All about Dragon Ball/Z/GT/Super

[ROCKMAN X]

1. Just because Gotenks goes SuperSaiyan 3 doesn't make it equal to an adult SuperSaiyan 3, especially an adult who's been training & fighting far longer than a children who's had far less battle experience then all the adult Z-fighters.

Just because Goku is an exceptionally skilled fighter doesn’t make him automatically superior then a Fusion Character Gotenks has more potential

I never said Gotenks was equal to SSJ3 i just said he had equal amount of Raw power b/c of Fusion gotenks is retarded and would easily get beaten by Goku

4. Again why do you exaggerate Ultimate Gohan power level?

Ultimate Gohan is slightly stronger then a 1st ever transformation SuperSaiyan 3 adult, that's it.

where did I ? if not anything it’s the show itself which is exaggerating Ultimate Gohan

We all know that SSJ2 vegeta is lightyears ahead of SSJ2 gohan RIGHT?? and he was killed by a Semi-suppressed Fat BUU and it would take a SSJ3 to kill Buu as stated by goku

Super Buu is basically 10% stronger then Fat buu

So what makes you think that Gohan can come back having SUCH A huge leap in power and still be considered weaker than SSJ3 Goku ?

Only a goku fanboy would say that

5. 20episodes trying to kill something & a little training with a Kai does not equal a lifetime of fighting from child Dragonball to adult Dragonball Z.

WHY ARE YOU PUTTING YOUR LOGIC ?? Is that so hard ??
Gohan gets his potential unlocked (gets as strong as SSJ3) Beats the crap out of Super buu

6. Ultimate Buu.....is weaker then Kidbuu

Dude seriously… what are you smoking ? I can wholeheartedly agree that Super Buu is weaker then Kidbuu BUT UltimateBuu REALLY ? REALLY ?

The form which forced Goku to Fuse with Vegeta ?? the most rudimentary rule of DBZ is that Fusion Characters are Stronger then non-fused ones

 

[ROCKMAN X]

anything more is nothing but exaggerated fanboy/fangirl hype.

Gohan is as strong as SSJ3 Goku

8. Then it's nothing more then BS if toriyama sets up one way earlier on in the series then neglects or forgets how his universe is setup to properly apply in it properly later in the same series. Very inconsistent.

Dbz is dumb and always has been since the infamous "over 9000" joke

9. No i'm using the Dragonball Z logic as it was setup from the start of Dragonball Z.

Well if the theories are not even remotely shown to be applicable in Next saga then you simply cannot Zenkai was never mentioned after Cell saga because its dumb all goku would need to do is

"Hey vegeta lets just morally beat each other up and get healed by dende that way we can get as strong as we want without using fusion or training anywhere"

and you said a Fused character (Ultimate Buu) is Weaker then Non-Fused Kid buu that's just your logic

Buuhan is a fanboy/fangirl term & not an official name. The Buu classification stopped at SuperBuu before he went back to his original form KidBuu.

Oh my bad then Toei must be really retarded to use that term in every merchandise and whatever the official term its just easy to type geez -_-

Yes, the Vegito fusion was overkill.

WHAT ? i thought i was talking about goku being "FORCED" to fuse because of overwhelming force of Ultimate Buu

And who said Goku's SuperSaiyan 3 was his Ultimate form?

It was in buu saga.... and still is as GT is non-canon and SSJGOD isn't available for all saiyans

All saiyans that gets stronger with each battle, that's how it was setup.

Idk but that's discarded wayy off in freiza saga again what you're trying to make is silly

"Hey vegeta how about we just keep fighting and keep getting stronger ? no need for fusions or special training" its just like saying

"Broly's power is infinite his power keeps growing" not logical or In-context of anything

However Gohan got weaker.

and got quickly became incredibly strong

 

[ToCool74]

and besides its really stupid to call Ultimate Buu weaker then Kid buu when Ultimate Buu clearly was so overwhelming for Goku that it forced him to fuse with vegeta what more "Evidence" do you need ?

Agreed fully.

Not to be rude t vampirewiked, but this is pretty cut and dry logic here and if you still can't see that then I would advice both of you to just end it since it will go nowhere.

If kid buu was the strongest than the whole fusion idea that goku stressed so much would be completely pointless since surely if Kid Buu was the strongest he would be able to beat a 2 buus (Buutenks or Buuhan) who are below Kid Buus power.

After all, even you would be able to see that even in the source manga material that Goku SSJ3 was able to do damage and put up a good fight against Kid Buu.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

@ROCKMAN X
Sorry but the link i gave clearly says KidBuu is stronger.

oh yes a wikia page which can be edited by anyone is sure a RELIABLE source for a counter argument

 

[ROCKMAN X]

lol Yea funny how you stick by fan terms like Mystic Gohan & Buuhan but find a wiki unreliable.

How i call him is Irrelevant i never claimed Bullsh!t pointing out an unreliable source you did

 

[Sparda's rejected son]

Didn't I just have a discussion about Kid being the strongest Buu with you guys ands still going on? Lol

DBGT fights are "better" with Japanese background music tried and true. I always watch English DBGT with Japanese background music on. The Funi version is boring. I don't blame Goku forgetting about the Android palm absorption powers. After many years of fighting dudes with natural powers it makes sense how he'd forget.
SS4 is wild and rash, it changes Goku and Vegeta attitude makes them more brute than brain.

 

[ToCool74]

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What would Gohan, Trucks, Goten, 4th step in power evolution & transformation look like. ​

Well sadly I would have to guess that there would not be a forth step for them.

The best they could hope for in my opinion would be a fully controlled SSJ3 form similar to the fully controlled SSJ1 form Goku and Gohan used to fight perfect Cell.

 

[Sparda's rejected son]

I don't think they would have a forth form More than likely Gohan would strengthen Ultimate form and Gotenks master SS3. Maybe Gohan would become a SS4 with yellow fur lol.

 

[ToCool74]

I don't think they would have a forth form More than likely Gohan would strengthen Ultimate form and Gotenks master SS3. Maybe Gohan would become a SS4 with yellow fur lol.

Well if we are going by GT than where the hell was Gohan's ultimate form lol?

that was one of the things that struck me as weird when watching GT.

Its like he somehow either completely lost it or the anime team just somehow forgot it.

 

[Sparda's rejected son]

Well if we are going by GT than where the hell was Gohan's ultimate form lol?

that was one of the things that struck me as weird when watching GT.

Its like he somehow either completely lost it or the anime team just somehow forgot it.

Well The Battle of Gods movie shows that Gohan can become a SS1 and Ultimate at will. The two forms are treated as separate things according to the Manga. In GT's case Gohan maybe used SS powers as a "add on" to his Ultimate form powers. More than likely the anime forgot and/or only used SS Gohan to contrast how different and better SS4 form is.

 

[ToCool74]

In GT's case Gohan maybe used SS powers as a "add on" to his Ultimate form powers.

well I can't help but doubt that honestly.

Due to the fact that if he was able to "add on" to his ultimate form with a SSJ transformation (which adds a 50x powerpoost) than he would have to have gotten TREMENDOUSLY weak if he is still considered to be weaker than Vegeta during the baby saga.

And no, I doubt Vegeta managed to not only pass Ultimate Gohan's power but also it multiplied by 50x with a SSJ transformation by GT.

Thats why its more logical to think that he either somehow lost that power in GT or the anime team who made it just made a blunder.

It not out of the ordinary, not long before Battle of the gods was released it had a trailer of a SSJ Gohan going to attack Bills, but before it was released someone must have caught the mistake and corrected it by having Gohan use his ultimate form.

I think that the ultimate form is a entirely different transformation that can not be "stacked" by a SSJ transformation.

its either he can be one or the other and he went SSJ to help Goku reach SSJ God form since his Ultimate power has nothing to do with his Saiyan heritage.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

Now if SuperSaiyan 4 is restricted to pure blood Saiyans. And Super Saiyan, Ascended Saiyan & Super Saiyan 3 isn't restricted to pure blood Saiyans & those are the natural forms of power evolution in a Saiyan's transformation.

Answer is Rather Simple SSJ3 is flawed it absorbs too much energy

 

[ROCKMAN X]

I think that the ultimate form is a entirely different transformation that can not be "stacked" by a SSJ transformation.

its either he can be one or the other and he went SSJ to help Goku reach SSJ God form since his Ultimate power has nothing to do with his Saiyan heritage.

I don't think Ultimate Gohan is a transformation AT ALL

its just unlocked potential for Gohan which is at mercy of the writers

Off-topic :-

Which one of these is a fake ???

WHAT THE **** MAN ? people say gohan is mystic in the movie but the trailer has gohan going SSJ are the trailers photo-shopped ?

 

[ToCool74]

Which one of these is a fake ???

WHAT THE **** MAN ? people say gohan is mystic in the movie but the trailer has gohan going SSJ are the trailers photo-shopped ?

Read my previous post, I already brought this up lol.

Most likely was a mistake when making the trailer that was corrected upon the movie release.

 

[Sparda's rejected son]

The picture of Gohan as SS1 is real. Its a promo picture for DBZ BotG. Gohan transforms both into a SS1 and Ultimate form in the movie. Beers (as its been romanized-blah, blah) beats Ultimate Gohan super easliy.

 

[ToCool74]

Okay what's this about ????​

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however, Super Saiyan 3 Goku is shown to be more powerful than Ultimate Gohan in Wrath of the Dragon; Gohan cannot hit Hirudegarn or block any of his attacks, while Super Saiyan 3 Goku almost single-handedly defeats the monster.

That movie is non canon as in it was not made by Akira Toriyama.

In fact, the only movie he actually has had a big role in is this recent one.

The others where handled by the anime team who drew ideas from the manga.

So no offense, but that example is not going to hold much weight here.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

Super Saiyan 3 Goku is shown to be more powerful than Ultimate Gohan in Wrath of the Dragon; Gohan cannot hit Hirudegarn or block any of his attacks, while Super Saiyan 3 Goku almost single-handedly defeats the monster.

Even though its non-canon Goku only won because he found Hirudegarn's weak spot and attacked him with Dragon fist

 

[ROCKMAN X]

The picture of Gohan as SS1 is real. Its a promo picture for DBZ BotG. Gohan transforms both into a SS1 and Ultimate form in the movie. Beers (as its been romanized-blah, blah) beats Ultimate Gohan super easliy.

what bugs me is that there are two versions of the same scene so that means that the trailer is Hoax and in the movie he doesn't go SSJ at all ???

 

[Sparda's rejected son]

what bugs me is that there are two versions of the same scene so that means that the trailer is Hoax and in the movie he doesn't go SSJ at all ???

No the trailer is real as in the picture. Gohan goes Ultimate to fight Beers, he transforms into a SS1 to give Goku his "light."

 

[ROCKMAN X]

No the trailer is real as in the picture. Gohan goes Ultimate to fight Beers, he transforms into a SS1 to give Goku his "light."

But in the trailer is seems like Gohan's charging into a fight

How many occasions did Gohan go SSJ ?