'd Calibur into a Roulette (Nero)? That didn't require you to cycle through weapons/styles in order to pull off those combination of moves in succession.

And for the record, you are cycling through a different moveset when you use Prop into Rainstorm. You cannot hold the Angel/Demon triggers whenever you want to use guns in this game because of Ophion.



If you're talking about DmC, I don't really care since I'm probably only at 30hrs worth of total playtime from the demo and from the full game. So I really didn't play it as extensively as I did with DMC4 (which I played for years)

If you're talking about DMC4, I'd really like to see some videos then.

A better Devil May Cry player in general Mr. Chaser. I can't really upload any videos on DMC 4 because I don't have that piece of crap anymore. I threw it in a bonfire and roasted some hot dogs and I really just don't care but the stuff you do is no different of what I've already done since 2001. I came, I saw, I conquered.

 

[ChaserTech]

A better Devil May Cry player in general Mr. Chaser. I can't really upload any videos on DMC 4 because I don't have that piece of crap anymore. I threw it in a bonfire and roasted some hot dogs and I really just don't care but the stuff you do is no different of what I've already done since 2001. I came, I saw, I conquered.

If you're really going to say something like that, then at least prove it with videos. Not with statements. :/ And if you haven't noticed, gameplay mechanics have changed drastically since DMC1. You must be really closed minded if you really thing that DMC4's advanced combat system is no different than DMC1's.

I cannot take you seriously if all you're going to do is just spout random nonsense, claiming various things when you don't have the proof to back your claims up. I'm taking my leave from this debate since it's pointless to reason with someone who cannot do this.

 

[Chancey289]

If you're really going to say something like that, then at least prove it with videos. Not with statements. :/

I cannot take you seriously if all you're going to do is just spout random nonsense, claiming various things when you don't have the proof to back your claims up. I'm taking my leave from this debate since it's pointless to reason with someone who cannot do this.

I don't care whether you believe me or not but I just know I am. I'm not going through a game I hate just to prove my point. I'm not that masochistic. Good day to you sir.

 

[DragonMaster2010]

I'd say it's an opinion that can be supported very well, with facts.
No opininon can be a full fact if not everyone agrees with that. I actually prefer Kat over Trish.

But from what I can tell, the whole game exudes this juvenile, hackneyed, underground sense of what rebellion is, and all that stuff. I had hoped this would be better than the DMCs.

I think it is. But that's what I see and think.

Overall, DMC4 and DmC are probably both pretty mediocre.
But this is getting off topic. We're not here to discuss ''DmC VS ...'' again.

Honestly after seeing DMC4 for the first time, No DMC is mediocore compared to DMC4. (even DMC2) But that's my opinion.

 

[ChaserTech]

And also, nice stuff Chaser! I watched your videos and it was a lot of fun watching a pro hammering the game, even though it was your first playthrough and obviously you were still getting used to the new weapons and stuff, you still did pretty well. That helm breaker cancel though... why can't I do it properly!? D:< Once I get that down I would have so many new doors open for me.

To be honest, I had a Logitech controller which further handicapped me when I wanted to execute Jump Cancelling. Not sure if it was the controller or just me playing on the PC that caused a major difference.

And yeah, messing around with the combat system was just new to me. It was literally the first time I had actually played with Aquila, Eryx, Revanent, and Kablooey.

 

[Nessy]

I really don't see how one person being "better" at the game makes your arguments any more valid, unless you are talking about something that someone could not possibly understand without an in depth knowledge and large amount of skill for the game.

I completed all of DMC4 ND on DMD and am going to start doing it on this game too soon, but I would never try to use that as a means of argument unless something specifically required skill.

 

[ChaserTech]

I really don't see how one person being "better" at the game makes your arguments any more valid, unless you are talking about something that someone could not possibly understand without an in depth knowledge and large amount of skill for the game.

I completed all of DMC4 ND on DMD and am going to start doing it on this game too soon, but I would never try to use that as a means of argument unless something specifically required skill.

Honestly, depending on what people mean by being better, I don't either.

If you run through DMC games only concerning about achievements, then I don't consider that as skill. Whenever I talk about skill, I'm referring to mastering the combat system on a high level. When you're able to push the game to it's limits, you understand more of what it's capable of along with timing and execution for certain attacks. I consider that as actual skill. And it can be used within arguments, especially if you understand mechanics better than another person.

 

[Nessy]

If you run through DMC games only concerning about achievements, then I don't consider that as skill. Whenever I talk about skill, I'm referring to mastering the combat system on a high level. When you're able to push the game to it's limits, you understand more of what it's capable of along with timing and execution for certain attacks. I consider that as actual skill. And it can be used within arguments, especially if you understand mechanics better than another person.

Yes I hate achievements, I suspect the only reason that DmC has that car level is to allow players to get the no damage achievement, however if a single player game needs you to get to a very high skill level (requiring hundreds of hours of gameplay) to be able to argue with people on the forums then maybe that is the fault of the game as well. You shouldn't be forced to play a game for that long to be able to accurately judge it.

 

[ChaserTech]

Yes I hate achievements, I suspect the only reason that DmC has that car level is to allow players to get the no damage achievement, however if a single player game needs you to get to a very high skill level (requiring hundreds of hours of gameplay) to be able to argue with people on the forums then maybe that is the fault of the game as well. You shouldn't be forced to play a game for that long to be able to accurately judge it.

Well, that's the problem. Analysis's like this takes a lot of time. Especially if you're trying to compare what game has to offer. You have to sit down and play the game long enough to understand what it's mostly capable of.

 

[Nessy]

Either way the argument you were having with Chancey is stupid, considering he seems to have dropped dmc4 immediately, and you have hundreds of hours more in dmc4 than the new game.

 

[Lionheart]

Honestly after seeing DMC4 for the first time, No DMC is mediocore compared to DMC4. (even DMC2) But that's my opinion.

I said my opinion can be argumented with facts. I didn't say the entire opinion was a fact. That's why it's called an opinion.

Alright, if you think DmC's gameplay - specifically the combat system - is somehow better than that of DMC4, you're entitled to have that opinion.

 

[Chancey289]

Either way the argument you were having with Chancey is stupid, considering he seems to have dropped dmc4 immediately, and you have hundreds of hours more in dmc4 than the new game.

Played it, beat it, like every other DMC game. Then I burned it eventually to roast some hot dogs. DMC is not a hard game to learn especially since I'm a DMC player that's been playing these games since their inception. I first played DMC when the demo showed up with Code Veronica so I assure you I am a better player than most. But I really just don't care. I just play. Overall, Devil May Cry doesn't have that steep learning curve or masterfully depth you guys think it does. Then again I'm just a natural gamer so of course this kind of stuff comes easier to me than most. And I'm one of the hardcore veteran fans so again Devil May Cry is one of the games I can pick up without even a tutorial on. I dropped 4 not long after I got it because I like good games thank you very much. Still SSS every level on the hardest difficulty.

 

[DragonMaster2010]

I said my opinion can be argumented with facts. I didn't say the entire opinion was a fact. That's why it's called an opinion.

Alright, if you think DmC's gameplay - specifically the combat system - is somehow better than that of DMC4, you're entitled to have that opinion.

I never said that. I can honestly admit DMC4 had better combat, but I still had fun with DmC.

 

[Lionheart]

Kat's probably one of my favorite characters in the series all together. While all the other girls of Devil May Cry served the purpose of eye candy and had personalities as interesting as cardboard Kat has more character than any DMC girl who is suppose to play "straight man" to Dante's absurdity. Reason why I like Kat so much is because she's just a normal girl who isn't some demonslayer and doesn't add up at all to the supernatural world she is attached to. She makes up for her lack of strength with courage I see. Holding up through torture by Mundus and risking her life against demons that could kill her in an instant multiple times also while having no supernatural ability at all, makes Kat one of the more interesting characters in the Devil May Cry story all together because I just like the idea of who Kat is. I much rather see more on her and its a shame she wasn't as explored as I hope she would be. Hopefully a sequel rolls around for DmC because this take on Devil May Cry has alot more potential and quite frankly more interesting than what the original series left us with because I don't care.

I don't know, I thought Lady from DMC3 was a pretty good character. No worse than Kat, I'd say. Even Trish was kind of interesting in DMC1. In DMC4, not so much. She doesn't even really do anything in that game; it's just a cameo.

In the end, it's all about what you prefer to see in characters. Do you want your characters to outright say ''Look at me! I'm awesome'' or do you want characters to show who they are in a subtle way, or through actions instead of words? A lot of people thought Vergil from DMC3 was a terrible character. That's all up to interpretation, though. And nobody likes the same characters.
I do have to say that I like characters that show who they are through their way of speaking and so on. I'd take into account all fields of character.

 

[Ruisu]

Well no DMC ever forced you to be a high skill (in which I mean the level we are discussing in the topic) to be actually "skilled" at the game.

I mean,look at DMC4 bloddy palace(on the consoles). It's really punishing at some points with it's time limits, and having a high level with skill in combos and such not always means you're good enough to survive the higher floors. Hell, it took me three weeks straight with Dante to finally reach the second boss when I first tried this mode, and even considering I suck at a good number of advanced techniques, I can claim I'm well versed in f*ing surviving. lol


...what was my point again?

 

[Chancey289]

I don't know, I thought Lady from DMC3 was a pretty good character. No worse than Kat, I'd say. Even Trish was kind of interesting in DMC1. In DMC4, not so much. She doesn't even really do anything in that game; it's just a cameo.

In the end, it's all about what you prefer to see in characters. Do you want your characters to outright say ''Look at me! I'm awesome'' or do you want characters to show who they are in a subtle way, or through actions instead of words? A lot of people thought Vergil from DMC3 was a terrible character. That's all up to interpretation, though. And nobody likes the same characters.
I do have to say that I like characters that show who they are through their way of speaking and so on. I'd take into account all fields of character.

Vergil is a sh!tty villain and I'm sorry if that rustles some jimmies. I don't understand how this dude's got a fanbase because as a villain he's a very weak excuse of one and I know LOTS who put him to shame.

 

[Nerofanheart]

well DmC was made to catter the casuals not the old fans :ermm:

 

[Nerofanheart]

Vergil is a sh!tty villain and I'm sorry if that rustles some jimmies. I don't understand how this dude's got a fanbase because as a villain he's a very weak excuse of one and I know LOTS who put him to shame.

i played DMC3 and Vergil wasnt a villain (hes more of an anti-hero) heck he and Dante even resolved their differences and teamed up to defeat Mundus i dont know why you think vergil is a villain