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Dmc dante vs DMC3 vergil

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has everyone forgot vergil in the end fight is capable of surrounding himself in a sphere that protects him and he can disappear and do multiple judgement cuts all over the screen and again he can dual wield yamato nd force edge and the beowulf gauntlets make arms and feet weapons not just hands mix that in with better sword skill faster movement speed faster regen and more durability and experience and vergil has pure precision and is ruthless in fights so he has the edge over dmc dante big time in this fight brute force or dante having more strength wont be factors skill wins over strength so does speed this is the way i see it but im open to other opinions or views on it of course
 
Vergillicious said:
Hmm well Vergil is half demon/human and Dmc Dante is half demon/angel like Jin Kazama from Tekken..soo I'm going to have to say that Dmc Dante would win...sorry Vergil I really wanted to pick you.. :'(
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The Species > Species in a fanfiction battle is invalid. By that logic, i guess Kratos can defeat Alucard from Hellsing then?

Railazel said:
DMC 3 Vergil. I would go into full mathematical and scientific detail about it since his Judgement Cut provides a good measurement of his speed (faster than light, by the way) ).
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You're joking. I might believe that it can or might be Massive Hypersonic+ but faster than light? Ridiculous.
 
Sieghart said:
The Species > Species in a fanfiction battle is invalid. By that logic, i guess Kratos can defeat Alucard from Hellsing then?



You're joking. I might believe that it can or might be Massive Hypersonic+ but faster than light? Ridiculous.
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Straight up! There's only one FTL swordsman and his name is D!
 
Railazel said:
DMC 3 Vergil. I would go into full mathematical and scientific detail about it since his Judgement Cut provides a good measurement of his speed (faster-than-light, by the way) and his encounters with Dante tell us a bit about his strenght (Dante can punch a boulder into several pieces, Vergil overpowered him in their final sword clash in their first battle).
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How is that faster-than-light...? Nothing can move faster-than-light, and if Vergil could, there'd be no DMC series, because Vergil would have killed Dante upon their first meeting. Plus, we would never see him, he wouldn't even be a blur.

And Dante losing the first fight was really because Dante wasn't strong enough - it's why he unlocked his DT and all. In the end, Dante still matched Vergil. Then again, we're not talking about DMC3 Dante who punched a boulder, we're talking about DmC Dante, who uppercuts giant, several ton slugs with his bare hands.

ef9 o shea said:
has everyone forgot vergil in the end fight is capable of surrounding himself in a sphere that protects him and he can disappear and do multiple judgement cuts all over the screen
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And that whole thing can be avoided simply by a brisk run >.>

ef9 o shea said:
and again he can dual wield yamato nd force edge and the beowulf gauntlets make arms and feet weapons not just hands mix that in with better sword skill faster movement speed faster regen and more durability and experience and vergil has pure precision and is ruthless in fights so he has the edge over dmc dante big time in this fight brute force or dante having more strength wont be factors skill wins over strength so does speed this is the way i see it but im open to other opinions or views on it of course
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I think Dante has the faster regen, it's been documented that it's faster, and people complained about it :p Plus his DT affords him a slightly better upper hand than Vergil's does, given that he can pause Demon Kings in their tracks.

And skill counts for a lot, but so does strength. You could have the fanciest footwork as a lightweight boxer, but if you make one wrong move and take one hit from a heavyweight, you're going to feel that. Skill doesn't prevent your brain from knocking around in your skull, and won't keep your GI tract inside when your stomach gets sliced open.
 
TWOxACROSS said:
Narp. Poison (the several ton slug) was knocked around without Eryx. You get Eryx after that fight...
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The point is Dante doesn't have a striking class K without Eryx. We can only assume that his striking class is Class 100 at peak and that is when he punched poison.
 
I don't know what your arbitrary "striking class" thing is, but either way with just his bare hands Dante seems to have more strength that Vergil has ever shown.

And what does it even matter if it's with or without yoouuuuu~ Eryx, the things can be wrapped around his arms in a split-second...
 
I highly doubt Vergil is not capable of same feat as NTDante. And if we assume Vergil's has a punching force that is 5 times weaker than NTDante's, all Vergil has to do is apply speed to it. By doing so he can probably exceed the force that NTDante made when he punched that ugly being.
Even so, his punch didn't make Poison's swing much. The force just punched her out of the edge and moved her a bit. And you don't even need that much force to get same results if you hit poison, all you need to do is hit her hard enough so that she will loose her balance. Then the weight of her body will move her when she falls.
It looks more "heavy" than what it actually is because NTDante is in motion, and that gives a sense that his punch threw Poison that far, when his first punch (uppercut?) hurt Poison head - she raised her head backwards, and then he punched her in face again.
And the rest is gravity.

Second law of Newton: Force = Mass * Acceleration

I said earlier we cud assume Vergil's force was 5 times weaker than NTDante's. But i think Vergil's force is at least 3 if NTDante's is prolly 5 without speed applied.
And i think NTDante's speed is 3, while Vergil's speed may be 6+.
Where 1 is average human force/speed.

So 6*3=18 (Vergil), and 3*5=15.
So Vergil's punch force would then be 18, NTDante's would be 15.

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Also about "Speed doesn't matter, if Dante hits Vergil once hes finished"
I could say the same thing about Vergil slashing NTDante.
Plus here you see in this video how quick Vergil is, and hes facing Beowolf. Lets assume Beowolfs speed is 2, while NTDante's speed is 3, and they both have same force when punching.

Not only did Vergil finish Beowolf off quickly, he also punched him with such force that the corpse hit the roof brutally.
And i'd argue thats a bigger feat than NTDante's feat.
NTDante hit poison and she fell over, he didnt punch a poison laying on floor, he punched her head then punch it again and she fell over.
 
IncarnatedDemon said:
I highly doubt Vergil is not capable of same feat as NTDante. And if we assume Vergil's has a punching force that is 5 times weaker than NTDante's, all Vergil has to do is apply speed to it. By doing so he can probably exceed the force that NTDante made when he punched that ugly being.
Even so, his punch didn't make Poison's swing much. The force just punched her out of the edge and moved her a bit. And you don't even need that much force to get same results if you hit poison, all you need to do is hit her hard enough so that she will loose her balance. Then the weight of her body will move her when she falls.
It looks more "heavy" than what it actually is because NTDante is in motion, and that gives a sense that his punch threw Poison that far, when his first punch (uppercut?) hurt Poison head - she raised her head backwards, and then he punched her in face again.
And the rest is gravity.

Second law of Newton: Force = Mass * Acceleration

I said earlier we cud assume Vergil's force was 5 times weaker than NTDante's. But i think Vergil's force is at least 3 if NTDante's is prolly 5 without speed applied.
And i think NTDante's speed is 3, while Vergil's speed may be 6+.
Where 1 is average human force/speed.

So 6*3=18 (Vergil), and 3*5=15.
So Vergil's punch force would then be 18, NTDante's would be 15.
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very cleverly put :)
 
Dante punched Poison's body limply like ten or fifteen feet straight upwards off the platform, and them smashed her in the face to push her out from above the platform.

IncarnatedDemon said:
I said earlier we cud assume Vergil's force was 5 times weaker than NTDante's. But i think Vergil's force is at least 3 if NTDante's is prolly 5 without speed applied.
And i think NTDante's speed is 3, while Vergil's speed may be 6+.
Where 1 is average human force/speed.

So 6*3=18 (Vergil), and 3*5=15.
So Vergil's punch force would then be 18, NTDante's would be 15.
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I've seen humans display some stuff on par with the speed we see in the DMC series >_<


You're assumptions all seem rather skewed in favor of one particular character, and your formulas are arbitrary. Dante himself even matches that same speed, and whatever speed Vergil has is more dexterity with his hands, as all accounts of speed only mention his ability to swing Yamato in the blink of an eye, not literal movement speed of his entire body. Vergil's also Tricks don't afford speed that lends him inertia, because they're spacial placements, not him moving so fast that he reaches the position in no time at all.

Hell! And even him being able to swing Yamato so fast might not even be something that Vergil can do himself. It's possible that it's a special ability afforded to the Yamato's wielder, since Dante's Dark Slayer gives him that same blink-of-an-eye speed with Yamato, while both Dante and Vergil never use that same type of dexterity with any other weapons they have, save for Dante pulling E&I's triggers to fire them as fast as a machine gun, Million Stabs, Hyper Fist, and Gilgamesh B. Even Vergil doesn't completely move as fast as everyone says he does, looking at him using the Yamato to bonk people with the scabbard on the default combo, so it's almost as if the Yamato's speed only plays into anything when it's unsheathed.

And if he truly was as fast as people claimed, Vergil would have won every encounter with Dante he'd ever been in because of the superior speed. Unfortunately, there seems to be a great disconnect between the characters actual abilities that push the narrative ahead and what we get to play with in the game. It seems the Sons of Sparda are capable of at most bursts of blinding speed at varying lengths :s

Plus, you still keep talking about speed as if it's an issue, when Dante's DT can halt anything it its tracks, letting him just sort of saunter up and start hacking away.
 
Dante could just goes DT right and Vergil could just be suspended in mid air floating around like "dafuq?!" then dead.
 
DmC Dante's Devil Trigger doesn't apply equally to every enemy it is used on so someone at DMC Vergil's level probably wouldn't be affected enough to matter.
 
Reading Incarnated Demon's "formulas" is kind of like watching a mentally challenged Sheldon Cooper... :lol:
TWOxACROSS said:
Your assumptions all seem rather skewed in favor of one particular character, and your formulas are arbitrary.
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No surprise there. :/
TWOxACROSS said:
Plus, you still keep talking about speed as if it's an issue, when Dante's DT can halt anything it its tracks, letting him just sort of saunter up and start hacking away.
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Best use of the word "saunter" I've ever seen on this forum. I'm just sad that I could only give you one like. :(
Oh, aso the word "Narp". Pure win.
Chancey289 said:
Dante could just goes DT right and Vergil could just be suspended in mid air floating around like "dafuq?!" then dead.
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NAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!! DMC3 VERGIL MUST WIN AT ALL COSTS.
 
Chancey289 said:
Dante could just goes DT right and Vergil could just be suspended in mid air floating around like "dafuq?!" then dead.
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I just have an image of Vergil floating listlessly in the air, just sorta flailing about going "Nooo...my finesse~" all pouty-like.

Chancey289 said:
Like TwoX said, it worked on Megatron so Vergil probably wouldn't be an issue.
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Oh my god...he did look sorta like Megatron >.<
 
I don't believe NTDante's speed is equal to Vergil's. I dont know exactly what you mean by "spacial" placement, i am guessing your implying that hes teleporting instead of blitzing (blitz =insane speed)?
I dont see him teleporting if thats what you meant. I see him moving from point A to B fast.
And if you think because there are very few frames from point A to B (when attacking Beowolf) and you conclude that its teleporting - then thats your assumption.

Now as for NTDante's "halt anything in it's tracks", if that was entirely true then he would have used it in first place on Mundus. And is it even a ability that he can use on and off? Or is it 1 shot only?
Infact he could have used it when NTVergil was being sucked in by NTMundus.

Plus before you can conclude with a a little certanity that it would affect Vergil , youd need to know how the ability works, and how strong NTMundus is compared to Mundus.

As for Vergil's speed or Katana use has with the weapon to do, and thats why Dante can do the same? No, that doesnt seem likely. And Dante being able to do speedy stuff and Yamato swordsmanship has more to do with fact that Dante in DMC4 is alot order than he was in DMC3, hes brother of Vergil, therefor he knows the swordsmanship and pays tribute to his brother, and that its gameplay...things happen in gameplay that doesn't in story or cutscenes relevant to it.
 
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