DmC sources

[berto]

Yeah, but I can't imagin the angel thing been Capcom's, and while I appretiate the fact that jus because it has the name heavenly it doesn't mean that the angels came from it, specially since there are no angels in HS, I get the feeling that the want to have some kind of devine presence in the game might've come from having one in HS.

 

[chocolateghost79]

Yeah, but I can't imagin the angel thing been Capcom's, and while I appretiate the fact that jus because it has the name heavenly it doesn't mean that the angels came from it, specially since there are no angels in HS, I get the feeling that the want to have some kind of devine presence in the game might've come from having one in HS.

yeah i could imagine the idea came from ninja theory. if there are angels in the game, i hope they are as creative, elegant, and grotesque as the angels portrayed in bayonetta! ^.^ usually when i think of angels i think of these boring people with wings and white robes, and that's about it, but bayonetta really put the new standard of what i define an angel! but i hope DmC doesn't just copy bayonetta's ideas.

 

[berto]

Well, the Limbo and Purgatory elements seem similar, they might've taken that from Bayonetta.

 

[CoolDemon]

Z218 what you said about Capcom being ninjas because they are japanese and what i have said is not alike.

We have seen Ninja theory use Heavenly sword ideas:
1) Stances
2) Cutscene finishers

And building on that considering Ninja theory are a game company and game companies (the ones who suck at coming up with ideas) borrow ideas from other games its highly possible.

Trip an Nariko has both red hair and both female. Very little similarities other than red hair and gender - but they used same hair and gender for Trip.

In Heavenly sword Kai supported Nariko somewhat
This form of "support" became focus of Enslaved with Trip and Monkey teamwork.

Heavenly sword also used ideas from God Of War. That is why there is two swords and armor of Kratos in Heavenly sword game.



So with all that said:
We have seen ideas from Heavenly sword be used - it´s highly possible the angel idea comes from the word "Heavenly" and this can be tracked to the game.

 

[Asmodaius]

Have you ever played Heavenly Sword? If you have, then you would know that there is nothing "heavenly" about the game. There are no angels or angelic powers in Heavenly Sword at all. If anything, the weapon Nariko uses is a cursed sword which gives her supernatural strength as long she uses it, but will eventually consume her soul after having used it for too long.

No, DmC Dante's angelic powers has NOTHING to do with Heavenly Sword. The weapon-switching-on-the-fly is, however.

 

[LordOfDarkness]

I don't really get the aim of this thread as such. I think you could sit here all day and pick at potentially sources of inspiration for something. I mean, is it really just about the way in which something relates to something else that we can think it must of been a source of inspiration? It depends on how you view it really. Some get inspired differently than others.

I won't say this is a source of inspiration, but for me it's a comparison. If any of you know me, you'll know that I love The Matrix films. Now the reason why I feel The Matrix is a comparison to this, is because of how similar certain things are.

Dante and Neo are alike in the sense that they don't know the truth about the world around them. It's only until they start to look at it more and more that they uncover the truth. They also don't know the extent of their strength. And they also understand that they will always be human in some way.

For storyline, it's about breaking free. Dante breaking free from the clutches of evil. And Neo doing the same. So for me, in my eyes, there's a few things that compare between the two.

 

[CoolDemon]

The aim of this thread is to find definite inspiration or sources of ideas.
For example Punk movement is a definite inspiration to DmC.

But it´s also to discuss the possibility of something being an inspiration to DmC or source of ideas for it.

Here is a good example that that hit me when you mentioned Matrix. In Matrix the machines kinda "harvest" humans. I thought of Enslaved:
In Enslaved, players take on the role of Monkey, a strong and athletic, yet solitary figure, who has been captured by one of the mysterious slave ships, which harvest the remaining population and take them out west never to return.

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Now it´s true you could mention potential inspiration or source of ideas. But you can weed out the ones that´s less likely to be true and ones that have high possibility of being true can be discuessed further.


NEW DIRECTION:
Could the angel race come from David Hume? Tameem described DmC Dante as someone in between good and evil. And David Hume was someone who were known for such philosphical thoughts.

And we even see quote from David Hume.
So could Angel race come entirely from David Hume?

Angel race come from Heavenly sword in percentage : around 30% i´d say.
Angel race coming from David Hume : Around 65% id say.

 

[berto]

There is no question that Inception was a source, NT even called the shifting landscape as Inception animation.

 

[CoolDemon]

I thought the term Inception was established before? Are you saying that Inception movie introdudced that word/term?

 

[Asmodaius]

From what we have seen from screenshots, the backgrounds and such do make you wonder if they were inspired from Inception. The whole "the city is alive" does smell like Inception to me.

@ LoD:
Devil May Cry might not directly be inspired from The Matrix, but as you said, there are indeed some comparisons. Not just Dante's whole long-coat look, but also the anti-gravity movements and fighting, so it makes sense.

@ CoolDemon:
The whole slave harvesting in Enslaved does indeed sound The Matrix inspired, even with the cocoon-like cells and all, and it is also "man against the machines" and "Big Brother" theme, so I have no doubt that Enslaved is inspired by The Matrix to some degree.

However, I heavily disagree that any angel inspiration in DmC comes from Heavenly Sword. As I mentioned in a post above, there are nothing angelic about Heavenly Sword as such. When Nariko becomes possessed by the sword, she looks more like a demonic ghost than an angel to me.

 

[berto]

Well, pretty much the only part of inception they're using are from the scenes when DiCaprio was training Page. The cafe scene where things blow up but then slow down have been pretty blaitently ripped off here, and the shifting city animates in a similar fashion.

 

[CoolDemon]

Well, pretty much the only part of inception they're using are from the scenes when DiCaprio was training Page. The cafe scene where things blow up but then slow down have been pretty blaitently ripped off here, and the shifting city animates in a similar fashion.

Ah, you mean the buildings changing is obvious definite Inception inspiration?
Well i will make that green then.

 

[berto]

Well, yes, but I'm also saying that, so far, the only part they've used is the way things blew up and sudenly went into slow or frozen in the cafe scene and when Page in been trained and shifting the city around.

 

[CoolDemon]

Well, yes, but I'm also saying that, so far, the only part they've used is the way things blew up and sudenly went into slow or frozen in the cafe scene and when Page in been trained and shifting the city around.

Could you show me exactly where in DmC video things go "Inception" and also provide similar scene of Inception?
Then i can see what your thinking.

 

[berto]

In the TGS '11 trailer, the feris wheel and the mary-go-round(?) partially explode but then the fragmensts freeze in mid air. The new barriers work on a similar fashion, boom, freeze! And the streets kinda do too. Check the demo footage.


Pasting from another thread since there is relevance here:

A while back someone made a post with pictures of DMC2 and DmC to point out some of the heavy similareties. That thread is gone but there is still a debate going.

Kinda new DmC enemy pics. As you can see in the following comparison they look like variants of the DMC 2 enemimes (thus why i bumped this thread). And yes these are the actual names (at least i hope for now) of the DmC enemies.
Agonofinis (DMC 2) on the left and Warrior Drone (DmC) on the right

Demonochorus (DMC 2) on the left and Stinger (DmC) on the right

Tartarussian & Plutonian (DMC 2) on the top and Tank Drone (DmC) below them.

 

[Tiran]

From what we have seen from screenshots, the backgrounds and such do make you wonder if they were inspired from Inception. The whole "the city is alive" does smell like Inception to me.

@ LoD:
Devil May Cry might not directly be inspired from The Matrix, but as you said, there are indeed some comparisons. Not just Dante's whole long-coat look, but also the anti-gravity movements and fighting, so it makes sense.

@ CoolDemon:
The whole slave harvesting in Enslaved does indeed sound The Matrix inspired, even with the cocoon-like cells and all, and it is also "man against the machines" and "Big Brother" theme, so I have no doubt that Enslaved is inspired by The Matrix to some degree.

However, I heavily disagree that any angel inspiration in DmC comes from Heavenly Sword. As I mentioned in a post above, there are nothing angelic about Heavenly Sword as such. When Nariko becomes possessed by the sword, she looks more like a demonic ghost than an angel to me.

Actually, the concept of the cocoon shells came from the Journey to the west tale. Monkey was born from an egg. That's why Ninja theory chose to have their monkey come from an egg-like cell. God! you guys look to far into these things!

 

[CoolDemon]

Actually, the concept of the cocoon shells came from the Journey to the west tale. Monkey was born from an egg. That's why Ninja theory chose to have their monkey come from an egg-like cell. God! you guys look to far into these things!

Then join us brathaaaaaaaa and enlighteen us in this discussion

 

[Asmodaius]

Actually, the concept of the cocoon shells came from the Journey to the west tale. Monkey was born from an egg. That's why Ninja theory chose to have their monkey come from an egg-like cell. God! you guys look to far into these things!

Yes, I know the story, and I know Enslaved is based on that story. But the whole idea of "harvesting slaves" sounds alot like The Matrix, and again, the "man against the machine" theme that runs through Enslaved also sounds alot like The Matrix, and other media with the same theme (because it's not like The Matrix were the first and only ones to have made a story with that theme... they just did it quite well).

 

[GamblingGambitCloud]

I thought the term Inception was established before? Are you saying that Inception movie introdudced that word/term?

The definition of the word "inception" does not mean a shift in environment lol. I played HS and I attest that there are no angels, you can't get 30% angelic inspiration from that. Let's see, others have philosophized about the boundaries between good and evil, hell with that logic I can say that Spongebob and Plankton were the sources of inspiration there. The idea of humans being enslaved and harvested is not something introduced via The Matrix. I could give countless other examples: The Darkness, War of the Worlds, The Bodysnatchers, various episodes of The Twilight Zone. Need I go on? Oh wait....Twilight Zone....Twilight....OMG DANTE IS A GAY SPARKLY HALF-DEMON! THERE MUST BE A CONNECTION! See what LoD is saying? You only see what you look for, it's a process in psychology.

 

[Asmodaius]

The definition of the word "inception" does not mean a shift in environment lol. I played HS and I attest that there are no angels, you can't get 30% angelic inspiration from that. Let's see, others have philosophized about the boundaries between good and evil, hell with that logic I can say that Spongebob and Plankton were the sources of inspiration there. The idea of humans being enslaved and harvested is not something introduced via The Matrix. I could give countless other examples: The Darkness, War of the Worlds, The Bodysnatchers, various episodes of The Twilight Zone. Need I go on? Oh wait....Twilight Zone....Twilight....OMG DANTE IS A GAY SPARKLY HALF-DEMON! THERE MUST BE A CONNECTION! See what LoD is saying? You only see what you look for, it's a process in psychology.

I like the Twilight Zone = Twilight = Sparkly Vampire Dante reference. XD

You are quite right though, there are MANY examples on the whole Good VS Evil, Man VS Machine, Humans VS Demons, Young Rebels VS Politicians. There are only so many stories to tell, but there are MANY ways of telling them. And I think The Matrix did quite a good job telling the Man VS Machine story in such a memorable way which is the reason why people use it as one of the prime examples. Also, because of the Twilight saga, people now relate everything about vampires to Twilight... It's sad, but true.

Therefore it is hard to guess the source of inspiration NT might have used, as it could be whatever within that genre. As LoD said, he always thought Capcom used The Matrix as source of inspiration for Dante in the original DMC when in fact they used Blade. That doesn't mean that Dante doesn't look like he's inspired from The Matrix, however.