Innsmouth
Sleeping DMC Fan
now looking at reviews DmC did got much more positive feedback. So if the ride sheer by it, it's simple.
"DMC Series' Future = Uncertain" Says Kobayashi
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Foxtrot94
Elite Hunter
Reviews don't count that much when it comes to sequels. And fan feedback is actually more positive on DMC4SE (ever since its announcement, even). Even Kobayashi knows it now.
No reason to take for granted a "DmC2 or nothing" scenario.
Innsmouth
Sleeping DMC Fan
Oh well. I hope you're right, despite both Itsuno and Kobayashi interviews giving me different impression so far
AgentRedgrave
Legendary Devil Hunter
True. The user score on Metacrtic was 7 for DmC DE, and 8/10 for DMC4 SE the last I checked
That reminds me, does anybody think 77 is mixed? I had this guy who's been trolling on youtube for like 3 years now, come at me going "DMC4 SE only got 73 on Metacritic, game was mixed you lost" (Yes he's that stupid, he keeps calling this a war and compares people who dislike DmC to terrorists...I'm not joking) I said to him "Uh It's 77 and that's overall positive. If it was in the 50's or 60's that be mixed" then this guy was all "Nu uh, 70-80 is some positive and some negative, while 50-60 is critically panned"...Now to ME a score of 70-80 indicate more positives then negatives, while 50-60 is more borderline.
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Foxtrot94
Elite Hunter
True. 70 or higher means beyond sufficiency. Meaning that the rating is positive.
Chancey289
Fake Geek Girl.
Don't trust or even acknowledge stuff like Metacritic.
Director Bison
King of Games
@AgentRedgrave i don't know why so many idiots think 5 is this horrible awful thing
5 is 5 it's average it means there's some good stuff and not so good stuff
that's why it's 5 between 1 and 10
Dirge of Cerberus: Final Fantasy VII got a 5.7 on metacritic and i love that game
so many people forget that anything below 5 even exists
5 is 5 it's average it means there's some good stuff and not so good stuff
that's why it's 5 between 1 and 10
Dirge of Cerberus: Final Fantasy VII got a 5.7 on metacritic and i love that game
so many people forget that anything below 5 even exists
More like Schrödinger's cat situation.
Foxtrot94
Elite Hunter
:banghead: :facepalm:
[SARCASM] Flawless logic. [/SARCASM]
Seriously man, sometimes I seriously wonder if you're a troll of something.
Demi-fiend
Metempsychosis
I have a feeling that it's not even in the planning stages because Capcom's too cheap to spend time discussing anything that isn't Street Fighter.
Even if they are planning something, or are eventually going to plan a game in the years ahead, it'll most likely be thrown together in about five minutes -- I don't think that they even care at this point.
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LordOfDarkness
The Dark Avenger © †
That's a good concern to have though @Vergilius, right? Nobody wants Capcom to rush DMC 5. That's where I'm worried. Yes, I'd like a DMC 5. But if they just rush it out without taking a lot of things into consideration, then that's not cool because they've had enough time to at least plan something.
That's why I find them to be very undecided on the direction they're going to take. DMC, DmC or even another reboot/remake/reimagining. And with that level of uncertainty, it's difficult to hold faith in them going the right way about it.
That's why I find them to be very undecided on the direction they're going to take. DMC, DmC or even another reboot/remake/reimagining. And with that level of uncertainty, it's difficult to hold faith in them going the right way about it.
Enigma
Crimson Sentinel
Couldn't resist responding, despite my attempt to cut back on the time spent here. First off, the fact that the DMC series' future is uncertain, is not news. I'm pretty sure either Itsuno or Kobayashi already made it clear in an interview regarding DMC4 SE a while ago.
''The series isn't dead, not as long as they can milk funds from it.''
I find this a bit of a strange thing to say, almost hostile even. How do you know Capcom is going to 'milk' DMC if they continue the series? DMC4 was a great game that introduced a new protagonist, for use in possible further installments. My point is, the story of DMC hasn't ended yet... in fact, Capcom has many avenues they could explore:
- A game about Nero, about how he is going to become even stronger than Dante... a game that explains where his arm came from and whether or not Vergil is really dead. And whether or not Vergil is his father (I don't know if DMC4 SE has explained this, I haven't played it yet).
- A game about Sparda, to explain what led to Sparda's rebellion (or even his death), or maybe something that further explains why the characters are the way they are.
- A new game about Dante, as he goes through hell to defeat Mundus's allies, or Mundus himself if he has been resurrected like DMC4 seems to imply. Or maybe he'll find Nelo Angelo there... basically, they could go with the story they intended to make for DMC4. Dante going through hell while Nero fights enemies in the human world, or both of them going through different versions of hell (the Fire Hell, Ice Hell, etc). It could open up some nice interaction between Dante and Nero gameplay-wise as well as story-wise.
- Maybe even a game about Vergil, about what happened in the time Dante didn't see him, when Vergil was still a kid. There's so many possibilities.
In summary, they haven't milked anything up to this point (not counting the rehash of DMC3 Vergil they threw into DMC4 SE). At least nothing of major importance. And I have no reason to think they'll milk anything with DMC5. Each DMC game was sufficiently different from the previous one, each one had an okay story to tell, and Capcom still has many avenues to explore. And I'm not even counting any new ideas they might come up with themselves.
Maybe Kobayashi didn't sound very enthusiastic to you...? I don't know, but I don't think we can jump to the kind of conclusion you made.
Even if Capcom aren't sure of themselves, of what they should do with DMC5 story-wise, all they need to do is read fans' ideas and realize that they threw away DMC4's original plot... which they could alter and adapt to the point where they're satisfied with it.
''The series isn't dead, not as long as they can milk funds from it.''
I find this a bit of a strange thing to say, almost hostile even. How do you know Capcom is going to 'milk' DMC if they continue the series? DMC4 was a great game that introduced a new protagonist, for use in possible further installments. My point is, the story of DMC hasn't ended yet... in fact, Capcom has many avenues they could explore:
- A game about Nero, about how he is going to become even stronger than Dante... a game that explains where his arm came from and whether or not Vergil is really dead. And whether or not Vergil is his father (I don't know if DMC4 SE has explained this, I haven't played it yet).
- A game about Sparda, to explain what led to Sparda's rebellion (or even his death), or maybe something that further explains why the characters are the way they are.
- A new game about Dante, as he goes through hell to defeat Mundus's allies, or Mundus himself if he has been resurrected like DMC4 seems to imply. Or maybe he'll find Nelo Angelo there... basically, they could go with the story they intended to make for DMC4. Dante going through hell while Nero fights enemies in the human world, or both of them going through different versions of hell (the Fire Hell, Ice Hell, etc). It could open up some nice interaction between Dante and Nero gameplay-wise as well as story-wise.
- Maybe even a game about Vergil, about what happened in the time Dante didn't see him, when Vergil was still a kid. There's so many possibilities.
In summary, they haven't milked anything up to this point (not counting the rehash of DMC3 Vergil they threw into DMC4 SE). At least nothing of major importance. And I have no reason to think they'll milk anything with DMC5. Each DMC game was sufficiently different from the previous one, each one had an okay story to tell, and Capcom still has many avenues to explore. And I'm not even counting any new ideas they might come up with themselves.
Maybe Kobayashi didn't sound very enthusiastic to you...? I don't know, but I don't think we can jump to the kind of conclusion you made.
Even if Capcom aren't sure of themselves, of what they should do with DMC5 story-wise, all they need to do is read fans' ideas and realize that they threw away DMC4's original plot... which they could alter and adapt to the point where they're satisfied with it.
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LordOfDarkness
The Dark Avenger © †
@Daimon Leon: I just wanted to respond to the part where you mentioned that this isn't news. That's fair enough, but I think people are just wanting to discuss it really and share their concerns, hopes and optimisms and all of that kind of stuff.
Enigma
Crimson Sentinel
Sure, I understand. But there's got to be more than one thread about this, right? Also, the topic of this thread doesn't seem to be that the DMC series' future is uncertain: the last line of the first post asks which of the two game series will continue, or both. Maybe it would've been better if the thread title fit better the message OP was trying to convey.
But yeah, fair enough.
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AgentRedgrave
Legendary Devil Hunter
The jack@$$ I was talking about was the one who came at me with DMC4's Metacritic score, and I countered that the user score was higher.
I also said to him
"So now scores matter? Well the original release had an 84, so I can use the same argument to say you're lying about the game being bad."
I used the term lying, because the individual I speak of has frequently accused people of lying.
LordOfDarkness
The Dark Avenger © †
@AgentRedgrave: Is this the same guy you messaged me about? What other places have scored it lower than 8/10? Even a 7/10 is still considered good, by my standards anyway. 8-10/10 is obviously great - even more awesome. I wouldn't call that mixed. For me, mixed would be like some rating it 5-7/10 and others rating it 7-10/10.
Yeah, there probably are a couple of threads similar to this one. I did actually merge one thread into one of these ones concerning this subject because there seemed like too many threads about the same thing. But it happens sometimes where identical topics are created. It's hard to monitor what each one is bringing in terms of news articles, opinions and the like. So it's sometimes easier just to allow a couple to coexist as quite often one thread becomes posted in more so and becomes the main thread anyway for whichever/whatever thing is being discussed.
That's fine man. I understood where you were coming from. I guess that was all the OP meant by that comment. That was merely their view on things. I guess they could explain in a bit more depth why they think or feel that way, but that'd be up to them.
Yeah, there probably are a couple of threads similar to this one. I did actually merge one thread into one of these ones concerning this subject because there seemed like too many threads about the same thing. But it happens sometimes where identical topics are created. It's hard to monitor what each one is bringing in terms of news articles, opinions and the like. So it's sometimes easier just to allow a couple to coexist as quite often one thread becomes posted in more so and becomes the main thread anyway for whichever/whatever thing is being discussed.
That's fine man. I understood where you were coming from. I guess that was all the OP meant by that comment. That was merely their view on things. I guess they could explain in a bit more depth why they think or feel that way, but that'd be up to them.
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AgentRedgrave
Legendary Devil Hunter
The very same, yes.
Anybody wondering, I called this individual out on his behavior, and told him if he's such a true DMC fan (His opinion, anyone who likes DMC4 is no true DMC fan, but a "Lying camp homo twilight s#!t fan", that doesn't deserve to be called a DMC fan. For the record, I'd still be against this behavior even if it was people who like DmC, no even DMC2 my least favorite, he was talking about) then he should come here (I was counting on even the people who like DmC to call him out for his behavior) he refused, and accused him of already being here and getting banned. So I asked LordOfDarkness, to see if my suspicions had any merit.
Enigma
Crimson Sentinel
Lol, that guy reminds me of somebody I talked to not long ago on YouTube. He kept calling DMC4 Dante 'Donte', as though he doesn't even know where the name 'Donte' originated from (DmC). Kept calling Nero emo without really explaining why, said DMC4 was *based on or heavily inspired by Twilight* for some reason... just weird. I think he had a profile picture of Vagrant Story.
But no, 77 is not mixed, I would categorize it as ''very good''. Mixed is when many reviewers score the game differently, like when one reviewer scores it a 5 or 6/10 while another might give it an 8/10. I'm not sure I've ever seen mixed being used as an indicator of a singular score.
And if everyone who dislikes DmC is a terrorist, I guess we live in a society mostly populated by terrorists, lol.
In my mind, it goes something like this:
50/100 is bad, anything above that is mediocre.
60/100 is decent.
70/100 is good.
80/100 is great.
90/100 is excellent/outstanding, whatever.
100/100 is... amazing? Kind of hard to define this one in one word, especially when everyone has a different mental image that goes with certain words.
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LordOfDarkness
The Dark Avenger © †
@Daimon Leon: 100/100 is SSStylish.