Dmc dante vs DMC3 vergil

[Chancey289]

Does Dante even need the Flaming Hulk hands?

 

[Chancey289]

VERGIL HAS TO WIN BECAUSE I WANT IT THAT WAY!.

Dante uppercutted Megatron with his bare hands. Your argument is invalid.

 

[Demi-fiend]

Dear God, it's like talking to a wall. Only less rewarding.

Chance, Drag, Two, don't even bother. I mean it. It's a lost cause.

 

[darkslayer13]

It worked on Mundus the demon king, I think it'd work on a half-demon :/

not all demons are created equal. DMC Vergil isn't half some random demon, he is half DMC Sparda and there is no question that DMC Sparda is significantly more than twice as strong as DmC Mundus (compare DmC Mundus to DMC Mundus, then remember that DMC Sparda beat DMC Mundus and his army ( aka. the entire population of hell) on his own) so Mundus not resisting DmC Dante's DT (which appears to have no effect on even lesser demons once they hit the ground) does not provide a reason to think that DMC Vergil would be significantly affected.

 

[DragonMaster2010]

I don't believe NTDante's speed is equal to Vergil's. I dont know exactly what you mean by "spacial" placement, i am guessing your implying that hes teleporting instead of blitzing (blitz =insane speed)?

There's the angel dodge that does that for him. Plus demon dodge allows him to dodge at the right time as well.

I dont see him teleporting if thats what you meant. I see him moving from point A to B fast.
And if you think because there are very few frames from point A to B (when attacking Beowolf) and you conclude that its teleporting - then thats your assumption.

Now as for NTDante's "halt anything in it's tracks", if that was entirely true then he would have used it in first place on Mundus. And is it even a ability that he can use on and off? Or is it 1 shot only?
Infact he could have used it when NTVergil was being sucked in by NTMundus.

It's no ta one time thing since he obviously used it on Vergil in their fight. Also, you seem to bring that up, but let me ask; Why didn't Dante just go DT in DMC3 to defeat Arkaham instead of take pain like a little punk? Plot says so. Plus NT Dante used it to save his brother and it did freeze him, but only for a temporary time.

Plus before you can conclude with a a little certanity that it would affect Vergil , youd need to know how the ability works, and how strong NTMundus is compared to Mundus.
Mundus is full demon, Vergil is not.

As for Vergil's speed or Katana use has with the weapon to do, and thats why Dante can do the same? No, that doesnt seem likely. And Dante being able to do speedy stuff and Yamato swordsmanship has more to do with fact that Dante in DMC4 is alot order than he was in DMC3, hes brother of Vergil, therefor he knows the swordsmanship and pays tribute to his brother, and that its gameplay...things happen in gameplay that doesn't in story or cutscenes relevant to it.

I call bullshit, because he hasn't seen or used Yamato in years, but now all of a sudden he gets it and can do the techniques perfectly similar? bullshit.

 

[DragonMaster2010]

not all demons are created equal. DMC Vergil isn't half some random demon, he is half DMC Sparda and there is no question that DMC Sparda is significantly more than twice as strong as DmC Mundus (compare DmC Mundus to DMC Mundus, then remember that DMC Sparda beat DMC Mundus and his army ( aka. the entire population of hell) on his own) so Mundus not resisting DmC Dante's DT (which appears to have no effect on even lesser demons once they hit the ground) does not provide a reason to think that DMC Vergil would be significantly affected.

That's gameplay though. If DT really worked on lesser bosses like it did mundus, then those fights would be boring to play during gameplay. That's not a good enough reasoning.

 

[Demi-fiend]

Oh God, the run-on sentences in that last DS13 post... it was almost as bad as that "shea" guy.

 

[darkslayer13]

I call bullshit, because he hasn't seen or used Yamato in years, but now all of a sudden he gets it and can do the techniques perfectly similar? bullshit.

DMC Dante can use any weapon perfectly the moment he gets it, why wouldn't he be able to imitate his twin with the same weapon.

That's gameplay though. If DT really worked on lesser bosses like it did mundus, then those fights would be boring to play during gameplay. That's not a good enough reasoning.

so you are saying that a gameplay elements effects on gameplay have no significance. how exactly does that make sense. DmC Dante's DT has been shown to not work on everything therefore it it is possible to be immune to it. DMC Vergil has been shown to be one of the most powerful demons in the franchise therefore it is reasonable to conclude that he would be one of the demons unaffected by it. arbitrarily ignoring details to make your point is a sign that you need to rethink your argument. is DmC Dante's DT the only reason you think he would win?

 

[IncarnatedDemon]

Dante and Vergil are twins. That means they grew up looking at eachother and wonder what the difference is between themself and their twin. And maybe they did similar things? Dante did JackPot, and Vergil did JackPot.
The Twins using their twin's weapon

 

[ef9dante_oSsshea]

Oh God, the run-on sentences in that last DS13 post... it was almost as bad as that "shea" guy.

there is no need to bring my name into it cause ive a different belief on the fight to you relax a bit its not worth gettin ****ed over have a beer, beer is good

 

[DragonMaster2010]

DMC Dante can use any weapon perfectly the moment he gets it, why wouldn't he be able to imitate his twin with the same weapon.
Because she's saying that the reason Dante knows how to use yamato like Vergil is because Dante's older. That made no sense since he hasn't seen Yamato in years or his brother use it.

so you are saying that a gameplay elements effects on gameplay have no significance. how exactly does that make sense. DmC Dante's DT has been shown to not work on everything therefore it it is possible to be immune to it. DMC Vergil has been shown to be one of the most powerful demons in the franchise therefore it is reasonable to conclude that he would be one of the demons unaffected by it. arbitrarily ignoring details to make your point is a sign that you need to rethink your argument. is DmC Dante's DT the only reason you think he would win?

No. You said that if it worked on Mundus, it should work on lesser bosses, to which I said it would make the game boring if they just stood there frozen during DT. there's a difference between actual gameplay and story when it comes to Dante's DT in DmC. And just because DMC Vergil is strong in his universe, doesn't mean it's the same factor in NT Dante's universe, where he's a Demon/Angel hybrid, a being that's the only being to be able to kill demon kings. Plus, Vergil's still demon, and therefore would in some way be affected.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

I don't believe NTDante's speed is equal to Vergil's.

Therein lies the problem, because what you believe doesn't have much bearing on some of the facts that are put forth by the games they come from :/

I dont know exactly what you mean by "spacial" placement, i am guessing your implying that hes teleporting instead of blitzing (blitz =insane speed)?

Yes, "spacial" regarding teleportation. He's appearing in a specific "space."

I dont see him teleporting if thats what you meant. I see him moving from point A to B fast.
And if you think because there are very few frames from point A to B (when attacking Beowolf) and you conclude that its teleporting - then thats your assumption.

Or, the fact that Vergil's Tricking is specifically described in-game as instantaneous teleportation to specific spot. No assumption, that's a clear fact from the game's description of his Trick abilities.

Instantaneously teleport to a spot directly near the enemy

Now as for NTDante's "halt anything in it's tracks", if that was entirely true then he would have used it in first place on Mundus. And is it even a ability that he can use on and off? Or is it 1 shot only?
Infact he could have used it when NTVergil was being sucked in by NTMundus.

That's all true, but it's the same theorycrafting behind me saying that if Vergil was truly as fast as claimed he should have won every encounter evar~

The difference here is that Dante's DT-powered halting ability isn't a one-off, it's used all throughout the game, and is specifically used to freeze Mundus in place to save Vergil.

All we can say when it comes to "why didn't he use it the second time to save Vergil from getting sucked into Mundus' form?" is that the narrative wasn't written that way *shrug* But he still did it once before, giving it credence. Vergil's "blitz" speed isn't really documented in cutscenes as something he could always have used to win all his encounters.

Plus before you can conclude with a a little certanity that it would affect Vergil , youd need to know how the ability works, and how strong NTMundus is compared to Mundus.

That's the rub, we don't know, because we can't quantify "magical power" used in two different universes, at least not without skewing one way with bias. I'm just playing devil's advocate here.

All we know is that it freezes demons in their place, and it was able to halt the demon king who calls himself a god. Vergil is only half-demon, which means that whatever Dante has that works against demons, would work even better on Vergil.

And before we talk about how DmC Vergil wasn't affected by Dante's DT in their final battle, remember that DmC Vergil is also a Nephilim, just like Dante, most likely making that ability ineffective.

As for Vergil's speed or Katana use has with the weapon to do, and thats why Dante can do the same? No, that doesnt seem likely. And Dante being able to do speedy stuff and Yamato swordsmanship has more to do with fact that Dante in DMC4 is alot order than he was in DMC3, hes brother of Vergil, therefor he knows the swordsmanship and pays tribute to his brother, and that its gameplay...things happen in gameplay that doesn't in story or cutscenes relevant to it.

Then you're going to have to decide what elements are allowed to be taken into consideration for stuff like this - gameplay and cutscenes, or just gameplay? Because we're going to have to apply it to both classic Vergil and DmC Dante.

No take-backsies either.

 

[ef9dante_oSsshea]

i agree dante has a better dt and is probably stronger but that doesnt guaruntee him the win i also know full well vergil could lose too i just think he has too much skill and combat expertise to lose to dante who hasnt been honing his skills and powers from a young boy like vergil did speed and strength and dt aside i believe vergil is the better fighter ( dont shoot me

 

[TWOxACROSS]

i agree dante has a better dt and is probably stronger but that doesnt guaruntee him the win i also know full well vergil could lose too i just think he has too much skill and combat expertise to lose to dante who hasnt been honing his skills and powers from a young boy like vergil did speed and strength and dt aside i believe vergil is the better fighter ( dont shoot me

But what does "combat expertise" even mean? The skill might be great, but being the best at something doesn't mean you can't still lose. Nothing is without flaws. Looking at how we defeat Vergil in his boss battles, there's always something to exploit. Even looking at the weaknesses we need to cover when playing as Vergil gives us a hint that not everything is perfect.

And knowledge can't account for much. I have plenty of knowledge about things ranging from military tactics to what that fuzzy hat Buckingham palace guards wear is called, but it's not all going to be useful in preventing me from chowing down on a knuckle sammich.


And it's a called a "busbee." You're welcome, everyone.

 

[ef9dante_oSsshea]

ya you have a point there ah i dunno ha im out of answers ha ha

 

[TWOxACROSS]

It's sorta like...yeah Dante is rough around the edges, but he still knows how to fight, and quite well, for him to be able to have survived that long Vergil has a very refined style, while Dante is really raw.

I think finesse might be getting confused for something that makes Vergil a generally better fighter :x

 

[Demi-fiend]

there is no need to bring my name into it cause ive a different belief on the fight to you relax a bit its not worth gettin ****ed over have a beer, beer is good

Nothing against you, buddy. I just can't bear to read your posts because of the lack of punctuation. Sorry.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.821784-Really-whats-the-purpose-of-arguing-over-games
Because my opinion's better. :troll:

 

[ef9dante_oSsshea]

That's no problem man it's an irish thing we shorten our words and use a lot of slang , i guess that comes off in my writing sorry.

 

[Sieghart]

And what does it even matter if it's with or without yoouuuuu~ Eryx, the things can be wrapped around his arms in a split-second...

But his striking speed with Eryx is still slow.
Striking class:
Class 100 - (5x10^4 - 10^5kg) The mass of a tank.
Class K - (10^5 - 10^6kg) The mass of the largest animal: Blue whale, the heaviest aircraft with maximum take-off masses.

actually he did upper cut Mundus without Eryx.

13:42

Oh i see. I have said before DmC Dante surpassed Vergil in terms of raw power but not with pure accuracy and skills. But the DT is DmC Dante's best bet.

But what does "combat expertise" even mean? The skill might be great, but being the best at something doesn't mean you can't still lose. Nothing is without flaws. Looking at how we defeat Vergil in his boss battles, there's always something to exploit. Even looking at the weaknesses we need to cover when playing as Vergil gives us a hint that not everything is perfect.

Just like how Anderson Silva lost to Chris Weidman. It's a damn shame

That's all true, but it's the same theorycrafting behind me saying that if Vergil was truly as fast as claimed he should have won every encounter evar~

Vergil was fast. He was most likely the fastest in both DMC/DmC verse. The reason why both version of Dante was able to beat the much cooler brother is because of their reaction time which is seems slightly better than both Vergils.

Dante uppercutted Megatron with his bare hands. Your argument is invalid.

Why is uppercutting Megatro- i mean Mundus really matter? I mean sure it's a pretty great feat but the argument "DmC Dante should snap Vergil's wrist" is invalid because of the fact that DmC Vergil was able to parry Dante many times and his arms or wrist didn't even break.

 

[Stylish Nero]

People bring up the DmC Dante stopped a demon emperor in his tracks but they seem to have forgotten that due to DmC Vergil shutting the Hell Gate Mundus's power was drastically reduced so Mundus wasn't even at full power....in fact the Hell Gate was his power source so he had his power cut off. So Dante slowed down, punched, and defeated a drastically weakened/handicapped demon king not a demon king at his best.

As for genetics and power born abilities....genetically Vergil's genes is better than DmC Dante's although he is a demon and angel hybrid and those are considered powerful. DMC Vergil is the son of Sparda....SPARDA!!! Generally DmC Dante's parents seemed to have been fodder or average leveled demon and angel. Sparda alone far surpasses both DmC Sparda and Eva together, the man was god leveled who took down Mundus (who is stronger than DmC Mundus at full power) and the entire demon army BY HIMSELF.

Dante and Vergil in DMC were never considered Cambions or half demons half humans they were considered the Sons of Sparda because Sparda was that OP. Having the blood of Sparda in you actually held weight and power (such as being able to power an entire demonic statue).

Think about it Vergil, Dante, and Nero took fatal-instant kill blows and wounds like a boss while full demons (Berial, Echinda, Bael, Dagon, and Beowulf) could go down easily to a simple gun shot or sword slash. Blood of Sparda.

Plus as for DmC Dante's DT.......its been rather inconsistent when used in cutscenes but generally it really doesn't slow down time/enemies. Well in gameplay it throws enemies into the air as an anti-gravity ability but when the enemy hits the floor they can move about normally even if DT is still active and boss demons aren't affected by the anti-gravity affects and if used in boss battles they don't slow down (at least its not noticeable).....however the biggest detail of Dante's DT is that when used on Vergil in the Vergil boss fight....Vergil isn't affected his Doppleganger is thrown into the air but he isn't affected and Dante's DT can wear out and has shown when used on Mundus in the cutscene it wore out rather quickly.

Neither was Kat affected by the DT as he she was moving about just fine. So his DT does not affect time.