All about Dragon Ball/Z/GT/Super

[ROCKMAN X]

She's still not a Saiyan ​

so what if she isn't ? it is proven that half-saiyans can't go golden great ape

Just conveniently written for the show.

well it is and you have to accept it​

 

[ROCKMAN X]

How many have you seen try ?

they can't... now why do you think bulma did not do that to trunks,goten AND Gohan ?? but only to vegeta ?? because it only works on Pure blooded saiyans otherwise they could've had like freaking 5 SSJ4 beating the CRAP out of omega shenron

Bulma's probably has a master degree on Genetics and Saiyan biology just saiyan

 

[ROCKMAN X]

Well probably because Vegeta is her husband & she's going to back him first before anyone else

But she'll let her son die in the hands of a Godly dragon ??? gee such a good mother she is

Because blutz rays works on half Saiyans.

From what we've seen in GT i'd say its impossible

So Gohan transform into a giant ape, go SuperSaiyan, but he can't go SuperSaiyan while in the giant ape form ?

yes because the writers were smoking Meth

Its ridiculous the entire thing makes no sense anyway

It doesn't that's why no one likes GT nothing whatsoever makes any logical sense in GT


off-topic:Hey is that Shantae in your sign ?? i played that game in like 2004

 

[ROCKMAN X]

Well who's stronger? Vegeta or Trunks? So why not put your best foot forward

Hell why not both ? 2 is better then 2 and 3 is for gang rape

Yea & GT also forgotten this

Vegeta's artificial moonlight technique, as well as Vegeta's complete control over the giant ape form.​

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Oh Yes ! Vegeta always had a control over Great Ape form.. GT IS BALLS ****ing impossible and he could've created the fake moon too -_- so he never freaking needed to bulma in the first place WTF ??

 

[ROCKMAN X]

But it's BS because Vegeta's tail wasn't permanent, it's like after the SuperSaiyan 4 transformation his tail died.

LMAO they screwed up their own logic

I'm currently p!ssed to know that many idiots are hating on DBZ and claiming all this bullsh!t up

> kai is more accurate to manga has no fillers and hence automatically better than Z
> kai is more popular than Z
> DBZ has "Childish jokes"
> Kai has better Music

IDK WTF ? they have to be like middle school kids.. considering kai was just released on 2009 -_- HOW THE FU*K do they dare call DBZ crap ? its beyond me these little kids need to shunned off DragonBall fansbase !

EDIT: all i was saying was wank DB:Kai all you wish just don't hate the legendary Dub

 

[Sparda's rejected son]

She's still not a Saiyan ​

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Just conveniently written for the show.​

Bulma has shown to be a smart chick since Dragon Ball. Her family made the CC. Vegeta's fake moon was just that, a fake moon, it created Blutz Waves so Vegeta could transform. Why didn't Vegeta use it GT? Because why create a fake moon when he has no tail?! The machine Bulma forced so much Blutz Waves into Baby and Vegeta it grew (Vegeta's) tail back by force. Since it wasn't natural Vegeta lost his "created tail" when he ran out of SS4 power.
If I'm not mistaken I believe the Japanese dub says only full-blood Saiyans can obtain the form. Its been a long time since I've watched DBGT in Jap dub so if I'm wrong its understandable.

Also why make Gohan or adult Trunks a SS4? Gohan and Trunks are useless. Ultimate Gohan lost too Gotenks Buu and must likely would lose to Kid Buu. Vegeta says that Goku is the only person around who can go toe to toe with Kid Buu and clearly Goku had problems with him. So why have Gohan become a SS4? Its pointless, let Goku handle everything. Trunks and Goten are usless because their fighting skills amount to nothing. A Super Ghost K attack would've beat Omega Shenron, oy yeah... 0_0 Birusu said Gotenks has a good fighting sense but seeing as SSG Goku didn't totally impressive Birusu, I'd say yeah let Son Goku handle everything.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

Since it wasn't natural Vegeta lost his "created tail" when he ran out of SS4 power.

Now that's just B.S logic how can a tail go back ?

If I'm not mistaken I believe the Japanese dub says only full-blood Saiyans can obtain the form. Its been a long time since I've watched DBGT in Jap dub so if I'm wrong its understandable

Yeah that's what i was trying to say

Also why make Gohan or adult Trunks a SS4? Gohan and Trunks are useless. Ultimate Gohan lost too Gotenks Buu and must likely would lose to Kid Buu.

WUT ? are you kidding me ? when you have the chance to make everyone SSJ4 then they would've just done it for the hell's sake ! even being an amateur they're still SSJ4's and not to mention Fusions

Vegeta says that Goku is the only person around who can go toe to toe with Kid Buu and clearly Goku had problems with him.

OH REALLY ? Because Goku had SSJ3 and vegeta didn't and even without SSJ3 Vegeta fought Kid-buu at SSj2(Which Goku could have never done)

It is proven fact that Vegeta is the most persuasive character in the entire DBZ universe

So why have Gohan become a SS4? Its pointless, let Goku handle everything.

ITS Not like Omega shenron can Abosorb him so SCREW logic why not just go SSJ4 when you have the chance ????

Trunks and Goten are usless because their fighting skills amount to nothing. A Super Ghost K attack would've beat Omega Shenron, oy yeah... 0_0 Birusu said Gotenks has a good fighting sense but seeing as SSG Goku didn't totally impressive Birusu, I'd say yeah let Son Goku handle everything.

SSJ4 Double barrel Ghost Barrage KAMIKAZE would Annihilate Omega shenron.. just saiyan

 

[ROCKMAN X]

Well as much as i like Vegeta over Goku, Vegeta was getting beat up.
Going toe 2 toe is different then being overwhelmed, Vegeta was overwhelmed. Goku went toe 2 toe with Kid Buu using his SuperSaiyan 3.

Vegeta was still resisting and fought Kid buu for like 20 minutes at SSJ2 even when Kid buu was clearly on par with SSJ3 now that's a great feat on itself

Gohan SSJ2 was defeated in one punch of suppressed Fat buu

Going toe 2 toe Even though Kid Buu was clearly toying with Goku at his SuperSaiyan 3, Goku still gave almost as good as he got.

I never said he was going toe-to-toe Vegeta was outmatched from the start and still kept buu occupied for a long time (which i doubt goku could've done at SSJ2)

 

[Sparda's rejected son]

I think I'm able to accept DB/Z/GT inconsistencies more so than every one else lol.
VW is right SS2 Vegeta was bullied by Kid Buu, its more obvious in the Manga since the fight is short. Goku said he could've beat Fat Buu as SS3, but against Super Buu Goku relied on both Fusions and Ultimate Gohan when all that failed and Buu became Kid (the strongest Buu?) Goku became the only person to Duke it out with the crazy imp.

Well Gohan had a tail and if SS4 is for pure bloods than Gohan is still useless lol. Goten and Trunks were both without a tail so useless! Lol

Its BS logic because medicine allows us to strength, produce, etc chemicals lacking in our body which are normally natural. Think of Vegeta losing his tail as him running out of Viagra time lol!

 

[ROCKMAN X]

Buu became Kid (the strongest Buu?) Goku became the only person to Duke it out with the crazy imp.

Kid buu isn't the most "Strongest" Buuhan is.. kid buu is the most insane one who can't be reasoned with

 

[Sparda's rejected son]

Gohan Buu calls him self the strongest but is true? I'm look it up.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

Gohan Buu calls him self the strongest but is true? I'm look it up.

going by the feats...

SSJ 3 Goku is on par with Kid buu and stronger than Fat Buu

SSJ 3 Goku gets owned by Buuhan and is forced to fuse with Vegeta..

So there you have it Buuhan was actually more stronger than Kid buu but not insane

 

[Sparda's rejected son]

Checking the Kanzenshuu website the best I can I understand is that SS3 Goku Beats Fat Buu, Super Buu and his forms made Goku believe he couldn't win,Goku went to toe to toe with Kid even thou he wasn't at full power. He didn't fully realize how being alive sabotages SS3. Kid Buu is treated as worse than Super Buu not because of his behavior.
SS3 Goku vs Gohan Buu is filler not Manga

My best guess of strength is as follows
Good guys:
SS4 Gogeta
SS4 Son Goku
SS4 Vegeta
SS Gogeta
SS Vegeto
Ultimate Gohan
SS3 Gotenks
Everyone else lol Depending on how SSG Goku ranks besides the SS4's SSG could be stronger than SS4 Gogeta!

 

[ROCKMAN X]

Checking the Kanzenshuu website the best I can I understand is that SS3 Goku Beats Fat Buu, Super Buu and his forms made Goku believe he couldn't win,Goku went to toe to toe with Kid even thou he wasn't at full power. He didn't fully realize how being alive sabotages SS3
Kid Buu is treated as worse than Super Buu not because of his behavior.

well its obvious that Goku is afraid of Buuhan because he's outmatched Buuhan is technically a Fusion character so he's stronger than Kid Buu no questions here

Buuhan > Buutenks > Kid buu > Super buu > Fat Buu

"That means the small one over there is the first,most dangerous one" NOT STRONGEST but the most dangerous

Depending on how SSG Goku ranks besides the SS4's SSG could be stronger than SS4 Gogeta

SSJ4 Gogeta is still the most strongest character... even more stronger than SSG[/quote]

 

[ROCKMAN X]

Buuhan ? OMG Really?

UH YES !! BUUHAN is 1000X stronger than SSJ3 and it forced Goku to fuse with vegeta because it was impossible for him to fight Buuhan

Anyway Kid Buu is the original form, & anyone absorbed only weakened the original form.

Pay attention.. Only absorption of Kais made Buu weaker.. Not Ultimate Gohan who was pretty much as strong as SSJ3 it only multiplied his power like fusion

Kid Buu was toying with SuperSaiyan 3 Goku the entire time.

Where did you get that idea from ? Kid buu doesn't have a reasonable brain who can restrain himself he's a berserk monster equal to SSJ3 and just a little bit stronger than Fat buu

Yea SuperSaiyan 3 Goku made him mad but Kid Buu was still toying with SuperSaiyan 3 Goku, & if Kid Buu wasn't crazy, he would've killed Goku & Vegeta like they were nothing.

He was already insane.. and was pretty much looking to beat the sh!t out both vegeta&goku

 

[ROCKMAN X]

I just realized GT Goku is RETARDED.....

I mean he has gone through the SAME SH!T like 30 years ago

is it just me or is SSJ 1 fighting android 19 more exciting then SSJ4 fighting Super 17 ?

 

[ROCKMAN X]

Buuhan LOL such a Gohan fanboy crush is so ridiculous.

Its what everyone else calls that form calling him Super buu(Gohan absorbed) is rather long

Your sweetheart ultimate Gohan lol still couldn't beat a fused SuperSaiyan 3 Gotenks & Piccolo, SuperBuu was slightly stronger.

Buutenks is a Fusion Character and its impossible for a non-fused character to fight with a Fusion Character and Gotenks SSJ3's Raw power Combined with Piccolo's intelligence was already stronger then Gohan and Goku's SSJ3 Form
Fusion No 1

Fusion No 2

Vegtio wasn't just fighting a Buu that only absorbed Gohan, Buu absorbed Gohan, Gotenks, & Piccolo. So don't say ultimate Gohan is what made him all that.

Fair point but are you are forgettig that Piccolo is roughly equal to a SSJ in power and buu has already absorbed many SSJ1 Level opponents and when Gotenks's Fusion was over Super Buu was again back to Level 0 with Piccolo's and goten&trunks in their base form making him weak

Without Absorbing Gohan or Goku SSJ3 Super buu was already lost he had to absorb one of them

And if you look at the KidBuu SuperSaiyan 3 Goku fight, KidBuu was laughing, giggling 80% of the time.

He wasn't worried over either SuperSaiyan 3 & Vegeta

What is the most basic trait of any insane person ? oh yeah they laugh a lot not giving a crap about anything that's what kid buu was an insane killing machine

SuperBuu couldn't handle a Big Bang Attack & yet KidBuu was taking control of a spirit bomb.

Big-band attack From whom ? VEGITO ? The most strongest character in DBZ CANON ? that's as logical as GT

 

[XDmC12345X]

How about the new dragon ball game to be announced soon? Do you guys think it will be the perfect game treevax drew up? What game will it be?

 

[ROCKMAN X]

Sorry but that's what he was called, SuperBuu.

Super buu(Gohan Absorbed)

2. I doubt Gotenks SuperSaiyan 3 was as strong as Goku's SuperSaiyan 3.

DOUBT ? he was as Strong as SSJ3 goku and had even more potential then Goku had all he lacked was a functional brain

He was able to go toe-to-toe at SSJ3 with Super Buu same as Goku

3. Nice picture, from some card game with exaggerated stats ?

Its from BT3 Character Bios and its not exaggerated its accurate

Piccolo is 25% stronger than SuperSaiyan. WHY?

I Never said that.. all i quoted was "Piccolo is merely as strong as SSJ 1"

Piccolo fought & matched Android 17 in power.

Yes and that only proves my point that he's only as strong as a SSJ1 whereas Vegeta already surpassed Semi-perfect cell who like beat Android 17 in one punch

Cell absorbs Android 17, Piccolo gets his butt handed to him by Imperfect Cell.

Yes and what's your point here ? piccolo is weak ? his fighting strategy and intelligence are still a great asset for Super Buu regardless of his strength

.Now the Buu Saga, Piccolo gets turned to stone easily by Dabura who's as strong as PerfectCell, who wasn't as strong as an Ascended Saiyan & yet PerfectCell even beat Piccolo.

I don't get your logic here -_- Perfect cell was already stronger than all SSJ forms piccolo was 3rd tier SSJ level how the hell do you expect him to fight perfect cell ?

So Super Buu absorbing a slightly stronger than a SuperSaiyan Piccolo & a ultimate Gohan who hasn't trained or fought much since he fought PerfectCell, & has gotten much weaker.

Well why're you underestimating Ultimate Gohan ? lol

LMAO Gohan steamrolled Super Buu whereas Gotenks spent like 20 episodes trying to kill Super Buu not to mention he was training all the time in Kai planet

and besides its really stupid to call Ultimate Buu weaker then Kid buu when Ultimate Buu clearly was so overwhelming for Goku that it forced him to fuse with vegeta what more "Evidence" do you need ?

 

[ROCKMAN X]

Any extreme strength & power ultimate Gohan has going by DragonBallZ logic is nothing more than an exaggerated increase in stats put together by Gohan fanboys & nothing more.

Lol no believe it or not Gohan is as strong as SSJ3 in his Ultimate form

The Old Kai unlocking ultimate Gohan came at a time when Gohan wasted & lost alot of his strength & fighting skills.

So basically it's a glass that has 75% of it's contents poured out.
Now adding ultimate Gohan is just filling the glass from the 25% to full.

You can't apply custom logic to Dbz If toriyama says that Gohan beats Super buu then he does its his way to bring Gohan back from being lame you can say its silly but that's how Dbz logic works

Gohan had the same Ascended Saiyan level he had against PerfectCell then that would be different.
It would be a glass 100% full with the ultimate power level poured on top. However since Gohan wasted the time from PerfectCell to MajinBuu, you don't get that power level.

You're putting real world LOGIC into DBZ ? WHAT ? old kai unlocking and training was just an excuse to make gohan stronger okay ? Go debate with toriyama if you wish

Ultimate Gohan is just over exaggerated by fanboys/girls

Maybe but i'm not doing that lol i'm just stating the facts

So the Buu Vegtio fought was maybe 20% stronger than Gotenk's SuperSaiyan 3.

20% LOL WUT ?? 20% power increase forced Goku to Fuse with vegeta ?? after the fusion wore off inside Buu Super buu was weak and could never imagine to fight SSJ3 goku and Ultimate Gohan at once being only as strong as he was before

While Goku had time to heal & increase in strength before he returned, so his SuperSaiyan 3 would be even stronger than the last time.

Zenkai doesn't work when you have achieved the ultimate form its like Over Revving your bike not to mention that Zenkai was not mentioned after freiza saga