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Classic Dante v. Rebooted Dante (The Old and the New)


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Again, why try something new when the majority didn't ask for that to begin with, and was fine with things as they were? All the past games sold just fine. Capcom's only reason to reboot should have been because the majority didn't like the past games, and didn't spend money on the games.

Like DMC1 going to DMC3? How hypocritical.
That's just factually not the case. All the past games sold well, way better than DmC at that. Furthermore, the fans took the time to buy the HD remakes just to show Capcom the error in their ways to do a reboot. We loved classic DMC, and we loved Classic Dante. Our money was and is still available to Capcom once they give up on this reboot, and get a better company (ideally Platinum games) to make DMC5.

It's quite simple really.


No its not because P* suck when it comes to story, and their gameplay have nothing close to DMC, so f*ck that horrible idea.
 
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F#cking God, dude.

I was saying the people who love the game for its higher overall difficulty are probably not the majority, and that higher overall difficulty they love so much was actually something preventing many others from enjoying the game. I'm not talking about the literaly higher difficulties, like Dante Must Die, I'm talking about its overall difficulty, where DMC's "Easy" is another game's "Hard" or whatever.

And seriously, quit trying to take these stupid little jabs about "hurr hurr logic." I'm so sick of that sh!t...


I didn't mean that as an insult, I just meant that what I think is logical is not as important as other people's views. You said the difficulty curve isn't as steep as in DMC. I misinterpreted that. Sorry for the mix-up. I'm glad you explained in more detail, though.
 
P* games is the greatest. Anyone who disagrees with me is wrong.


Then I must be the wrongest person on the face of the Earth. F*ck it, call me good loser Kumagawa for being so wrong.
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Then I must be the wrongest person on the face of the Earth. F*ck it, call me good loser Kumagawa for being so wrong.
Nah, just on this forum. :troll:
I didn't mean that as an insult, I just meant that what I think is logical is not as important as other people's views. Sorry for the mix-up. I'm glad you explained in more detail, though.
Thank you for showing a little humility.
 
It's not even all that dramatic. DMC1, 2, 3, and 4 all sold well. Furthermore, all 4 of those games sold way better than DmC. And finally, the DMC HD remakes also sold well. These are all facts.

What standard of sold "well" and sold "poor" are you even using? Because DmC, while it didn't break a gajillion units, the standard of selling over a million is considered pretty damn good.

Now, it's correct that my assertion of Classic DMC being better than DmC is just an opinion. This is 100% true. But guess what? My opinion is shared by the vast majority of DMC fans, hence the reason the past games sold better than the new one.

And our opinion is shared by many other people as well. You have no way of cleanly saying "vast majority" because unless we decided to take a headcount, we're never gonna know. So quit throwing around that blanket number to make your opinion sound stronger than it is :/
 
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They did not dramatically sell better, the last great DMC for me which I would consider DMC3 sold about 1.2 million copies, so arguably the best DMC combat wise sold about as well as DmC has so far. And you don't have prove to be able to say, the vast majority of DMC fans. I just find it difficult to swallow that actual DMC fans who played DmC and gave the gameplay a real chance would be like "nah, they ruined it, this game isn't DMC," because honestly it still has a really deep combat system, which is unlike anything else on the market.
 
If sales did all the talking, then Bayonetta would have sold more for being such a supposedly incredible game...The game sold poorly enough for no one but Nintendo to want to take the risk making a sequel for it. Not even the powerhouses of Sony and Microsoft (who could have turned it into a proprietary exclusive) wanted to risk it.

Okami. Godhand...the list of great games that didn't sell well goes on and on and on...

Sales are one part, and honestly do not do things justice a lot of the time. People give Call of Duty sh!t for being dumb, boring, and uninventive all the time, and that game sales incredibly well...so...how does this whole gauging sales work...?
That doesn't really have anything to do with what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that my opinion of Classic DMC being better than DmC is a majority opinion. It's a majority opinion due to the fact of sales numbers.

DMC1, 2, 3, and 4 all sold well, and they each sold better than DmC.

Therefore, the majority of fans agree that Classic DMC is way better than DmC. Add in the fact that the HD remakes sold well.

As a result, rebooting the franchise was a rather foolish decision.
 
That doesn't really have anything to do with what I'm saying.
Here we go. Now that your original argument has been... utterly destroyed, you just brush it off and use the, "that has nothing to do with this," tactic.

That's not gonna fly here, buddy.
 
That doesn't really have anything to do with what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that my opinion of Classic DMC being better than DmC is a majority opinion. It's a majority opinion due to the fact of sales numbers.

DMC1, 2, 3, and 4 all sold well, and they each sold better than DmC.

Therefore, the majority of fans agree that Classic DMC is way better than DmC. Add in the fact that the HD remakes sold well.

As a result, rebooting the franchise was a rather foolish decision.


I'm not sure you can actually say that because the old ones sold better, people found the old ones ''way better than DmC''. That doesn't make any sense. Sales are sales, and guess what? A lot of people actually refrained from buying DmC because they were afraid of change, or simply because they didn't feel like buying a Devil May Cry game or H&S game again.
 
I'm not sure you can actually say that because the old ones sold better, people found the old ones ''way better than DmC''. That doesn't make any sense. Sales are sales, and guess what? A lot of people actually refrained from buying DmC because they were afraid of change, or simply because they didn't feel like buying a Devil May Cry game again.


I don't think change had anything to do with it.
 
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First, saleswise DMC3 sold about 1.2 million... so DmC will probably soon surpass it in sales.
As a result, rebooting the franchise was a rather foolish decision.


Again, you're operating under the assumption that classic DMC style sequel would have sold any better without any proof to back that up. I'd say the genre as a whole is suffering, which is quite sad, because unless you're God of War, good luck breaking 2 million units sold in the first few months. Also, You keep talking about accessible, but if they don't find a way to make them more accessible, the genre itself will die, because these games are expensive, you can't have the indie nostalgic kickstarter version of a DMC game. That's why you never see that many Kickstarters for action games like DMC, MGR, or DmC.
 
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They did not dramatically sell better, the last great DMC for me which I would consider DMC3 sold about 1.2 million copies, so arguably the best DMC combat wise sold about as well as DmC has so far. And you don't have prove to be able to say, the vast majority of DMC fans. I just find it difficult to swallow that actual DMC fans who played DmC and gave the gameplay a real chance would be like "nah, they ruined it up, this game isn't DMC," because honestly it still has a really deep combat system, which is unlike anything else on the market.
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All the previous games sold better than the remake, and that's because the majority of us think that Classic DMC is simply better than DmC.

You can try ignoring this all you want, but no future DmC game will do as well as previous versions. So, Capcom should just give up on the reboot, lose NT, and give the series to devs who understand solid gameplay(best choice is Platinum games).
 
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