would platinum games have made a better DmC?

[XDmC12345X]

Maybe you should stop listening to rabid PG fanboys, just like how I stopped listening to rabid DmC fanboys.

Trust me, it helps alot.

Well ok then, but if PG made DmC i dont think it would have been a real reboot.

 

[Powerstar7]

So how you find them overrated is weird...

As a fan of PG I will tell you that their games are good. However, they are indeed overrated due to people treating all their games like they're the greatest thing since sandwiches.
Also sad that the new Bayonetta and that other game I found out about today (thank you for that) are Wii U only .

 

[Chancey289]

It's really messed up how you put Bayonetta in such light just because you expect deep stories from video games where their focus isnt on story (video games in general are about gameplay first). Here is Hideki Kamiya himself stating his perspective on Bayonetta's story:
8:38

PG wasn't trying to create a deep story.

Now what's EVEN MORE messed up is how you think i am saying Bayonetta's story is good. My point with bringing up that Bayonetta has references to Devil May Cry such:
1. The bracelet with description telling us about Sparda and Eva
2. Flock off feather face and "Let's rock baby"
3. The spider boss
4. Enzo
5. The artwork where Dante is in same room as Bayonetta, playing strip power with Enzo.


is to show that Hideki Kamiya who had a major role in the story of DMC 1 and the character Dante, still had his work in his heart. He still thought of it, he wanted to be there for a sequal. But he left Capcom because of issues. And as a story/character creator, i know how ****** up it can be to not be there to further evolve your character. To be on the journey called "sequals".
So my point with bringing these references was to point out DMC 1 was good story wise, and Kamiya was part of creating this good story.
I didn't say Bayonetta's story was good. But one thing is sure with Bayonetta: it did what it was supposed to do - great gameplay. IT SUCCEEDED. In the link i provided where Kamiya was interviewed he answered that his team wasn't going for a deep story with Bayonetta, and the story/cutscenes were there to make you hyped for next gameplay session.

Kamiya isn't a god, i never said he was. Your just getting ticked by me for crediting Kamiya. Here is a tweet of Kamiya, where he says he wrote the story of DMC 1:


So i think it's fair to credit Kamiya for what he has contributed to.

Your the second guy calling me out for saying "Hideki Kamiya would be good for DMC 5's story".
I wonder why you guys react this way. I haven't said he's a god...
He wrote the story he says, and the story is not a master piece, it is a nice story.

Your entitled to your opinion that Bayonetta is pornographic. I dont really care myself because i dont play games created by people whos goal was to create a great gameplay game , for the story.
I dont play Metal Gear Rising for the story for example, even though it's story was ok.

But if pornographic stuff annoys you, then you must hated this scenes in DmC:

This opening scene is soooooooooo not pornographic.

Remember; you brought up a irelevant topic, not me. I never said Bayonetta was good because of it's story. I brought it up because its gameplay is really good and that's what DMC games are known for therefor PG is a great pick for a DMC game.

I don't have a problem with porn. I will shamelessly admit I own hentai dvds and when it comes to sex I'm also in to the more kinky sides of the spectrum at times. I've had threesomes before like Dante there. Bayonetta was just Hideki Kamiya's wet dream and nothing more. Defending Bayonetta's hyper sexualization as if it gets some special pass is like me defending Saints Row to be some mature self aware sophistication and then directly smack a person over the head with a d!ldo bat. You just can't do it and that's the point I'm trying to make.

You can't defend Bayonetta, it's just perverted as all hell and nothing more. DmC is f*cking TAME compared to that game. You can't honestly toss DmC's intro (which I really just don't care) and defend Bayonetta's entire f*cking game. You just can't. You're just using the minor stuff DmC has just for more things to b!tch about because you just don't like DmC. Quit babbling this nonsense. Once you've defended Bayonetta's ridiculous over sexuality and diss DmC for something very minor in comparison, you already lost. Stop talking.

 

[Chancey289]

Actually they delivered a decent gameplay for Metal Gear Rising, exactly what Kojima wanted to do in first place but his teams inexperience with action/hack and slash held the project back. They hired PG, and PG did the job.

With that said, how can they be overrated when they delivered what they said they would?

I'm not looking for P*'s "style over substance" approach to making games when it comes to Metal Gear. You might be fine with shallow and uninteresting games (after all you love the original DMC so much for this) but Rising still has the METAL GEAR in its name and it sure as hell doesn't bring that Metal Gear awesome I expect from this series. It's not even the whole different genre, it's how the Metal Gear charm seems to be really lacking in it's deliverance and I've also played better hack n slashers anyway.

 

[Zey]

I'm not looking for P*'s "style over substance" approach to making games when it comes to Metal Gear. You might be fine with shallow and uninteresting games (after all you love the original DMC so much for this) but Rising still has the METAL GEAR in its name and it sure as hell doesn't bring that Metal Gear awesome I expect from this series. It's not even the whole different genre, it's how the Metal Gear charm seems to be really lacking in it's deliverance and I've also played better hack n slashers anyway.

It's really hard try to reply someone that use his opinions as facts.

 

[Chancey289]

It's really hard try to reply someone that use his opinions as facts.

Are you saying a game series like Devil May Cry which such weak narrative prowess that hardly even bothered to develop characters or use originality in their games is somehow better than that department to a game that actually attempted to is? Whether or not you like the direction DmC took there's no denying the narrative is the strongest than any other Devil May Cry because quite frankly it had nothing to really go against anyway. I don't give a f*ck whether you like it or not, I also like the very first DMC the best out of them all but, don't give DMC more credit than it deserves.

 

[IncarnatedDemon]

I don't have a problem with porn. I will shamelessly admit I own hentai dvds and when it comes to sex I'm also in to the more kinky sides of the spectrum at times. I've had threesomes before like Dante there. Bayonetta was just Hideki Kamiya's wet dream and nothing more. Defending Bayonetta's hyper sexualization as if it gets some special pass is like me defending Saints Row to be some mature self aware sophistication and then directly smack a person over the head with a d!ldo bat. You just can't do it and that's the point I'm trying to make.

You can't defend Bayonetta, it's just perverted as all hell and nothing more. DmC is f*cking TAME compared to that game. You can't honestly toss DmC's intro (which I really just don't care) and defend Bayonetta's entire f*cking game. You just can't. You're just using the minor stuff DmC has just for more things to b!tch about because you just don't like DmC. Quit babbling this nonsense. Once you've defended Bayonetta's ridiculous over sexuality and diss DmC for something very minor in comparison, you already lost. Stop talking.

I wasn't the one who brought the point that "Bayonetta is pornographic thus it's crap".
Now your speaking of over sexualization of Bayonetta? Because Dante in DmC isn't over sexualized...
http://sarahtherebel.files.wordpres...il-may-cry-reboot-new-character-kat.jpg?w=950
http://i.imgur.com/4ygCq.gif
http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/images/9/2011/09/head_07.jpg

I don't care about this, but you seem to like to attack Bayonetta's story (when PG according to HK wasn't going for a deep story) for it's pornographic.
Where as for DmC it's "tame" and not pornographic?

Obviously you don't like PG's stories. And i understand that, so here is a advice: dont play PG games from now on. Because PG's philosphy is mostly about gameplay.

I'm not looking for P*'s "style over substance" approach to making games when it comes to Metal Gear. You might be fine with shallow and uninteresting games (after all you love the original DMC so much for this) but Rising still has the METAL GEAR in its name and it sure as hell doesn't bring that Metal Gear awesome I expect from this series. It's not even the whole different genre, it's how the Metal Gear charm seems to be really lacking in it's deliverance and I've also played better hack n slashers anyway.

Video games substance consists mostly of the gameplay. And Rising has TONS of it.

 

[Chancey289]

I wasn't the one who brought the point that "Bayonetta is pornographic thus it's crap".
Now your speaking of over sexualization of Bayonetta? Because Dante in DmC isn't over sexualized...
http://sarahtherebel.files.wordpres...il-may-cry-reboot-new-character-kat.jpg?w=950
http://i.imgur.com/4ygCq.gif
http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/images/9/2011/09/head_07.jpg

I don't care about this, but you seem to like to attack Bayonetta's story (when PG according to HK wasn't going for a deep story) for it's pornographic.
Where as for DmC it's "tame" and not pornographic?

Obviously you don't like PG's stories. And i understand that, so here is a advice: dont play PG games from now on. Because PG's philosphy is mostly about gameplay.


Video games substance consists mostly of the gameplay. And Rising has TONS of it.

You've got to be f*cking kidding me. Dante, who just gets laid at the beginning of the game only is somehow up for comparison against Bayonetta in terms of being over sexualized?

-Bayonetta wears tight leather clothing that is actually made up of her hair (wtf?)
-She sucks on lollipops and moves in a manner that basically tells me witches are strippers
-She has attacks that look like the foundation of BDS&M
-Her special moves actually strips her off her clothes entirely
-her taunts in the game are even just f*cking basically saying "I'm a cock gobbling $lut"

So while you honestly want to sit there in all seriousness and act like Dante just getting laid at the beginning of the game is even remotely up to compare against Bayonetta, just tells me it's just your bias hatred towards DmC blindly convincing yourself that your counters actually hold up any kind of strength where they are just silly and very weak. I'd give you more credit if you flat out told me you just don't like DmC but don't f*cking beat around the bush with silly nonsense trying to prove some weird illogical point.

 

[IncarnatedDemon]

You've got to be f*cking kidding me. Dante, who just gets laid at the beginning of the game only is somehow up for comparison against Bayonetta in terms of being over sexualized?

-Bayonetta wears tight leather clothing that is actually made up of her hair (wtf?)
-She sucks on lollipops and moves in a manner that basically tells me witches are strippers
-She has attacks that look like the foundation of BDS&M
-Her special moves actually strips her off her clothes entirely
-her taunts in the game are even just f*cking basically saying "I'm a cock gobbling $lut"

So while you honestly want to sit there in all seriousness and act like Dante just getting laid at the beginning of the game is even remotely up to compare against Bayonetta, just tells me it's just your bias hatred towards DmC blindly convincing yourself that your counters actually hold up any kind of strength where they are just silly and very weak. I'd give you more credit if you flat out told me you just don't like DmC but don't f*cking beat around the bush with silly nonsense trying to prove some weird illogical point.

Both of them is sexualizing the characters, yet u dislike one and find the other ok. And whats up with your behavior? IN first place u assumed i said bayo story was good. I correct u and then u go on about bayo being bad for something itidnt try to be. And mention its pornographic, so is DmC to lesser extent. And now i am speaking nonse because my opinion of DmC? cool.

 

[Chancey289]

As a fan of PG I will tell you that their games are good. However, they are indeed overrated due to people treating all their games like they're the greatest thing since sandwiches.
Also sad that the new Bayonetta and that other game I found out about today (thank you for that) are Wii U only .

I think Rockstar is one of the best in the biz. Not only do they have fun games but they have excellent story telling prowess and also Rockstar actually works on their games and shows to learn from their mistakes. People were kind of upset because Rockstar hasn't released an official release date for GTA 5 and now we have to wait even longer but I just applaud Rockstar because I know they are actually worried about the quality of their games and say "hey, we'll release it when we feel it's awesome so you just wait people. It's not ready yet"

Ubisoft should learn from them because

"hey guys, let's just have another AssCreed game out by christmas because we need that AssCreed holiday money."
"but maybe we should take our time guys because so the next game won't be another AC 3 am I right?"
*BANG* DEAD
"You see this! People like him is what is holding us back from becoming the next EA!" *reloads shotgun* "Anyone have any objections? Good. Black Flags out this year, no exceptions. Have a good one people"

 

[Chancey289]

Both of them is sexualizing the characters, yet u dislike one and find the other ok. And whats up with your behavior? IN first place u assumed i said bayo story was good. I correct u and then u go on about bayo being bad for something itidnt try to be. And mention its pornographic, so is DmC to lesser extent. And now i am speaking nonse because my opinion of DmC? cool.

DmC is majorly tame compared to Bayonetta. It's not even up for comparison. Playing Bayonetta I'd turn to Kamiya and say "Just reach the obvious conclusion and make a porn game dude. You're like 99% there already."


DmC is really nothing at all to get all anal about. Bayonetta to me is just stupid. I've got porn if I want to watch it and I've also got a rather exciting sex life life too if I want to dive in on to the kinky side of things. I don't want to play an action game with some ugly chick flashing her vag at me constantly. It's not that I have the problem with the actual content because nothing phases me anymore it's just overall how f*cking stupid it all is. It's like playing a DOA game and expecting me to take you seriously as a fighting game when Kasumi's bouncing tits are all up in my face. Never once will I say DmC is pushing it with the sex and more graphic content because it is all VERY tame.

Bayonetta is just stupid and perverted but also a decent action game at best. It will not get any special f*cking treatment because it is nothing more but also it is nothing less. It's like making a really perverted porn and acting like you don't realize how perverted you are for making it. It doesn't make you better than anyone else because you have an ironic sense of humor behind it. You still f*ucking made a perverted piece of work.
You: "Kamiya is god, he is a sophisticated man with class"
Me : "Kamiya is a little weird and decided to turn his wet dream in to a video game."

Kamiya's got weird taste in women if you ask me if he created Bayonetta. She's ugly and her legs are oddly way too long. I don't find her to be the attractive character she's suppose to be.

 

[IncarnatedDemon]

Are u in love with Kamiya?

 

[SugarMoon]

Hmm i don't know, I've actually fallen in love with Bayonetta's overall design. Granted it's not anatomically correct but honestly, that's ok. Her design is one of the most unique I've seen in a while. It's very stylized and memorable and that's what attracted me into playing Bayonetta to begin with.

 

[Martius]

You know, there is one step between hate and love.

 

[Chancey289]

Hmm i don't know, I've actually fallen in love with Bayonetta's overall design. Granted it's not anatomically correct but honestly, that's ok. Her design is one of the most unique I've seen in a while. It's very stylized and memorable and that's what attracted me into playing Bayonetta to begin with.

Bayonetta was just too weird looking for my taste. My favorite video game crushes probably consist of girls like Princess Zelda, Ada Wong, Samus Aran, Yuna, a few Metal Gear girls and etc. She just looked really odd with that ice cream cone haircut and legs that were abnormally long. It was just weird.

 

[Chancey289]

Are u in love with Kamiya?

The game developer I'm in love with is Hideo Kojima.

 

[EvilX-81]

It's like playing a DOA game and expecting me to take you seriously as a fighting game when Kasumi's bouncing tits are all up in my face. Never once will I say DmC is pushing it with the sex and more graphic content because it is all VERY tame.

On a side note, that's my main problem with taking the DoA characters seriously, especially Kasumi. They have ties to badass ninja Ryu Hayabusa with curbstomps demons and armies of supernatural foes on an annual basis. Granted Ayane's gotten her hands dirty as of late, but I'm supposed to take KASUMI seriously, who does nothing but fight in a tame-by-comparison tournament, where one of the defining attractions is her DD-cups? The f**k outta here with your sex dolls trying to be taken srsly, Itagaki.

Back to the topic at hand; if Bayonetta's story wasn't trying to be good, they could have chopped a good bit out of the 2+ hours of cutscenes the game gives us. (Honestly I think the length of action scenes in some of those cutscenes could've been chopped down some as well)

Also, you can of course find at least some level of sexualization in most mature games, and at this point it's kinda expected from DMC after the bar set by 4. But for this or any DMC to be on Bayonetta's level of *hyper* sexualization, he'd have to have his naked crotch glow, bukkake himself or something with his..... "power", and run around at least half the game near-naked.

 

[SugarMoon]

Also, you can of course find at least some level of sexualization in most mature games, and at this point it's kinda expected from DMC after the bar set by 4. But for this or any DMC to be on Bayonetta's level of *hyper* sexualization, he'd have to have his naked crotch glow, bukkake himself or something with his..... "power", and run around at least half the game near-naked.

...I'd actually like to see that.

 

[EA9Sol]

[quote="EvilX-81, post:

Also, you can of course find at least some level of sexualization in most mature games, and at this point it's kinda expected from DMC after the bar set by 4. But for this or any DMC to be on Bayonetta's level of *hyper* sexualization, he'd have to have his naked crotch glow, bukkake himself or something with his..... "power", and run around at least half the game near-naked.[/quote]

Damn. That would. ... be something. Interesting very interesting. *tires to imagine that happening. * ///// oh my.

 

[Devil Player]

I'm not sure about being better, but we would get our 60 fps that could have never been taken out of DmC.

When you see the words Devil May Cry, you also hear the 60 fps screaming for you...They can't live split.