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Is it really that bad?

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Hmmm...
~plays Bayonetta again, finds while combat is more developed due to P* essentially remaking DMC1 AGAIN, the aesthetic and character is severally lacking as is an entry for players not familiar with the HnS style mechanics, and Bayonetta is a walking S&M fetish wetdream with the personality of sandpaper and the likeability of an ass-tack. Plays DMC4, feels like he's playing DMC3's combat engine in a Bleach HnS game and not enough of the classic DMC style gothic/dark atmosphere that he fell in love with in DMC1, as well as a total lack of real story explination for the main character, a lackluster "romance" that...was missing the vital parts of that subplot that makes you give a s**t about the involved parties, and a nasty learning curve for entry players who will be left confused at the very stark difference in mechanics betwen Dante and Nero and having to learn an entirely different style of combat after having played for 11 levels as Nero.

Plays DmC. Finds it a fun romp, easy entry level mechanics with potential for further technical evolution, much of the same DNA found in DMC1 2 and 3 that forms the backbone of the game play, characters that develope in the story, and an interesting take as an Ultimates style alternate universe~

Well, did my comparison, so you can give up on converting me BACK to objecting this game having it's fair chance.
 
Rising Sun said:
I find it hilarious that people can't admit that DmC's combat system just isn't as well-made as other action games, when all is said and done.
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If we are talking about how well it's made, yeah, but the core mechanics are there, which is why is somewhat of a shame.
 
berto said:
If we are talking about how well it's made, yeah, but the ore mechanics are there, which is why is somewhat of a shame.
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Yeah. I meant a better executed combat system in that sense -- something that's smoother, flows better, and has a better defense system other than Witch Time and Parry Everything.

Nero. said:
Seriously guys we should just agree to disagree on this game it only causes needless arguments and fights against each other.
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Says the person who had a "rustles jimmies" avatar (yeah, I saw that).

Seriously, though -- you're right. We'll agree to disagree.
 
Seriously, I don't think MGR will beat DmC. It couldn't even measure up to the demo atleast. MGR so far is average action game that was only better than the NG3 demo. Even Heavenly Sword was more fun. I tried to like it, I even played the demo over 20 times and learn all the moves. But I haven't gotten a better impression. I'll still rent it though, but it ain't worth the full price.
 
Rising Sun said:
Yeah. I meant a better executed combat system in that sense -- something that's smoother, flows better, and has a better defense system other than Witch Time and Parry Everything.



Says the person who had a "rustles jimmies" avatar (yeah, I saw that).

Nah, I'm kidding. We'll agree to disagree.
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last time i checked EVERY aspect of a game has to be good and not just combat, regardless of genre, and dmc4 was a fail in every aspect except for combat, but what do i know right, only in an art college for game design, animation and film
 
Quite frankly I'm stunned Downfall notices "Kamiya-worshippers" seeing how trigger happy he is with Ignoring everyone he disagrees with.

Rising Sun said:
That's a sig stating my own personal tastes. I don't see the issue here.
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You're denoting that you think MGR is superior to DmC when you haven't played a completed version yet. I've been over this.

Loopy said:
That was the point I was making. I do read you know. Or are we all uneducated peons now?
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Yeah, that was a dick comment on my part. Sorry chief.

Loopy said:
I had no idea people had such a ****storm over FFVII. It was the game that got me into FF, and made me want to go back and play the others. Not going to defend it though. Anything is better than the pretty corridor advernture that was XIII. So linear.....:blink: Then there was SERAAAAHHHH! I so wanted to punch that guy. Lightning got there first though. :lol:
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SERAH WANTS US TO SAVE COCOON. THAT'S OUR FOCUS! WE MUST SAVE COCOON BECAUSE SERAH WANTED US TO SAVE COCOON BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HER FOCUS WAS, AND IT'S WHAT OUR FOCUS IS, WHICH IS TO SAVE COCOON. SO COME ON! LET'S COMPLETE OUR FOCUS AND SAVE COCOON BECAUSE SERAH'S FOCUS WAS TO GIVE US OUR FOCUS TO SAVE COCOON. SO NOW WE NEED TO SAVE COCOON!

AlchemistFromEden said:
last time i checked EVERY aspect of a game has to be good and not just combat, regardless of genre, and dmc4 was a fail in every aspect except for combat, but what do i know right, only in an art college for game design, animation and film
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Quite frankly if you come to a forum which is almost entirely based around discussing one particular thing, you should expect every element of it to come under scrutiny.
 
Rising Sun said:
Says the person who had a "rustles jimmies" avatar (yeah, I saw that).

Seriously, though -- you're right. We'll agree to disagree.
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I don't ever remember saying I was innocent.It's just this needless fighting is getting tiring.
 
Nero. said:
I don't ever remember saying I was innocent.It's just this needless fighting is getting tiring.
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Bugger off then dude, I've got plenty of fight left in me.

Dante Redgrave said:
Dat diatribe
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Obviously personal taste is a major part in your perspective on the series, but looking at each of these games in terms of features alone is enough to articulate why people see DmC as the inferior product. That's from a gameplay standpoint however, before you even get to those who despise the game aesthetically, scripturally or symbolically.

Probably my crowning hatred for DmC is how it represents the Anarchist movement, or rather how it doesn't. It presents the authorities as being inexorably evil and rather stunningly incompetant, and the rebellion as suicidally stupid lemmings strung along by an inept used car salesman. The destruction of autocratic despotism isn't through cunning subversion by an educated populace working together to destroy those who torment them, it's by the hand of an atavistic thug with magical super powers he received through nepotism.

I really wanted this game to be good. I wanted it to deliver on Antonaides's promises of gravitas and intelligence. In the end it's just as superficial and poorly conceived as the Occupy Movement.
 
Macabre said:
Bugger off then dude, I've got plenty of fight left in me.



Obviously personal taste is a major part in your perspective on the series, but looking at each of these games in terms of features alone is enough to articulate why people see DmC as the inferior product. That's from a gameplay standpoint however, before you even get to those who despise the game aesthetically, scripturally or symbolically.

Probably my crowning hatred for DmC is how it represents the Anarchist movement, or rather how it doesn't. It presents the authorities as being inexorably evil and rather stunningly incompetant, and the rebellion as suicidally stupid lemmings strung along by an inept used car salesman. The destruction of autocratic despotism isn't through cunning subversion by an educated populace working together to destroy those who torment them, it's by the hand of an atavistic thug with magical super powers he received through nepotism.I would have said education of the populace is what they were working towards until Vergil pulled his 'free to rule' bit. But that was why he felt he was free to rule. His birthright as a superior being. Vergil and Mundus are two sides of the same coin. At least it ends with humans saying they have awoken But of all the things to do it on...Twitter?! :lol: Ok sure, the quick exchange of information on there, and sure it could be a useful tool for education the humans, but....after all that it's twitter outing the demons. :lol: Plus, they wrecked the whole city after the Mundus transformers rampage. I hardly call that saving people. Yaay, we wrecked a whole city. :troll: But it's alright....humans are freed from those nasty demons.

I really wanted this game to be good. I wanted it to deliver on Antonaides's promises of gravitas and intelligence. In the end it's just as superficial and poorly conceived as the Occupy Movement.
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So, if this is your interpetstion of DMC, how would you read DMC4 considering the whole basically 'religion is evil' coaliton with science also for 'evil' lead by a space-pope who basically did it to make himself look like the good guy and get more people to join his Sparda cult.

Clearly there's something about DmC for you to draw those conclusions. So at least it makes you think. (Don't mean that in a condescending way^_^).
 
"Is it really that bad?"

No, no it's not. It's a damn fine action game. Are there ones better? Yes. Are there ones worse? Yes. But what does that even matter? If you have fun with it, enjoy it. If you don't, then play something else.
 
Loopy said:
So, if this is your interpetstion of DMC, how would you read DMC4 considering the whole basically 'religion is evil' coaliton with science also for 'evil' lead by a space-pope who basically did it to make himself look like the good guy and get more people to join his Sparda cult.
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That's not a fair comparison because I don't like DMC4 as a piece of profound fiction. It's an intentionally goofy romp where a man rapes a block of alabaster with glowing cockspikes for God's sake, and that's what it was advertised as. If Itsuno had come out claiming it was an examination of Catholicism's relationship with American culture, I'd have called bull on that too.

Loopy said:
Clearly there's something about DmC for you to draw those conclusions. So at least it makes you think. (Don't mean that in a condescending way^_^).
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That's the thing. I've enjoyed hating DmC by a infinite order of magnitude more than I enjoyed playing it. I've enjoyed having discourse with people who agree and disagree with me a great deal. Hell, last night discussing DmC lead me to discuss renaisance art, and I don't get involved in that kind of discourse often.
 
DragonMaster2010 said:
That depends entirely on you. If you like it, good. If you don't no problem. Have fun with it, learn some new tricks, and go balls deep in it.
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Why thank you chief. You enjoy DmC as much as you like. I'll go right on with my unfairly high standards.
 
Macabre said:
That's not a fair comparison because I don't like DMC4 as a piece of profound fiction. It's an intentionally goofy romp where a man rapes a block of alabaster with glowing cockspikes for God's sake, and that's what it was advertised as. If Itsuno had come out claiming it was an examination of Catholicism's relationship with American culture, I'd have called bull on that too.
So you think DmC is a piece of profound fiction? :/
Just because Itsuno hasn't said that doesn't man you can't still have your own interpretation of the game. Heck, isn't that what life is about....just taking your experiences and reading them into games, fiction and movies? Well, unless the maker actually comes out and says what they were trying to present to the public.
I find it quite fun to read all sorts of crap into DMC4. Sciene and religion working together. Kinda like the Catholic church.Sure it's hamfisted....but you know:cool:
Agnus saying that people will not believe in god unless the experience hell. He's right....it's the truth for a lot of people. And that's why space-pope Sanctus carries out his plan.
Destroy the city by secretly freeing demons on the populace+ use the Sparda saviour statue to make it look like he saved the town= PROFIT! :lol: He gets new followers to his religion (cult?):P
Credo and his blind following of Sanctus (hello his name is CREDO:lol:) He just follows Sanctus like a puppy and doesn't change his mind until Kyrie is captured. Plus his dislike/ hatred of Agnus. I guess I could make something out of that too considering Agnus represent science. And traditionally religion and science have not got along at various points in history. I wish they'd made somethign more out of Credo's change of heart. Like some kind of belief shattering revelation where he has to question himself....oh well.....I'm rambling. :lol:

That's the thing. I've enjoyed hating DmC by a infinite order of magnitude more than I enjoyed playing it. I've enjoyed having discourse with people who agree and disagree with me a great deal. Hell, last night I explained how the picture of Dante holding Eva is a massive failure by comparing it to Pieta, and I probably wouldn't have been doing that otherwise.
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I don't think Eva was supposed to be christ like...well, it is the same pose... but I thought they were going for the style of Caravaggio. Just look at the image of Dante with the demon head and compre it to Coravaggio's David and Goliath.
 
AlchemistFromEden said:
last time i checked EVERY aspect of a game has to be good and not just combat, regardless of genre, and dmc4 was a fail in every aspect except for combat, but what do i know right, only in an art college for game design, animation and film
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While I do agree that every aspect of a game has to be good, stating what type of college you attend doesn't change the fact that what you said was as an opinion.
 
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