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DmC: Eastern to Western

That's not biker fashion. I don't know who wears that when cruising around on a Harley or something. Yea, it looks stupid.
The leather material is worn by bikers...it's a choice between wearing that or getting badly injured. However, the style of DMC4 Dante's outfit is definitely cowboy inspired...he's got the buckle, the assless chaps, the style of the jacket as well looks cowboy to me. I wish they'd given him a hat to match, then he could have done rodeo on Berial in true cowboy style:P
 
Those are biker pants,it's leather and has a lot of zippers. Where the hell did you see leather and zipper and such at a cowboy?
Don't assume it looks stupid just because you don't like it personally.
When I hear the word biker stuff like this comes to mind:
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Yea, no one really dresses like a gaudy Vegas rodeo clown.
 
Ignorance. But if you go on the first page of this thread and actually search it into Google you'll find pants like those. Then again,you didn't answered,where you find cowboys dressed in leather and zipper?
And as I said,it's you opinion,this doesn't mean others have to hate it too.
 
Here we go again with, "We don't mean to offend when we say dante is gay".

First of all, Dante was never mentioned as gay in DMC. So to call someone who isn't gay as gay is offensive. Don't defend it with bullcrap like being gay is okay.There is a difference between accepting someone is gay and to call someone gay when they are not. If someone is actually gay and if they are ridiculed by others calling them gay, then this response is appropriate with the message that "There is nothing wrong in being gay".


I think you're still on this bent that somewhere along the way NT called Dante, any Dante, "gay." They didn't. Not in that conference, and nowhere else.

It's a retarded implication people drew because of Dante being 'shopped into a photo of some "gay cowboys," when the entire purpose of the image had nothing to do with homosexuality, and everything to do with "Western ideals."

The entire point of that conference was that while classic Dante was always expressed as being a Western dude, his design was in fact not Western at all, and was Japan's flamboyantly stylized idea of occidental elements (it being a game at all). As Acorn displays above, the conferences talks about how the Western idea of a hero, in this day an age, is not about how the character dresses, but their exploits. Images of classic Dante in very much Western movies (which deals with much more down-to-earth realism) shows that while even though Dante was originally intended to be a very American-like guy, he wasn't at all, even when displayed next to salt-of-the-earth, everyday working cowboys (homosexuality notwithstanding, and wholly aside from the entire point).

Even when put in more common clothing in DMC2 thanks to the support of the DIESEL clothier, that style of dress is still incredibly not your everyday American. Seriously...who wears a zebra-print ascot...? A more important factor is that overall, Japan's style of dress is very unisex, or at least they have no qualms with menswear looking slightly more feminine. DMC1 Dante is wearing his mother's jacket for chrissakes! And of course...dat ascot. Occidental clothing design puts a lot more effort into differentiating men and women's clothing - despite women looking pretty damn good in men's clothing anyway >.<

In that same conference, there's the Famitus discussion translated where the art director was tasked with making Dante more Western-looking, which confused Taini because Capcom had always designed Dante with a much more occidental style, so he was trying to figure out what they really wanted, or at least what they really meant by "Western," which sorta ends up being "gritty realism," so to speak. In the end though, looking at classic Dante's style of dress compared to the sort of style we see in everyday America, or punk culture, or anything else that's very distinctly "our side of the Pacific," classic Dante stands out too much because of that very Japanese style (which by no means am I saying is bad).
 
I don't think only in anime you see that,but to judge it only from a cutscene..err.. DMC4 Dante didn't look 'anime' to me though.


It's not really a "look," it's a feel. The way action is portrayed, and carried out is very much done in an anime-like capacity. Or it might be better to say in a very "Asian-like" capacity.

Asians put a lot of effort into making action seem like a dance, neatly choreographed and with succinct points, from how people flourish their weapons (Dante swinging around Alastor in slow-motion), to how everything sometimes follows a specific timing (like demons falling when Vergil fully sheaths Yamato). It's all played for dramatic effect and to make the action more entertaining, just like when two samurai slice past each other and we get a silent moment of tension before we know who took a grievous injury.

It's very different than the type of action we have here in the West, where it's very visceral and tries to exemplify it as a chaotic mess, rather than gracefully violent dance like in Asian cinema.
 
It's not really a "look," it's a feel. The way action is portrayed, and carried out is very much done in an anime-like capacity. Or it might be better to say in a very "Asian-like" capacity.

Asians put a lot of effort into making action seem like a dance, neatly choreographed and with succinct points, from how people flourish their weapons (Dante swinging around Alastor in slow-motion), to how everything sometimes follows a specific timing (like demons falling when Vergil fully sheaths Yamato). It's all played for dramatic effect and to make the action more entertaining, just like when two samurai slice past each other and we get a silent moment of tension before we know who took a grievous injury.

It's very different than the type of action we have here in the West, where it's very visceral and tries to exemplify it as a chaotic mess, rather than gracefully violent dance like in Asian cinema.
This is a reason I prefer it when Asians make the action seem more grecefully yet deadly.Then again it's a supernatural and fantasy based game,so I don't what to expect more than inhuman powers.
 
I think you're still on this bent that somewhere along the way NT called Dante, any Dante, "gay." They didn't. Not in that conference, and nowhere else.

It's a retarded implication people drew because of Dante being 'shopped into a photo of some "gay cowboys," when the entire purpose of the image had nothing to do with homosexuality, and everything to do with "Western ideals."

bad).
Its not the picture with the cowboys that makes me think he's calling old Dante gay

It's the Joel Schumacher Batman and Robin, really, you expect me to believe that wasn't saying anything about Original Dante being gay? Using the movie that introduced the world to Bat Nipples
 
Its not the picture with the cowboys that makes me think he's calling old Dante gay

It's the Joel Schumacher Batman and Robin, really, you expect me to believe that wasn't saying anything about Original Dante being gay? Using the movie that introduced the world to Bat Nipples
That's totally not the point they are tying to make. You're way off.
 
This is a reason I prefer it when Asians make the action seem more grecefully yet deadly.Then again it's a supernatural and fantasy based game,so I don't what to expect more than inhuman powers.


I tend to love Asian action a bit more as well, myself, if only because Wester cinema has embraced the "shaky-cam" as part of its standard action scenario. I actually like to see what going on in the action movie I paid for, thank you very much :/

Asian cinema tries to keep the shaky-cam to a minimum, and uses it in such a way when it's actually very beneficial to the kind of action being portrayed - like if the director actually wants you to feel it's a chaotic mess, and usually at those points it's not about seeing the choreography, but feeling how utterly confusing the battle is supposed to be.

It's really great that people like John Woo have been able to influence how action is portrayed onscreen, even here in Western cinema, which is why we're starting to get this blurred line between them. Look at The Musketeer! A fabulous movie about friggin' medieval fencing, choreographed like a goddamn Asian epic! It was awesome!
 
I tend to enjoy Asian horror films more than the ones here. I've seen some very unique and bizarre films that I love from the eastern side of horror. Good horror today in Hollywood are few and far between. Indie films seem to be doing a decent job with the genre though. Oooo I want to see the Maniac remake with Elijah Wood.
 
I tend to enjoy Asian horror films more than the ones here. I've seen some very unique and bizarre films that I love from the eastern side of horror. Good horror today in Hollywood are few and far between. Indie films seem to be doing a decent job with the genre though. Oooo I want to see the Maniac remake with Elijah Wood.

You changed the topic, I win
 
Its not the picture with the cowboys that makes me think he's calling old Dante gay

It's the Joel Schumacher Batman and Robin, really, you expect me to believe that wasn't saying anything about Original Dante being gay? Using the movie that introduced the world to Bat Nipples

I think he used that particular Batman and Robin because they and especially the movie they come from are the perfect examples of a gaudy-as-F*CK standout superhero theme. Bright, massively flashy, visually in your face, etc.

F*ckin neon guns. Not asking for realism, but... Srsly?
 
I think he used that particular Batman and Robin because they and especially the movie they come from are the perfect examples of a gaudy-as-F*CK standout superhero theme. Bright, massively flashy, visually in your face, etc.

F*ckin neon guns. Not asking for realism, but... Srsly?

And it's funny because it's an American made movie

Ninja Theory: Home of Hypocrites.
 
Really? Then pray tell, what was the point?
Dante is basically a superhero. Demonic powers and being able to preform incredible things and all that good stuff. The character on the right is Andrew from Chronicle. Saying the intention was to make Dante more of a tragic character with superpowers and also being more down to earth. The left representing how Dante was very cartoony and cheesy wearing these flamboyant costumes. Kind of like Batman and Robin but not nearly as bad.

You're the one saying Batman and Robin is gay.
 
Its not the picture with the cowboys that makes me think he's calling old Dante gay

It's the Joel Schumacher Batman and Robin, really, you expect me to believe that wasn't saying anything about Original Dante being gay? Using the movie that introduced the world to Bat Nipples


Right, because the first thing people think of when they see Batman and Robin is "gay." Wait...sh!t...okay...maybe it's the second...

Anyway, Batman and Robin was just a decent example of how costumed superheroes are portrayed and...sometimes mocked...because of the designs. It's much in the same way that Dante's crimson flamboyance betrayed his "everyman" look.

"Why didn't they use Nolan's Batman in comparison then?" you ask? Because Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy went to great lengths to establish the costumed superhero in a way that was grounded to realism and was able to retain the movie's grittier plot. Batman's "costume" was actually less a costume and more of a completely practical suit, it was armor, and it housed his gadgets, and ended up working really damn well for his entire "fear of the bat" thang he was going for :p Remember how in Batman Begins, pretty much everything on his suit has some sort of practical use.

Unfortunately, Bat Nipples had no practical use for the world. Although I do remember a statement by Shumacher about the costume design having something to do with emulating the breastplates of Roman soldiers, in such a way that it was supposed to be demoralizing to the enemy to see what looked like a naked human torso taking a sword slash and laughing it off, bearing no bloody injury :p.
 
Dante is basically a superhero. Demonic powers and being able to preform incredible things and all that good stuff. The character on the right is Andrew from Chronicle. Saying the intention was to make Dante more of a tragic character with superpowers and also being more down to earth. The left representing how Dante was very cartoony and cheesy wearing these flamboyant costumes. Kind of like Batman and Robin but not nearly as bad.

You're the one saying Batman and Robin is gay.
While I agree the DMC4 design was a little bit..way too eccentric for Dante,he is a guy with style afterall,but I still prefer him in the previous outfits rather than the one in the fourth game.You can still have a sad past and feeling alone and put on a facade of happiness.
 
Dante is basically a superhero. Demonic powers and being able to preform incredible things and all that good stuff. The character on the right is Andrew from Chronicle. Saying the intention was to make Dante more of a tragic character with superpowers and also being more down to earth. The left representing how Dante was very cartoony and cheesy wearing these flamboyant costumes. Kind of like Batman and Robin but not nearly as bad.

You're the one saying Batman and Robin is gay.

Because "F*ck you" is a down to Earth saying.
Because noone would show off if they had that kind of power
Because Batnipples aren't gay in the slightest
 
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