Is it really that bad?

[Macabre]

I got an SSS rank in 10 seconds in DMC3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUnulj7NKqlIQ7hmEi1jwJDg&v=ru52jEIHBME&feature=player_detailpage

Playing the same way in DmC. I could barely get an SS.

What, you mean by quickly comboing between multple weapons, using varied techniques, making liberal use of Devil Trigger, never getting hit, and all they while abusing the weakest enemies in the game? And even then you don't maintain SSS constantly because it's depleting so quickly (Although good use of taunts would probably remedy that).

What a boring way of getting triple S. Hitting an enemy with Arbiter four times is much more gratifying.

So far the only ****talking about other games is coming from you on this thread.

He prefaced his statement with the shorthand "Inb4" (As in "In before")to denote that he is pre-empting what people will say in reply to him, which you just did.

Also, not everyone is going to like this game. I can appreciate that, I just don't like it when they try to shove it in someone's mind so they can change their opinion. That white house petition still gets me.

Nobody is "Shoving their opinion in your mind". They are stating, sometimes factually, the shortcomings of DmC. If you are susceptible to changing your mind then that demonstrates that you have a capacity for understanding what other people say to you and an open mind required for intelligent reasoning. Be proud of yourself.

I'm not proud of the idiots who agree with me, but it's up to you to look beyond their stupid behaviour and come to your own conclusions.

There really are enough problems on practically every level in DmC that we have plenty to talk about on this sub-forum for a long time to come. Be thankful that people care enough about DmC that they're able to get this upset over it.

 

[MedicoreR]

Why exactly are you here then?

fun

 

[Rising Sun]

I find it hilarious that people can't admit that DmC's combat system just isn't as well-made as other action games, when all is said and done.

 

[Dante47]

I find it hilarious that people can't admit that DmC's combat system just isn't as well-made as other action games, when all is said and done.

Of course it isn't more complex. Some could find it more fun, but it does not allow the same kind of dexterity and complexity that Devil May Cry 3 and Devil May Cry 4.

Though, comparing it to MGR are something else isn't exactly fair, considering how different all action games are.

 

[Downfall]

No, it isn't that bad. It's actually quite good, when you look at it objectively. ^_^

 

[Judgement]

I find it hilarious that people can't admit that DmC's combat system just isn't as well-made as other action games, when all is said and done.

I agree with you man. I love DmC but I can't sit here and say certain aspects of it are as good as the previous games

 

[Rising Sun]

Though, comparing it to MGR are something else isn't exactly fair, considering how different all action games are.

What would count as a fair comparison, then?

 

[Loopy]

Nobody is "Shoving their opinion in your mind". They are stating, sometimes factually, the shortcomings of DmC. If you are susceptible to changing your mind then that demonstrates that you have a capacity for understanding what other people say to you and an open mind required for intelligent reasoning. Be proud of yourself.
I was going to say, I don't remember writing that quote, but it's from another topic:lol: The best way to be is to take in both sides. I don't see the point in drawing a line in the sand. My problems lies with extremists on both sides, who do seem to be shoving opinions at people. Sometimes it's like DMC has become a religion to me with the way people are so argumentative about it.
Really, I shouldn't be proud of myself. The DMC fan base has got such a bad name on both sides recently....and I'm part of it....I only came here to have fun>_<

I'm not proud of the idiots who agree with me, but it's up to you to look beyond their stupid behaviour and come to your own conclusions. Own conclusions influenced by others....I guess that's the way it is though. Make an informed choice based on the choices of others. Free will is an illusion...I'm going all Soul Reavery....:lol:

There really are enough problems on practically every level in DmC that we have plenty to talk about on this sub-forum for a long time to come. Be thankful that people care enough about DmC that they're able to get this upset over it.

There are problems in anything if one looks hard enough. And there's nothing to be thankful about when it's getting upset over a game. Sure maybe if people derive pleasure from bashing strangers on the internet over a game.....I'd rather this forum could have debates without the name calling and trolling. It's the problem of sifting through all that for some sanity.

I think my big complaint with DmC is the dodging system. It's so damn unresponsive>_< Everything else, I'm over it. Back to Mass Effect and the awesomeness of Femshep. Maleshep has the personality of a plank of wood (sorry maleshep fans)>_<

 

[Macabre]

I find it hilarious that people can't admit that DmC's combat system just isn't as well-made as other action games, when all is said and done.

It's certainly a massive improvement on Heavenly Sword and provides a distinctly different experience from God Of War, even if it's incredibly buggy even when compared to those games. To the neophytes who have never beaten Vergil on DMD with Swordmaster, it's probably a profound breath of fresh air.

 

[Rising Sun]

I agree with you man. I love DmC but I can't sit here and say certain aspects of it are as good as the previous games

Yeah, and there really isn't any excuse as to why DmC's combat couldn't have been better, especially considering how it could have learned a lot more from DMC3.

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You mind showing me a vid of Vergil DMD on SwordMaster? I'm more of a RG aficionado myself...

 

[Dante47]

What would count as a fair comparison, then?

Well, if we are to compare DmC to other hack and slash titles, the only fair ones would be Devil May Cry 3 and 4.

 

[Rising Sun]

Well, if we are to compare DmC to other hack and slash titles, the only fair ones would be Devil May Cry 3 and 4.

And DmC's combat system isn't as good as either one of those... the prosecution rests.

 

[Macabre]

What would count as a fair comparison, then?

Well, comparing DmC to a game that has already been released would be a good choice, because otherwise you are staking a claim to a work's quality when you haven't actually experienced it in it's entirety.

I despise DmC on many levels and like the way MGR looks, but without playing the full game there's a possibility that the entire game after the demo level consists of close ups on Raiden's butt and you press X to make him fart in your face.

i'm not into that. I doubt you are either. Don't throw your lot in with a game you haven't beaten yet.

Own conclusions influenced by others....I guess that's the way it is though. Make an informed choice based on the choices of others. Free will is an illusion...I'm going all Soul Reavery...

...you do realise that whenever you interact with another human being you are subject to their perspectives and opinions, right? Read the work of a philosopher some time.

There are problems in anything if one looks hard enough. And there's nothing to be thankful about when it's getting upset over a game. Sure maybe if people derive pleasure from bashing strangers on the internet over a game.....I'd rather this forum could have debates without the name calling and trolling. It's the problem of sifting through all that for some sanity.

Appealing for trolls to knock it off is like peeing against the wind. The only sensible recourse is to engage with them, discern how they go about their discourse, and then either continue to interact or ignore/report them when their behaviour crosses the line.

I've been around, and I've seen this play out so many times. There were flame wars over Final Fantasy VII's sci-fi themes diverging from the prior games well before it's release all over the BBS back in the day. There are still raging hissy fits thrown up over JJ Abrams Star Trek on dedicated forums. There are always the twits who quote 4chan on an issue incessantly, and there are always delicate people who can't understand why this happens opening threads to call out the people who disagree with them.

Ride the wave and enjoy it.

Back to Mass Effect and the awesomeness of Femshep. Maleshep has the personality of a plank of wood (sorry maleshep fans)>_<

I think he improved substantially by ME3, but by then it was all for naught...

 

[Dominus]

I think a lot of people feel that if you are going to reboot a series you better exceed expectations otherwise what was the point of it. DmC was a good game but the combat compared to DMC4 and DMC3 seemed lacking. But that concern was probably 10% of the total DMC fanbase so the lack of sales is probably due to the the game failing to get people excited on a superficial level (which is probably Capcom's fault). Like the edginess of the new Dante was such a minor component of the entire story, yet you saw that present in a lot of the trailers for this game (lol). I honestly feel Capcom did not market this game properly to western gamers... let alone the initial reveal and probably 1+ year after that reveal news and videos for this game felt soo lackluster.

 

[Rising Sun]

Well, comparing DmC to a game that has already been released would be a good choice, because otherwise you are staking a claim to a work's quality when you haven't actually experienced it in it's entirety.

I despise DmC on many levels and like the way MGR looks, but without playing the full game there's a possibility that the entire game after the demo level consists of close ups on Raiden's butt and you press X to make him fart in your face.

i'm not into that. I doubt you are either. Don't throw your lot in with a game you haven't beaten yet.

I said other action games. But you're right. No need to compare it with MGR until its release. So, I'll compare it with DMC4 and Bayonetta.

*plays superior games*

Well, it turns out I like them better. And I'll probably enjoy MGR more as well.

 

[Macabre]

I said other action games. MGR > DmC

 

[Rising Sun]

That's a sig stating my own personal tastes. I don't see the issue here.

 

[Dominus]

All I got to say is if I don't get a Iaido style (yah had to look that up...) sword move set with Raiden I'll rage just as much as I did when Nero couldn't use Yamato beyond devil triggered form...

 

[Loopy]

...you do realise that whenever you interact with another human being you are subject to their perspectives and opinions, right? Read the work of a philosopher some time.That was the point I was making. I do read you know. Or are we all uneducated peons now? I would hope you are also influenced by the encounters you have and the books that you read, but not enough that you lose the sense of self (whatever self is) . Of course people are influenced by interaction with others and a forum is no different. Well, actually it is because I doubt very few people would behave like this in real life.


Appealing for trolls to knock it off is like peeing against the wind. The only sensible recourse is to engage with them, discern how they go about their discourse, and then either continue to interact or ignore/report them when their behaviour crosses the line.Pee in the wind and get **** all over you. Yeah, I get it :lol: I don't see any point in reporting unless it's completely offensive and disgusting. Kiddy trolling is no sweat. Let the babies play with their toys.

I've been around, and I've seen this play out so many times. There were flame wars over Final Fantasy VII's sci-fi themes diverging from the prior games well before it's release all over the BBS back in the day. There are still raging hissy fits thrown up over JJ Abrams Star Trek on dedicated forums. There are always the twits who quote 4chan on an issue incessantly, and there are always delicate people who can't understand why this happens opening threads to call out the people who disagree with them.
I had no idea people had such a ****storm over FFVII. It was the game that got me into FF, and made me want to go back and play the others. Not going to defend it though. Anything is better than the pretty corridor advernture that was XIII. So linear.....:blink: Then there was SERAAAAHHHH! I so wanted to punch that guy. Lightning got there first though. :lol:

Ride the wave and enjoy it.
Got my surfboard out and ready to wipeout.

I think he improved substantially by ME3, but by then it was all for naught...

I know. It's like everything I had done in the previous games was for nothing! But I still like going through...a nostalgia trip if you will that ends with a bit of rage from me ^_^ Either way you slice it the ending was just.....:'( Femshep deserved better.

 

[Rising Sun]

All I got to say is if I don't get a Iaido style (yah had to look that up...) sword move set with Raiden I'll rage just as much as I did when Nero couldn't use Yamato beyond devil triggered form...

Don't count on it. That's like asking Vergil (in either one of his games) to use Yamato with both hands (Force Edge doesn't really count either, since you mostly use one hand with it as well in DMC3SE).

I would like Iaido as well, but it looks like it won't be happening. But, it's not something I would really miss, regardless.