Comic Fans and Racism: Destroying Your Ignorant Arguments
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Would Idris Elba be a badass secret agent? Hell yes!! But I just don't want him to be Bond, the Bond franchise alone needs to pump up the adrenaline cause everything since Casino Royal has been boring as hell, I'd rather Idris Elba be the guy who did the amazing and jump start a brand new franchise that is just as awesome as the Bond franchise and as the franchise goes on, more black actors can succeed him just like the Bond franchise.
That way maybe the Bond franchise can actually make an effort to be fun again.
I'd love to see Idris Elba in a cold war spy movie.
That way maybe the Bond franchise can actually make an effort to be fun again.
I'd love to see Idris Elba in a cold war spy movie.
@Chancey289 dude, there's nothing you can do about it. you've tried, i've tried, many others have tried. people are just like this sometimes. best you can hope for is for people to get over it.
Why couldn't he just be Bond then? It's a role passed to different people every few years. He would make a brilliant James Bond.
And Skyfall was awesome, don't know what you mean by boring.
Because Bond has always been a white guy and should stay that way just like Blade should always be a black guy and so on, don't mean to sound racist or anything but that's how the franchise has always been and should always be, social crap oozing it's way into established franchises needs to stop. After all the age of movies, comics, video games etc is getting worse every day and will NEVER be as good as they used to be with all this crap happening to existing franchises and f**k all new IPs being made.
New IPs need to be made for people of other races and genders rather than just tacking them on to established franchises so they can get some appeal, to me that says "other races can't do their own things so they need to be tacked on to the franchises we made great", they deserve their own IPs that they can make great.
Skyfall was alright but all these modern Bond movies are no fun, I want the days of cars with rocket launchers, jetpacks etc to come back.
Bond was a white guy because Ian Fleming was a pretty much a racist. He wrote those Bond books at a time where prejudice, racism, and xenophobia were things that ran rampant. We don't live in that time anymore.
I simply say Idris Elba should be cast as the next Bond on the sole reason that he is a great actor that would be absolutely brilliant in the role. That's it.
Still, it would be as confusing as **** to change his race all of the sudden, like, is it a reboot, another sequel with a different actor that we are to assume is the same character?
Most of all it would just be confusing.
It doesn't matter, the character shouldn't swap races just because he could, should we make the next Blade movie with Jason Statham just because he's cool like Snipes? F**k no!
Bond needs to stay as he is except for pumping up the fun in the boring movies of today and Idris Elba should become his own character who can stand on his own, I really wanna see him in a Cold War action/spy movie because I love those.
Liam Neeson has made a legendary badass out of himself through his own IP, Idris Elba should too.
While other people will just see the black Johnny Storm, or the black James Bond, I simply see people. I wonder whether or not they would be right for a role based on other factors before ethnicity, gender, etc.
And unless ethnicity plays a crucial role in a fictional character's story, I'm more open to consider other options because I'd just like to see it done well. Simple as that.
People need to stop it with this arbitrary conspiracy theory of a little change ruining everything because it just makes you sound like one of those idiot conservatives who think assbackwards was of life is the only right way.
Kind of amusing really putting it that way. A black guy?! What is this madness?!
Come on. Audiences aren't retarded and would roll with it just like they rolled with every other new actor who took over the mantle.
And unless ethnicity plays a crucial role in a fictional character's story, I'm more open to consider other options because I'd just like to see it done well. Simple as that.
People need to stop it with this arbitrary conspiracy theory of a little change ruining everything because it just makes you sound like one of those idiot conservatives who think assbackwards was of life is the only right way.
How so? James Bond is just a character that's given to so many different people as the years go on who's also been through many different iterations. You wouldn't say Craig's Bond is the same as Pierce Brosnan's Bond.
Kind of amusing really putting it that way. A black guy?! What is this madness?!
Come on. Audiences aren't retarded and would roll with it just like they rolled with every other new actor who took over the mantle.
Personally I think race shouldn't matter. As long as the character is the same, who cares? As long as they show the character's key traits, why does it matter?
Is is actually "racist" to prefer one race in a character over another?
Let's see.
The Oxford dictionary says:
Pronunciation: /ˈreɪsɪz(ə)m/
Definition of racism in English:
noun
[mass noun]Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior: a programme to combat racism
So unless you're advocating that a character shouldn't be black/yellow/purple/whatever because the original race is inherently superior, you probably have a preference, not a racist complex. Much as it makes some people squirm, the idea that people have racial preferences exists, evidenced by the stats. A lot of people find their own race more attractive than others, and tend to date/marry and have kids within their own race. How many interracial couples do you know compared to same race? All the people who date same race - are they racist? Sure, there are other factors at work than just preference there, but even in ethnically diverse places you'll find same race preference prevails in the majority of cases.
And since sex appeal to the target market is something that drives sales, yeah, race comes into it. 99% of these superheroes are buff and/or sexy. Why? Why aren't there more black/non white characters in comics aimed predominantly at a white audience? Why aren't there more non-Asians aimed at the Japanese audience? Go figure. And you gotta ask yourself - as sales is usually the base motivation for the existence of anything commercial - if not outputting black characters because the audience isn't black is dodgy, how dodgy is changing non-black characters to black to try to widen the audience (probably for those sweet extra $$$, of course, not social justice).
Apparently not that many people these days are mouth-frothing racists, but many do have conscious or subconscious preferences and commercial institutions know it and have encouraged it. While most characters are potentially interchangeable, I would warn against just changing a character's race rather than creating a new character from scratch, especially if the character has been around a long time; likely to **** a portion of the fanbase off/divide it. You're posting in one of the places that was a prime example of how fans don't necessarily swallow everything you give them, even if it's just hair dye.
And I would say, to add to this, that changing a long-standing non-black character to black (or any other race) looks to me much like what Hollywood does with remakes and rehashes - rather than risk a new property - or a new character of black race - with the audience, they'd rather exploit an original fanbase's attachment to something. It works, because they've been doing barely anything else for the last 15 years with movie titles, remaking names "people have heard of" or foreign movies "people have heard of" and recasting Americans and an American setting. They can do the same thing with characters and force people to accept them.
If the audience is ready for Black Bond, or black versions of other characters, it should be ready for new characters that are black, right? So why haven't we seen a ton of those...? Have they gotta crowbar new races into old characters for an audience to cope?
Let's see.
The Oxford dictionary says:
Pronunciation: /ˈreɪsɪz(ə)m/
Definition of racism in English:
noun
[mass noun]Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior: a programme to combat racism
So unless you're advocating that a character shouldn't be black/yellow/purple/whatever because the original race is inherently superior, you probably have a preference, not a racist complex. Much as it makes some people squirm, the idea that people have racial preferences exists, evidenced by the stats. A lot of people find their own race more attractive than others, and tend to date/marry and have kids within their own race. How many interracial couples do you know compared to same race? All the people who date same race - are they racist? Sure, there are other factors at work than just preference there, but even in ethnically diverse places you'll find same race preference prevails in the majority of cases.
And since sex appeal to the target market is something that drives sales, yeah, race comes into it. 99% of these superheroes are buff and/or sexy. Why? Why aren't there more black/non white characters in comics aimed predominantly at a white audience? Why aren't there more non-Asians aimed at the Japanese audience? Go figure. And you gotta ask yourself - as sales is usually the base motivation for the existence of anything commercial - if not outputting black characters because the audience isn't black is dodgy, how dodgy is changing non-black characters to black to try to widen the audience (probably for those sweet extra $$$, of course, not social justice).
Apparently not that many people these days are mouth-frothing racists, but many do have conscious or subconscious preferences and commercial institutions know it and have encouraged it. While most characters are potentially interchangeable, I would warn against just changing a character's race rather than creating a new character from scratch, especially if the character has been around a long time; likely to **** a portion of the fanbase off/divide it. You're posting in one of the places that was a prime example of how fans don't necessarily swallow everything you give them, even if it's just hair dye.
And I would say, to add to this, that changing a long-standing non-black character to black (or any other race) looks to me much like what Hollywood does with remakes and rehashes - rather than risk a new property - or a new character of black race - with the audience, they'd rather exploit an original fanbase's attachment to something. It works, because they've been doing barely anything else for the last 15 years with movie titles, remaking names "people have heard of" or foreign movies "people have heard of" and recasting Americans and an American setting. They can do the same thing with characters and force people to accept them.
If the audience is ready for Black Bond, or black versions of other characters, it should be ready for new characters that are black, right? So why haven't we seen a ton of those...? Have they gotta crowbar new races into old characters for an audience to cope?
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Am I the only one then who saw the new Bond is blonde and said f*** this s**t and gave up on the franchise?
I didn't know the 'new' Johnny is black. I guess it's not a far fetch since his sister in the first movie was played by Jessica Alba, and she's not white. Nobody made a hooha about that because it was the first movie, it was new to an audience that wasn't into the comics.
I'm a fan of F4 but knowing now they've recast Johnny's character? Look. I'd have a hard time accepting another white actor. The issue here is not just the colour of his skin, but the fact that no one will play the character as well as the first dude. That's how the audience was introduced to him, that established his fanbase, so what exactly is their motivation for changing his character?
I didn't know the 'new' Johnny is black. I guess it's not a far fetch since his sister in the first movie was played by Jessica Alba, and she's not white. Nobody made a hooha about that because it was the first movie, it was new to an audience that wasn't into the comics.
I'm a fan of F4 but knowing now they've recast Johnny's character? Look. I'd have a hard time accepting another white actor. The issue here is not just the colour of his skin, but the fact that no one will play the character as well as the first dude. That's how the audience was introduced to him, that established his fanbase, so what exactly is their motivation for changing his character?
Well for starters the new film is a reboot, with an all new cast. Not just Johnny
EDIT: Also Chris Evans is Captain America now, why would he wanna go back?
They actually did that, I believe it was like a what if story, showing how the American Government did experiments on African Americans, I believe it was titled Red, White, and Black
I reckon 'they're' acclimating the audience to the idea that a character is not something static, but can be gender-swapped, race-swapped, rehashed and reiterated ad infinitum, as then it's just easier to make money out of them and adapt them to any situation for any purpose, maybe even to climb on the SJ bandwagon and make it look as if the reason isn't just profit. The exact same thing was done with DMC for the purposes of money. Dante didn't need to be rehashed but he was - because they hoped the "fresh take" would bring them more money.
If that's the way it's gonna be I guess we'll all just have to let go of nuances and definitives of a particular character we might be attached to because tomorrow it might a whole different person with only the name in common. Characters as concepts or costumes, we'll be expected to accept because "we liked the first one".
DC as Bond never quite worked for me. It's not just his hair, it's something else about him. It wasn't his hair that made me give up on the franchise though, it was Quantum of Solace.
you know actually the current spawn is white
Al Simmons eventually got to the point where he committed suicide and then this new guy is call Jim Downing
but Al Simmons soul is still with him or something and then Al Simmons became a evil mega spawn or something
i not entirely sure spawn is confusing
Al Simmons eventually got to the point where he committed suicide and then this new guy is call Jim Downing
but Al Simmons soul is still with him or something and then Al Simmons became a evil mega spawn or something
i not entirely sure spawn is confusing