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Dmc dante vs DMC3 vergil

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Sieghart said:
Outskirts Battle Dome.
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I just went there to see Dante's stats....seems fitting.

I also saw his battle records (well I know its just a debate and not as legit as say Death Match) bu I was shocked to hear that he managed to win against the entire Straw Hat crew of One Piece, all the Espadas of Bleach, and even Deadpool.

Dante's OBD records:

Notable OBD Victories:

- 1000 Heartless + Demyx (Kingdom Hearts)
- Cloud Strife (Final Fantasy 7) - Cloud Profile
- Deadpool (Marvel Comics) - Deadpool Profile
- Espada (Bleach)
- Inuyasha (Inuyasha) - Inuyasha Profile
- Isley (Claymore) - Isley Profile
- Oars (One Piece) - Oars Profile
- Ryu Hayabusa (Dead or Alive) - Ryu Profile
- Solid Snake (Metal Gear) - Solid Snake Profile
- Straw Hats (One Piece)
- Train Heartnet (Black Cat) - Train Profile
- Tsuna (KHR) - Tsuna Profile

Notable OBD Losses:

- Alucard (Hellsing) - Alucard Profile
- Devilman( Devilman) - Devilman Profile (this was not the canon manga Devilman)
- Kurt Godel (Negima) - Godel Profile
- Kyo (Samurai Deeper Kyo) - Demon Eyes Kyo Profile
- Gilgamesh (Fate Stay Night) - Gilgamesh Profile
- Raziel (Legacy of Kain) - Raziel Profile

Granted some of these may not have occured recently so I doubt the Dante vs Tsuna debate was made for I think Tsuna might have won since he can react to Lightspeed attacks quite effortlessly....unless if they allowed Quick Silver, Bangle of Time, and Chrono Heart.
 
TWOxACROSS said:
I talked to my buddy who is currently enrolled in college for physics about your talk of FTL, and he had a few things to say...


My Buddy:well, first off, you can't travel faster than the speed of light.
because your mass would approach infinity the faster you went.
TWOxACROSS:Yeah, but this is a fictional setting, so everyone is like "OMG it's a gayum, it can totally happen."
My Buddy:and the energy required to move the mass would also become infinite.
So his statement about moving back in time and not bumping into anything has no basis.
unless you're referring to the star trek movie where they went faster than the speed of light and went back in time to save some whales.
if people pull the 'omg it's a gayum" thing, then why have the discussion in the first place?
(also, the back in time spiel could also be the bit about particles with virtually no mass being able to move backwards in time... and since they are subatomic particles, they wouldn't encounter aerodynamic heating)
but the point there is that those particles have virtually no mass.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachyon
In any case, this guy needs to cite his sources.
TWOxACROSS:Oh tachyons~ <3
Yeah, and if during his iaido he has no mass, allowing him to move FTL...wouldn't his sword not do any damage?
Because it has no mass.
My Buddy:lol
yeah, cuz it probably wouldn't interact with normal matter.
So he could move faster than light all he wants, but it's not going to let him hurt anything.
either almost no mass or he'd have to have infinite mass...
and infinite mass would cause him to collapse in on himself.

I then showed him the post I'm quoting you on (which I've removed for space's sake), and he said a bit more about it...

My Buddy:Also, that bit about "space warping" is idiotic because he states that it's never been done before and therefore he has no evidence as to how it would appear... and to indiate that the case in the videogame is how it would appear is pointless and makes no sense. Especially since the only theories derived about this junk relates to subatomic particles.
the only way he could move FTL is if he somehow was able to displace space and time to create a warp bubble... and this is waaaaaay theoretical and physicists are not in agreement about it. see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive
TWOxACROSS:Yeah, maybe he thinks because there's the bubble that cuts up enemies.
My Buddy:*shrug* then the question there is how would he generate such a bubble?
(see the mass-energy requirement) of the article.
TWOxACROSS:So, most of his science is extremely theoretical, and he's just appropriating it all to support his case.
Like trying to convict someone of a crime with imaginary evidence.
My Buddy:yep
TWOxACROSS:Hrm.
Well.
It's fun talking theoretical physics :P
My Buddy:Conceptually, sure. Mathematically... not so much.

Heheh. He knows I don't like math :P

I dunno what you wanna take from that, but...yeah...I trust my buddy, because he's pretty goddamn smart >.>
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And I don't like math either. Out of all subjects in school, Math is the only one that gives me problems. F#ck you math.
 
Chancey289 said:
Out of all subjects in school, Math is the only one that gives me problems.
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That's too bad, because math can help you create games (with a team, of course). I know that I was stating the obvious, I just thought that it would bear repeating. That being said, I hate math as well. It really should be more approachable to anyone who has difficulty learning.

Anything can be made easier to learn. Why can't math be easier for everyone else?
 
Unknown said:
That's too bad, because math can help you create games (with a team, of course). I know that I was stating the obvious, I just thought that it would bear repeating. That being said, I hate math as well. It really should be more approachable to anyone who has difficulty learning.

Anything can be made easier to learn. Why can't math be easier for everyone else?
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Math is just that thing that doesn't catch on like everything else. I mean, I was doing fine in all my other subjects. Especially English, reading, and history. Probably just because I always loved to read. Thing is what I've noticed, is that you seriously would like only need in life up to Elementary level math. Alegebra and Calculus is because they want to watch you suffer. Like a sadistic bastard created this sh!t.

Over dramatic? Maybe. That's what I imagined though. I really don't like math lol.
 
Stylish Nero said:
I just went there to see Dante's stats....seems fitting.

I also saw his battle records (well I know its just a debate and not as legit as say Death Match) bu I was shocked to hear that he managed to win against the entire Straw Hat crew of One Piece, all the Espadas of Bleach, and even Deadpool.

Dante's OBD records:

Notable OBD Victories:

- 1000 Heartless + Demyx (Kingdom Hearts)
- Cloud Strife (Final Fantasy 7) - Cloud Profile
- Deadpool (Marvel Comics) - Deadpool Profile
- Espada (Bleach)
- Inuyasha (Inuyasha) - Inuyasha Profile
- Isley (Claymore) - Isley Profile
- Oars (One Piece) - Oars Profile
- Ryu Hayabusa (Dead or Alive) - Ryu Profile
- Solid Snake (Metal Gear) - Solid Snake Profile
- Straw Hats (One Piece)
- Train Heartnet (Black Cat) - Train Profile
- Tsuna (KHR) - Tsuna Profile

Notable OBD Losses:

- Alucard (Hellsing) - Alucard Profile
- Devilman( Devilman) - Devilman Profile (this was not the canon manga Devilman)
- Kurt Godel (Negima) - Godel Profile
- Kyo (Samurai Deeper Kyo) - Demon Eyes Kyo Profile
- Gilgamesh (Fate Stay Night) - Gilgamesh Profile
- Raziel (Legacy of Kain) - Raziel Profile


Granted some of these may not have occured recently so I doubt the Dante vs Tsuna debate was made for I think Tsuna might have won since he can react to Lightspeed attacks quite effortlessly....unless if they allowed Quick Silver, Bangle of Time, and Chrono Heart.
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Dante wasn't allowed to use Quicksilver and DT and the Tsuna they used was probably before the Shimon Arc since the battle was made during 2010. Plus, Dante is also pretty much a lightning timer.

The only thing that is not really allowed for Dante to use in almost all fanfiction battle is the Royal block/Release ability(Thank god for that) but Quicksilver, game mechanics like that is allowed.

Also, i can still debate that Dante would stand a chance against Alucard if we were using DMC 2 Dante. Plus, the Alucard they used in that battle is Regular Alucard not EoS Alucard.
 
Alucard probably wins, but i dont think it's fair comparison to compare Alucard and Dante.
According to this page, Alucard is over 580 years old.
How old is Dante in DMC 2? 30? 40? I dont think hes older than 35 in DMC 2.

So a character who has existed 35 years vs a character that has existed 580 years.
How strong will Dante be when he's 580 years - if he do nto die because of his demonic blood?

So from that standpoint it's unfair to compare the two.
But if your going to do it anyway, thats fine but dont think its absolute. A character or most living creatures who have supernatural powers become stronger the more they exist.
 
TWOxACROSS said:
I talked to my buddy who is currently enrolled in college for physics about your talk of FTL, and he had a few things to say...


My Buddy:well, first off, you can't travel faster than the speed of light.
because your mass would approach infinity the faster you went.
TWOxACROSS:Yeah, but this is a fictional setting, so everyone is like "OMG it's a gayum, it can totally happen."
My Buddy:and the energy required to move the mass would also become infinite.
So his statement about moving back in time and not bumping into anything has no basis.
unless you're referring to the star trek movie where they went faster than the speed of light and went back in time to save some whales.
if people pull the 'omg it's a gayum" thing, then why have the discussion in the first place?
(also, the back in time spiel could also be the bit about particles with virtually no mass being able to move backwards in time... and since they are subatomic particles, they wouldn't encounter aerodynamic heating)
but the point there is that those particles have virtually no mass.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachyon
In any case, this guy needs to cite his sources.
TWOxACROSS:Oh tachyons~ <3
Yeah, and if during his iaido he has no mass, allowing him to move FTL...wouldn't his sword not do any damage?
Because it has no mass.
My Buddy:lol
yeah, cuz it probably wouldn't interact with normal matter.
So he could move faster than light all he wants, but it's not going to let him hurt anything.
either almost no mass or he'd have to have infinite mass...
and infinite mass would cause him to collapse in on himself.

I then showed him the post I'm quoting you on (which I've removed for space's sake), and he said a bit more about it...

My Buddy:Also, that bit about "space warping" is idiotic because he states that it's never been done before and therefore he has no evidence as to how it would appear... and to indiate that the case in the videogame is how it would appear is pointless and makes no sense. Especially since the only theories derived about this junk relates to subatomic particles.
the only way he could move FTL is if he somehow was able to displace space and time to create a warp bubble... and this is waaaaaay theoretical and physicists are not in agreement about it. see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive
TWOxACROSS:Yeah, maybe he thinks because there's the bubble that cuts up enemies.
My Buddy:*shrug* then the question there is how would he generate such a bubble?
(see the mass-energy requirement) of the article.
TWOxACROSS:So, most of his science is extremely theoretical, and he's just appropriating it all to support his case.
Like trying to convict someone of a crime with imaginary evidence.
My Buddy:yep
TWOxACROSS:Hrm.
Well.
It's fun talking theoretical physics :P
My Buddy:Conceptually, sure. Mathematically... not so much.

Heheh. He knows I don't like math :P

I dunno what you wanna take from that, but...yeah...I trust my buddy, because he's pretty goddamn smart >.>
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I wonder whether he knows that you don't lose mass. It can really only be explained mathematically but your relative mass is your energy divided by the speed of light squared. So even photons (light particles) which have no rest mass still have relative mass. Now, an object going FTL would have an indeterminate relative mass which means that no frame of reference would be able to determine its mass.

Also, I don't think he understands the nature of my argument. The Alcubierre Drive is a way for us to travel FTL but I'm not using that in my argument. Rather I'm using space- warping as a result of FTL travel. Also, about that bit about my assumpting being "idiotic", it has never been done before but we do have guesses as to what it would be like. For me to say that Vergil fits those guesses is actually a stretch (a very, very, very long stretch) on my part but if I want to keep the model, I'll have to assume that I am right in doing so (especially since the only comparsion Vergil's bubble has to a "real" space warp is the bending of light which, I would guess, is what causes the blue tint the bubble has).

I mean, he's not wrong in what he's saying since it's true that I'm using theoretical physics, but I am making an assumption that calls for the use of theoretical physics. We are talking about FTL travel which hasn't happened before in our universe, so what else am I to use but what's theoretical? Comparing it to "imaginary evidence" is pretty much undermining the fact that it is imaginary.

So with that said, if you want "real evidence", I could take the time to provide you with the math required for Vergil to do Judgement Cut.

Oh, and as for citing, I'm drawing my conclusions partially from thought experiments and partially from at least twenty different sources. I'm lazy, so I'm not going to take the time to cite all that.
 
Railazel said:
BLARBLE.
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If you don't mind, I'll listen to the guy who I know is mid-way through a dual General Physics and Astrophysics Major, and has been doing so with high grades (pretty much his entire life) :/ Ironically, he also loves Vergil in DMC3, his favorite character in the whole series :P

Then again, there's still the fact that you're applying extremely hypothetical theories and trying to make them fit with your arguments, and that's not something that we can put up as fact. Much like DmC Sparda, we don't have enough actual solid information - it's all theoretical, and just doesn't work.

Plus, did you ever think that Judgment Cut is really just a magical power from Yamato, just like Rebellion's Overdrive launches magical blades of energy and the like? DMC is series heavily steeped in mysticism, usually the answer for everything supernatural is magic in some sort of way.

IncarnatedDemon said:
Alucard probably wins, but i dont think it's fair comparison to compare Alucard and Dante.
According to this page, Alucard is over 580 years old.
How old is Dante in DMC 2? 30? 40? I dont think hes older than 35 in DMC 2.

So a character who has existed 35 years vs a character that has existed 580 years.
How strong will Dante be when he's 580 years - if he do nto die because of his demonic blood?

So from that standpoint it's unfair to compare the two.
But if your going to do it anyway, thats fine but dont think its absolute. A character or most living creatures who have supernatural powers become stronger the more they exist.
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Try to remember that sometimes age doesn't account for much at all. Dante himself has apparently surpassed Sparda in power, and Dante has only been around for a fraction of the time Sparda has.
 
Stylish Nero said:
- Deadpool (Marvel Comics) - Deadpool Profile



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Dante can't beat Deadpool. Deadpool has a regenerative power that is far more advanced that Dante. It beats Wolverine's and that's pretty impressive in itself. The dude can get his head chopped off and still kill you. He's also got way more of a skill set than Dante. He's a mercenary expertly trained in in so many different areas of combat. And he's insane being unpredictable as f#ck. He f#cking beat Taskmaster.

Also, Deadpool can't f#cking die. Thanos cursed him with life because he was jealous of his relationship with Death. Yea, Deadpool actually got romantically involved with Death itself. He's in to some sh!t. Now him and death will never be together. He's immortal. Dante would get his a$$ f#cking owned and I;m not just saying this because I'm a big Deadpool fan. Spider-Man is still the best superhero ever anyway but Deadpool is like in my top 3 and trust me, I know him. And I know Dante.

Deadpool wins.
 
TWOxACROSS said:
That's totally debatable, and was probably done so at OBD. It would really depend on how much the passage of time influenced the potency of Alucard's power. Either way, it's not really a discussion for this thread, or even this side of the forum.
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Sure, but you will only come to find out how much time would help Dante or Alucard, in their power growing, it still is a fact that time would help both of them.
You dont have to debate it to come to that conclusion.
 
IncarnatedDemon said:
You dont have to debate it to come to that conclusion.
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Wow... "facts"... "right"... "wrong"..."conclusions"... such absolute terms. :|

I think we just might need the jaws of life just to get that head out of there. :O


TWOxACROSS said:
I know you can't stand to see something from your favorite franchise lose, but take it elsewhere.
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While the same is true for many members of this board, I think it's especially true for this particular member. Which is why I congratulate you for stopping this before it gets out of hand. You know she's never open for compromise so, there's no point in even trying when it comes to debates.

Oh and by the way, Dante's Multi-directional (you can curve it) Angel Warp > Vergil's Three-Directional (forwards, backwards... and upwards? ugh) downgraded Trickster moveset.
 
TWOxACROSS said:
If you don't mind, I'll listen to the guy who I know is mid-way through a dual General Physics and Astrophysics Major, and has been doing so with high grades (pretty much his entire life) :/ Ironically, he also loves Vergil in DMC3, his favorite character in the whole series :P

Then again, there's still the fact that you're applying extremely hypothetical theories and trying to make them fit with your arguments, and that's not something that we can put up as fact. Much like DmC Sparda, we don't have enough actual solid information - it's all theoretical, and just doesn't work.
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But then I have no real argument for choosing whether who's stronger.

The reason being is that I figured that neither DMC 3 Dante or Vergil are all that strong (that's an argument for a different time) and neither are their reboot counterparts. So, to me, this is a tie. But because I want to pick a side, I chose Vergil but I need a basis for my argument. Which leads to this next qoute:

TWOxACROSS said:
Plus, did you ever think that Judgment Cut is really just a magical power from Yamato, just like Rebellion's Overdrive launches magical blades of energy and the like? DMC is series heavily steeped in mysticism, usually the answer for everything supernatural is magic in some sort of way.
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Of course, I did! I would've been a fool not to have done so. But I need something that can give me a legitimate reason for why Vergil is stronger than DmC Dante. Because most of his attacks could be attributed to magic, I could either give up on the idea and just vote "both" or stick with my choice and find some way to move magic out of the picture. The only way possible was through finding some way to explain his moves through physics.

Would you be shocked if I told you I had an magic- based reason for why he's stronger than DmC Dante in the case I ever gave up on using physics?
 
TWOxACROSS said:
I know you can't stand to see something from your favorite franchise lose, but take it elsewhere.
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You said "Time affecting on power is debateable", i said, no...time does have a impact on the power of a character.

Dante existence of 35-40 years vs Alucard who has lived roughly 580 years.

And that is a fact,
So accept that now, because you will come to same conclusion no matter how much you debate it.

Remember something, your assumption is not correct just because it comes from you, you assume wrong about me. Neither does what you said adress my point.
I guess attacking people is much more fun than adressing the point, amrite?

Enjoy your "debate".
 
Chancey289 said:
Dante can't beat Deadpool. Deadpool has a regenerative power that is far more advanced that Dante. It beats Wolverine's and that's pretty impressive in itself. The dude can get his head chopped off and still kill you. He's also got way more of a skill set than Dante. He's a mercenary expertly trained in in so many different areas of combat. And he's insane being unpredictable as f#ck. He f#cking beat Taskmaster.

Also, Deadpool can't f#cking die. Thanos cursed him with life because he was jealous of his relationship with Death. Yea, Deadpool actually got romantically involved with Death itself. He's in to some sh!t. Now him and death will never be together. He's immortal. Dante would get his a$$ f#cking owned and I;m not just saying this because I'm a big Deadpool fan. Spider-Man is still the best superhero ever anyway but Deadpool is like in my top 3 and I trust me, I know him. And I know Dante.

Deadpool wins.
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Go to the ODB website and tell them that.

Being immortal or unkillable doesn't make you unbeatable and its not a matter of who will kill who its more of a matter who will win in a fight.

You can defeat an immortal in many ways......such as dismembering them into many parts (limbs and body parts) and burying them alive.............I wanted to use the scene in Naruto when Shikamaru blows Hidan (an unkillable immortal) into many pieces (he lived that) and buries him alive under pile or rubble.

Unless if Deadpool can teleport his limbs after they've been severed.

Dante still outclasses Deadpool in speed, range, better abilities (can Deadpool stop time?....maybe he did I never read all of the Deadpool comics), DC, and even durability (there isn't much Deadpool can do to Dante).
 
Unknown said:
Well... at least you're being (somewhat) reasonable in your arguments...
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I was always being reasonable. Highly argumentative, sure, but reasonable. The only reason why I wouldn't compromise is because I would have to give up on my reasoning and start from scratch.
 
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