Am I the only person who understands Tameem?

[Loopy]

Clearly not. It was a cheap shot.

Let's have a look at this, because it's worth reiterating:

http://www.capcom-europe.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67552

He shouldn't care about obvious trolling and stupid twitter messages. A creator shouldn't compromise for the sake of rabid crazy fans. But if someone has a serious concern, maybe to do with gamplay, then listen. So far, I see if a person is polite to him on twitter, generally he will answer back.
Maybe they should have got more fan feedback early on in the design stages of the game and that could have avoided some of the problem. Also, PR could have been done better. Alex Jones, nice guy.....but why did they take him to TGS when he knows no Japanese? He was like a bunny in the headlights of a truck during that presentation.Also a slight habit of putting his foot in his mouth. Has he done PR before?
That's all I've got to say on that^_^

 

[Macabre]

He shouldn't care about obvious trolling and stupid twitter messages. A creator shouldn't compromise for the sake of rabid crazy fans. But if someone has a serious concern, maybe to do with gamplay, then listen. So far, I see if a person is polite to him on twitter, generally he will answer back.
Maybe they should have got more fan feedback early on in the design stages of the game and that could have avoided some of the problem. Also, PR could have been done better. Alex Jones, nice guy.....but why did they take him to TGS when he knows no Japanese? He was like a bunny in the headlights of a truck during that presentation.Also a slight habit of putting his foot in his mouth. Has he done PR before?
That's all I've got to say on that^_^

If a person is in the public eye they should treat the public with respect, even if there are those who won't return it. It's common sense to try and win over the crowd rather than repeatedly mouthing off at their expense, punishing everyone for what the idiots in the crowd do.

NT have demostrated themselves as a creative group who pride themselves on the graphical and narrative level, trying to provide the best human interactions work they can.

Tragically of course they have demonstrated an unwillingness to provide this in terms of their products or their personal conduct.

It's tragic because as a British citizen myself I'm heartened when one of our studios does well and hurt when they fail. I look to the left of my screen at the end of every sentence I type and am filled with a profound sense of disgust and shame.

 

[Loopy]

If a person is in the public eye they should treat the public with respect, even if there are those who won't return it. It's common sense to try and win over the crowd rather than repeatedly mouthing off at their expense, punishing everyone for what the idiots in the crowd do.I did say he should listen to serious concerns and the PR should have been a lot better on their end. Shot themselves in the foot sadly.

NT have demostrated themselves as a creative group who pride themselves on the graphical and narrative level, trying to provide the best human interactions work they can.

Tragically of course they have demonstrated an unwillingness to provide this in terms of their products or their personal conduct.

It's tragic because as a British citizen myself I'm heartened when one of our studios does well and hurt when they fail. I look to the left of my screen at the end of every sentence I type and am filled with a profound sense of disgust and shame.

Yep I'm from the UK too. I don't exactly feel disgust and shame though. There are other things about the UK I could get more feelings of disgust towards than a game studio. ^_^

 

[Macabre]

Yep I'm from the UK too. I don't exactly feel disgust and shame though. There are other things about the UK I could get more feelings of disgust towards than a game studio. ^_^

I'm not saying that the BNP don't annoy me more than NT, but Britain has had so many wonderful videogames made within it's borders and fantastic concepts pioneered here. There's a legacy to be honoured, and it pains me when a British studio fails so publicly and distastefully. NT could have been the next Psygnosis.

I miss you Psygnosis.

 

[DarkSlayer54]

I'll just throw my two cents in here before taking a step back.

I don't really understand how someone could truly hate DmC. Like, yeah... I hated it too, didn't like Dante, didn't like Vergil.... like, I would NEVER trash anyone at NT over it, but none the less... being on this forum has really opened my eyes.
It's made me think of passed games, like Chrono Trigger, Dragon Ball Z, Burnout, Spyro, Crash Bandicoot, Battlefield, and even Call of Duty have all moved away from what I loved about them. Chrono Trigger was a classic, and I DID enjoy Chrono Cross.... but throughout the game I really missed the instant battles, the time travel, and even the characters... yet, I never dissed anyone that said it was the best game ever, or anything silly like that. The game itself constantly made little nods towards Chrono Trigger, and I loved that. It's something DmC does too.
Battlefield really took a huge turn. With Battlefield 3 I was expecting them to go back to the BF2 formula, and they didn't of course... but that's just how it is. Games change, heck... look at Dragon Ball Z games. Those really took a turn for the worst... but I still managed to enjoy Burst Limit. It definitely didn't hold up to the Budokai series, but it still added some cool features and ideas that were steps in the right direction, but sadly the game overall was a bit of a let down. It's not like I made any threats over it though, it's just how it is.
With DmC, when I first heard of it... I had a strong dislike towards it since it was just so different from the previous games, even more so than the previous games were to each other (if that makes any sense)... but you know, thinking back, it's really not a big deal. I should point out, that I love DmC. I got all the concept art, and sadly I got bored of the story.... but hey, the replay value exceeded DMC1:HD's total playtime.

This isn't directed to anyone, but whenever I see hate comments (threats and what not) towards DmC I just think... why? Not only is it just a game, but all games do this. Old school aspects to FPS's have slowly died out. Now every game wants to be like CoD (which isn't a bad thing), but it's over saturated with the same core ideas (bullet counts, health regen, killstreaks, perks). Heck, look at WW2 games. Those died out too. The trend seems to be modern warfare or future warfare. My point is, games change. For better of for the worst. When I think about it... comparing DmC to DMC3 is like comparing Battlefield 3 to Battlefield 2. Heck... comparing the DMC series is like comparing the BF series now that I think about it. They're all really different from each other, yet they all keep the core aspect that made them great (style/teamwork). I enjoy BF3, and I think it's a good game. I would love another BF1942, or even another BF2... but those games required a lot of teamwork. They wouldn't appeal to as many players like BF3 does. So really, how can I expect EA/Dice to go back to their roots when there's more money to be made this way? This last question doesn't apply to DMC, I just felt like throwing it out there as food for thought.

Anyway, I'll probably end up going around in circles with this so I'll just end it here.

PS: I should add that this post revolves around opinion.

 

[Mister Z]

Since I've never played any other NT title before, I can't say much about the studio, but I can confidently pressume a lot of people working on it are well intentioned, enthusiastic workers who enjoyed developing a videogame they were hired to produce, and are far from being assholes.

Tameem himself, however, is another story. I don't really hate him, but I think his whole attitude about the DmC issue was plain immature and unprofessional. I'll agree wiht Macabre in that if you're a public figure, no matter in what field of position, talking bad about a group of people in particular will end up making you gain disrespect from the general public. Being respectful may not gain you respect from many, but not being respectful will not gain you respect from anyone. And when you're a public figure, not only you risk your own image, but that of your entire company, associates and products. Turns you into the kind of people no one wants to relate to and in the end stops you from getting hired by companies who want to keep a professional and respectable reputation.

I like and support DmC, but Tameem himself, I think he should change that ass attitude of his if he doesn't want the image of NT damaged along with his own any further.

 

[AlchemistFromEden]

If a person is in the public eye they should treat the public with respect, even if there are those who won't return it. It's common sense to try and win over the crowd rather than repeatedly mouthing off at their expense, punishing everyone for what the idiots in the crowd do.

NT have demostrated themselves as a creative group who pride themselves on the graphical and narrative level, trying to provide the best human interactions work they can.

Tragically of course they have demonstrated an unwillingness to provide this in terms of their products or their personal conduct.

It's tragic because as a British citizen myself I'm heartened when one of our studios does well and hurt when they fail. I look to the left of my screen at the end of every sentence I type and am filled with a profound sense of disgust and shame.

once again, hideki kamiya curses out fans all the time, and you praise him for it, obviously you have NO ide how stressful even making a model is and would probably fail the half filled sack test let alone an actual 3d model

 

[Macabre]

once again, hideki kamiya curses out fans all the time, and you praise him for it, obviously you have NO ide how stressful even making a model is and would probably fail the half filled sack test let alone an actual 3d model

No, I don't praise Kamiya as an individual, he's kind of a cock most of the time, but at least the man knows how to make a decent videogame. Shinji Mikami is the same, but the man knows his craft. Antonaides has never made an above average videogame, and needed actually competant people to make Baby's First Devil May Cry Combat System because he and his cronies couldn't.

As usual you lump everyone with an opposing opinion into the same camp and resort to the most pathetic retorts possible.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LetsSeeYouDoBetter

Apply yourself.

 

[scionicspectre]

I think only a few of my friends who played the originals (starting with DMC 1, of course) thought the old Dante was cool in the first place. In most cases, even other fans thought Dante was a kinda' lame anime-styled character that was only cool through his acrobatics and ability to take whatever came to him. His look and jokes weren't really what got us to like him.

So yeah, as much as I love the old Dante, I was sick of him way before DMC 4. I mean, you have to like him just for saving the world and being able to take down his brother when he must. But that doesn't mean I could see myself hanging out with the old Dante. The new one is more my kind of guy, and I think that allowed me to get much closer to his character even if he's not absurdly powerful and overconfident to begin with. He's a Dante that makes sense, and I like him a lot more for that reason.

 

[DarkSlayerZero]

l

It's like each Dante was a reboot of the original. I wish they had been more consistent with his personality and kept it closer to DMC1 for all Dantes. Maybe
DMC3 could be different because he's younger, but that's about it.

He never acted like an idiot in the DMC1 novel.

 

[ToCool74]

Nice to see that the majority of the fans on this site seem to not be tired of the old Dante.^_^

Its kinda sad really that some people actually got tired of Dante.

I just wonder if it was because of the new reboot and new Dante or if they simply got tired of him before this whole thing.

 

[V's patron]

I don't hate Tameem cause I dont even know the guy and I once read an article on gamasutra with him that was good.

I do believe that he could have handled the PR better because his quotes didn't help the situation. Ultimately i understand that he is in a compromising position and such, but ultimately he is the public face/spokesperson so it falls on him to get his act together and act professional.

He is in a better position to defuse the hate since he holds all the cards.

I do think the other problem with his quotes is that they dont give much insight into to why he feels that wayand overall feel very shalllow. Funny thing is most of his quotes could have been disarmed had he just said more or said it differently.

Like " I dont care" could have been "I dont care about the fans who call me a fag and dont add anything else to the discussion".

 

[ToCool74]

I do believe that he could have handled the PR better because his quotes didn't help the situation. Ultimately i understand that he is in a compromising position and such, but ultimately he is the public face/spokesperson so it falls on him to get his act together and act professional.

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THANK YOU!

That is exactly how I feel about his behavior as well.

I remember getting my head bit off by a couple of supporters for saying that on another topic lol.

 

[V's patron]

THANK YOU!

That is exactly how I feel about his behavior as well.

I remember getting my head bit off by a couple of supporters for saying that on another topic lol.

Your welcome.

I feel he could have someone else just do th PR/presentation while he attends to other matters.

 

[Macabre]

I don't hate Tameem cause I dont even know the guy and I once read an article on gamasutra with him that was good.

I do believe that he could have handled the PR better because his quotes didn't help the situation. Ultimately i understand that he is in a compromising position and such, but ultimately he is the public face/spokesperson so it falls on him to get his act together and act professional.

He is in a better position to defuse the hate since he holds all the cards.

I do think the other problem with his quotes is that they dont give much insight into to why he feels that wayand overall feel very shalllow. Funny thing is most of his quotes could have been disarmed had he just said more or said it differently.

Like " I dont care" could have been "I dont care about the fans who call me a fag and dont add anything else to the discussion".

Point better made than I have chief, good going.

Regardless of what anyone might think of his work as a game designer, I think we can take for granted that the PR was inexcusable.

 

[EvilX-81]

THANK YOU!

That is exactly how I feel about his behavior as well.

I remember getting my head bit off by a couple of supporters for saying that on another topic lol.

I agree that things could have been handled better as demonstrated by Z2.

But the thing is, the majority fan reaction was "**** YOU TAMTAM HOPE YOU DIE IN A FIRE RUINED THE AWESOME DMC BWAARRRGGGGHHHHH"

He responds with "I don't care."

I don't see how that was "bad" reply. Yet it seems like people take it that he doesn't care about the project itself, and want him to suck up to them for ruining their cherished franchise while they spit in his eye.

Though I like DMC, I didn't feel insulted by what he said, because I wasn't one of those people and pretty much knew it was in reply those that are trolling his twitters, sending hate mail and death threats, instead of perhaps, the people who also genuinely did not like the change but didn't go over the moon with their utter hate and rage. This particular fan reaction was pretty ridic, possibly topping the ME3 ending shenanigans.

 

[Macabre]

I don't see how that was "bad" reply. Yet it seems like people take it that he doesn't care about the project itself, and want him to suck up to them for ruining their cherished franchise while they spit in his eye.

Nobody asked him to kowtow, it's just common sense to say something along the lines of "I understand why people might be upset, and I take their criticism on board. I want every fan of Devil May Cry to be as happy as I am with the project, because it's thanks to them that the series became the sensation just as much as the designers whose shoes I'm trying to fill. I want you to be happy because, in the end, I'm one of you."

Not "I don't care.", because it's such a vague rebuttal that it implies he is apathetic to his entire install base. Imagine if a politician said that about his constituents; he'd never live it down.

 

[HatredIsJoy]

Kamiya made some excellent games, TamTam is a nobody who made two (and now, possibly, three) flops in a row. He didn't earned the privilege to insult the fans and get away with it, no matter how much **** they fling at him.

 

[AlchemistFromEden]

Kamiya made some excellent games, TamTam is a nobody who made two (and now, possibly, three) flops in a row. He didn't earned the privilege to insult the fans and get away with it, no matter how much **** they fling at him.

"you make nice games, so **** me up the ass as much as you want mr kamiya, you can do and say anything to me, i don't care"
this is your logic -_- this is the definition of fanboy

 

[Macabre]

Kamiya made some excellent games, TamTam is a nobody who made two (and now, possibly, three) flops in a row. He didn't earned the privilege to insult the fans and get away with it, no matter how much **** they fling at him.

I don't think you should set a precedent for accepting when people abuse you, no matter how talented they are. Granted there are plenty of people who have produced great works and been assholes in their personal lives, but it's hardly behaviour you should encourage. If Kamiya is being a prick, call him a prick.

But at the very least the man makes me laugh when he's being a prick.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=507443