Why you shouldn't use "True" as an argument

[LysseC]

The point is, this forum manages to work pretty well. There are arguments, and people manage them in their own way, and when sometimes things get worse, the mods are here to do their work.
I am sure Solo's intentions are good, but I think he is.. how can I put it, too present in his moderating the discussion here.
And I have not used the word "moderating" by chance. The impression I got is that he is somehow trying to lead the discussion, and while this is sometimes useful (and I am sure he does it with the best intentions), if done continuously can start to tick people off, especially if he is not officially given this job. Solo is one amongst us, not a mod, nor one who should teach us how to behave.

So I kindly ask you, Solo, you have some good ideas and points to make, like those you made in the thread you created, but please, even if you do it kindly, do not take up the job of teaching us how to behave or of leading a discussion, we can do it ourselves, and when we can't, well, there are mods for this.

And Solo, I got the same impression Loopy did, even before she stated it. It's not that you want to be an evil overlord, just that you are not leaving us much freedom, or at least you are somehow forcing your way of thinking on us. I'm sure you do this with your best intentions, but I get this impression that you are somehow exaggerating.

 

[Sieghart]

Tony_Redgrave is such a cool person. I always talk to him about many stuff because we usually have the same interests and had really fun talking with him. Such a shame he leaves but whatever his reason, i wish him good luck(Bit late to say this yeah)

 

[LysseC]

I turned 21 yesterday.

Oh, happy birthday! Think I missed your post! Make sure you have a well-deserved party!

 

[Loopy]

this is really frustrating ... maybe you are right and there is no point and it really is hopeless,I think you are being sincere, but you're doing this the wrong way. You're agitating the feelings of members here instead of helping.
but is it really okay to just to leave it like that, when there might be something you could do?
But you could say that about other life situations. There's always going to be a feeling of 'was it right to walk away. Should I have helped?'
why I take it upon myself? why shouldnt I? I mean I dont want to take it just upon myself to change the forum or the internet.
I just want people to actively start thinking and talking about this kind of stuff if possible. Because I believe in people actually being smart enough to realise a lot of things if they just put in the effort to think about it.People do know this already. We are not a bunch of uneducated peons. However, human nature is innate. People are angry, jealous, violent and vindictive. It is what it is.
If I can make just one person think about it, just make him think about what I want to say, that alone would be worth it in my eyes.We do think, and we can come to these conclusions by ourselves, but the choice to act on those conclusions is ours alone. People should be free to think for themselves and act for themselves on this forum with the assistance of rules and guiding from the mods here.

Oops, I did not think of mods in that perspective. From a social perspective on mods you are quite right. sorry, my mistake.
I was a bit too focused on something else.

It is not about being right or wrong. As I said before, you might be right, I might be wrong. Doesnt matter.The if it doesn't matter, why bother?
I want people to think about it and realise some stuff for themselve. I believe that everony is capable of doing that.
Is it that wrong of me to think like that?We realise it, but it is our choice to act as we do. People have free will....unless you think free will is an illusion?

Of course feelings are more complicated than just simple resentment. Did you really expect me to count all possible thoughts and feelings one could have to get trapped in this cycle of ******* each other off?
Take it more like just one example.

"One persons freedom ends where the freedom of someone else starts" I dont if this is how it said in english, I hope I got it right.I undertsand what you mean.
I think this phrase explains why it is not alright. People keep hurting and resenting each other for stupid reasons, and you cant tell me that is okay. You can tell me that it might be impossible to change and I would agree with you.Yes people hurt each other, but what you are implying what that saying is that basically everyone should have their freedmon taken away, and only one person should have freedom so that they can tell others how to act. Like a sense of 'the greater good'. Like a sense of 'I'm taking away your freedom and telling you how to act so that you do not hurt each other.'
But who are you to decide what is right.

"Leading a conversation" is not leading in a literal sense ._. why do you treat me like I am some sort of evil overlord?
I dont even have any ill intentions ...
You may not think so, but calling other people out is not right. Let people come to their own conclusions and believe that they will act in the right way.
Why cant I be interested in what other people think? I like to learn from the experience of others. I enjoy discussing a lot of topics. I empathise with the people around me. I feel like wanting to help people. Is that wrong?Helping people is fine, but I find it strange that you would pick a forum.
I dont have some ulterior motive. this topic just came up on the spot and I tried to do something I havent done before and see for myself where it will lead to. I am spontaneous like that.Nothing is free of ulterior motive. Does it make you feel good to do what you see as 'helping people' on this forum? If so, then your actions are not altruistic. They are motivated by the good feelings you get from 'helping' and having other members agree with you or giving you 'likes'.
As for my personal motivations, I would rather discuss these in private if you would permit that.
Of course, Feel free to do that. I'll be back at 9PM, my time tomorrow (today technically).
Why should I not try to change something for the better? Why? I dont even hope to change the forum.
You are completely misunderstanding me and twisting my words all the time.I see what I see. I can't change my perspective. Vision and perception are not the same for each person.
Like a coin. One person sees one side, one person the other side, and another person sees the middle of the coin.
I would just rather do something than nothing about some problems and if I am here I can do something about it.Yes, but don't go stepping on the feet of the mods.
Also, it's going to be a pretty boring place if everyone acts the same or in the way you want.
Like a world without evil. You wouldn't appreciate the good if there was no evil to balance it out. It would be a boring world to me.
Or like eating your favourite cake forever. You'd be sick of it and hate it.
That is how I tick. As I said in another post before I am open for this kind of discussion, too.
How I perceive things and what I believe to be right or wrong are all things that are debatable to some extent.

I hope you understand me a bit better now.
And now, please excuse, as I am really tired and it is pretty late already. See you next time ^^

Bye for now.

The point is, this forum manages to work pretty well. There are arguments, and people manage them in their own way, and when sometimes things get worse, the mods are here to do their work.
THIS REMINDS ME OF DANTE VS VERGIL!:lol: People are free to rule themselves. Sure we make mistakes, but we get it right in the end, even if there is a bit of a fight.
I am sure Solo's intentions are good, but I think he is.. how can I put it, too present in his moderating the discussion here.
And I have not used the word "moderating" by chance. The impression I got is that he is somehow trying to lead the discussion, and while this is sometimes useful (and I am sure he does it with the best intentions), if done continuously can start to tick people off, especially if he is not officially given this job. Solo is one amongst us, not a mod, nor one who should teach us how to behave.
Like Vergil. With good intentions, but going the wrong way about it, thinking that he can change us for our own good.
So I kindly ask you, Solo, you have some good ideas and points to make, like those you made in the thread you created, but please, even if you do it kindly, do not take up the job of teaching us how to behave or of leading a discussion, we can do it ourselves, and when we can't, well, there are mods for this.
Agree, good points, but we get along well here, even if there is a fight, mods deal with this fairly and quickly.
And Solo, I got the same impression Loopy did, even before she stated it. It's not that you want to be an evil overlord, just that you are not leaving us much freedom, or at least you are somehow forcing your way of thinking on us. I'm sure you do this with your best intentions, but I get this impression that you are somehow exaggerating.

Like Vergil!
'Humans are frail. They are like children. They need protection.' Like a sense of us on the forum need protecting from ourselves, from our own negative feelings. But we're fine with that. That's what life is about. Good and bad.

 

[LysseC]

Like Vergil!
'Humans are frail. They are like children. They need protection.' Like a sense of us on the forum need protecting from ourselves, from our own negative feelings. But we're fine with that. That's what life is about. Good and bad.

Ha. And to think I usually defend Vergil, lol.
(Ok, that's because I think Vergil could have come to be not an evil overlord... but that's another topic for another thread....)
Then let's put it like this. I think our (not-overlord) Vergils should be the mods. It's their job after all, and they are being nothing like Mundus...

 

[Loopy]

Ha. And to think I usually defend Vergil, lol.
Then let's put it like this. I think our Vergils should be the mods. It's their job after all, and they are being nothing like Mundus...Mundus saw the world, thought humans were terrible at ruling themselves because of the whole 'fighting, killing and starving' thing, and decided to take all human free will away and control them to do what he thought was right and give them 'structure and prosperity'. So, the mods are crtainly not Mundus.
More of a sense of, this forum needs guiding by the mods and rules, but at the same time allow for free will. And if members act up or break the rules, the mods deal with it.
They give us a chance to hopefully show that we can be civil to each other. When that doesn't happen, then they sort it out.
(Ok, that's because I think Vergil could have come to be not an evil overlord... but that's another topic for another thread....)

And hey, at least the mods aren't going to go and get evil doppelganger selves and then go mad with power.

 

[Demi-fiend]

Random's first post had left a bad taste in my mouth, but not for the reason you may think.

I was actually ready to leave the forum because of it. Yeah, it affected me that much.

Were I to say why on the thread, I would just end up starting a massive flame war.

If anyone wants to know (and if I trust them), PM me to find out what I was so against in the first place.

Chances are, you probably wouldn't agree with me, but I stand by my opinion.


As for Chancey and Solo... meh. I have no opinion.

Oh, and happy birthday, Chancey.

I myself just had a birthday a while ago as well. I hope you had a good one.

 

[MigsRZXAStylish]

Well my younger sis had a good birthday too. Too bad we were unable to watch Iron Man 3 in cinemas; it would've been her best bday gift ever!

On topic:
Sad that a great mod had to go. And it's some stupid people's fault for not being good listeners is what makes him drive himself away from the forums.
The word 'true' is also quite opinionated... It also drives those who are different away with that 'true' fan with his/her superiority complex...

 

[Demi-fiend]

Well my younger sis had a good birthday too. Too bad we were unable to watch Iron Man 3 in cinemas; it would've been her best bday gift ever!

On topic:
Sad that a great mod had to go. And it's some stupid people's fault for not being good listeners is what makes him drive himself away from the forums.

I don't want to get into an argument with you, so I'm just going to say this as straightforwardly as possible:

No official reason has been given as to why Tony Redgrave left. Random himself admitted that he left out of frustration from his "official head canon" which means it's all speculation.

Even if he had left out of frustration, managing difficult people is a part of a mod's job. That's like a security guard complaining about all those darn crooks trying to get into a shopping mall or whatever on his watch while he's trying to get some shut eye or watch old reruns of "Charles in Charge".

I'm sorry. I'm really trying not to be aggressive about this, it's just that I think it's wrong to put the blame on someone else. Even if those other people were complete *****.

 

[Dark Drakan]

Sigh this thread has started to go down an oh so familiar path & also strayed off topic at times. I think it has run its course & any positive notes that can be taken from it are in the early posts & no more are going to come.

Treat people the way you want to be treated. Talk to people the way you want to be talked to. Respect is earned, not given.

Thread Closed

 

[Angel]

Gosh darn my illness! I miss everything.

Bee Tee Dubble Yoo: Tony did NOT leave because of anything members did here. He left for a number of other reasons which are not ours to discuss and he left without a big "ra ra look at me I'm leaving!" type thread because he has class and also didn't see it as some massive huge deal. He had life to sort out and he went to sort it. If and when he can return, awesomesauce.

The staff are also NOT looking for more mods. Not even a little bit. And I think if any of you spend more than 3 minutes in the DmC section of these forums, you'll be able to see in a heartbeat why NO ONE here could be considered for the role of moderator.

But hey! We've got a crap-tonne of backseat moderators constantly sending us PMs anyway, telling us how to do our jobs and berating us for not doing things their way. We've said all we can say regarding people's behaviour here. We're as bored of going on about it as you are of hearing it. But, y'know, nothing sinks in so...yeah. Just think about potatoes and trifle for a bit. No real reason, just why not?