Why you shouldn't use "True" as an argument

[SoLoGaMeR]

But I never said anything like that. I was just elaborating, like you asked.

Quite frankly, I don't really care. I don't find MrRandomLulz to even be a funny troll and anything he post I usually don't even pay any mind to because it doesn't really matter to me. It's the internet and I usually take many things on it with a grain of salt. I don't have an issue with anyone.

Don't try to throw around rash assumptions and accuse me of doing this and that.

I am not accusing you of anything, I am talking about your attitude ^^

would you try reading your own comment for me please?
The guy who's posting ponies everywhere and also being a bit of a jerk who's just annoying to some people. Being in flame wars isn't a lie when you're a person who also tries to sprinkle more lighter fluid on to the flame.

how would you feel if you are Lulzy and you read this?
the way you speak is provoking and insulting at the same time.
it is this kind of attitude that is akin to trolling. an unintentional troll maybe, but nonetheless a troll.

It might be that Lulzy is that kind of person. I dont care about that.
You could have formulated your words differently seeing as your english isnt bad.
But what do you change with this kind of attitude? What good are you doing?
Is your post helpful in any way? no. this kind of thing is what starts flame wars.
I just want you to realize this and admit that you did something wrong with this.
I try to achieve this by asking you those kind of questions even though they may seem harsh to you.

I dont find trolling in any way particularly funny either to be honest.

 

[Chancey289]

I am not accusing you of anything, I am talking about your attitude ^^

would you try reading your own comment for me please?
The guy who's posting ponies everywhere and also being a bit of a jerk who's just annoying to some people. Being in flame wars isn't a lie when you're a person who also tries to sprinkle more lighter fluid on to the flame.

how would you feel if you are Lulzy and you read this?
the way you speak is provoking and insulting at the same time.
it is this kind of attitude that is akin to trolling. an unintentional troll maybe, but nonetheless a troll.

It might be that Lulzy is that kind of person. I dont care about that.
You could have formulated your words differently seeing as your english isnt bad.
But what do you change with this kind of attitude? What good are you doing?
Is your post helpful in any way? no. this kind of thing is what starts flame wars.
I just want you to realize this and admit that you did something wrong with this.
I try to achieve this by asking you those kind of questions even though they may seem harsh to you.

I dont find trolling in any way particularly funny either to be honest.

If Lulzy reads that, would he truly be able to disagree with it and call me a liar?

I'm just being brutally honest. You asked for elaboration, I gave it to you. Lulz reaction to my comment is entirely up to him. He is annoying to some people here. He technically called a girl here the C word and I think it got him banned for a little while.

Lulz wants redemption, that's all fine and dandy. I don't have an issue with him because I just don't care. Maybe you should get that some people may want to chalk him up as if he's full of crap because of his consistent antagonizing and unfunny input others just found annoying and unneeded.

 

[LysseC]

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I'M NOT PI$$ED OFF BY BAD ENGLISH IN ITSELF, believe me, I know better than that, and the last thing I want is to be considered a grammar nazi. So I am truly sorry if my earlier posts were misunderstood, and someone felt offended by them. I absolutely do not want people to think I look down on anyone just because he isn't Shakespeare. Being a non-native English myself, and knowing for first hand experience how hard it is to learn a language, it would be hypocrite of me to look down on someone just because his English is not perfect. (Btw, I am a terrible speaker, so looking down on anyone would be even more hypocrite)

As I said,

I think there is a tangible difference between a phrase that is not much elaborated because the writer is not a native, and a phrase that is not elaborated because the writer wanted it such. This latter case is one that I personally do not approve of

I think I can distinguish when a post is written in a really simple way because the poster's English is not perfect, and I have ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEMS with those posts.
What I tried to tell is that there are posts that are not articulated at all, not because the poster COULD NOT articulate them better, but because he DIDN'T WANT to. Those are the posts that irritate me (unless of course they are joking posts, like I often do myself), because when they are used in the middle of a debate, they just come out as rude to me.


What I'm trying to say is that, in general, it would be useful to use clauses such as "I think that", or the even simpler "imo". Those are very simple tricks that can easily be learned and adopted by anyone who has a minimal knowledge of English (you don't even have to change the structure of a phrase, just have to add them to it), and really help in making clear that the poster is not stating his opinion as fact in an absolute way, but is willing to take part into a debate. Maybe the poster does not really want to troll, but sometimes it's better to use such clauses to make sure one's intentions are not misunderstood, and the post does not come out as rude, especially when a debate is already going on.

And, nahh, I'm quite happy in hell where I am, thank you very much lol. I've simply come to terms that I just cannot be kind to everyone, so I simply avoid replying when I know I'm going to be pi$$ed. In this way I can disguise myself as a good girl. I kinda like hell after all.

 

[SoLoGaMeR]

If Lulzy reads that, would he truly be able to disagree with it and call me a liar?

I'm just being brutally honest. You asked for elaboration, I gave it to you. Lulz reaction to my comment is entirely up to him. He is annoying to some people here. He technically called a girl here the C word and I think it got him banned for a little while.

Lulz wants redemption, that's all fine and dandy. I don't have an issue with him because I just don't care. Maybe you should get that some people may want to chalk him up as if he's full of crap because of his consistent antagonizing and unfunny input others just found annoying and unneeded.

you are still not understanding what I am talking about.
I dont care what Lulz does or not. Whether he is a bad person or not.
Seeing as he is not currently participating in the discussion.
When he decides to participate in the discussion I can talk with him about what he has done, too.
Right now, I care about you.

If you dont care, why do write this kind of stuff? You cant tell me you dont care if you are insulting like that.
being indifferent to something or someone looks different. Dont take me for an idiot please.
and no. being brutally honest does not equal being insulting.

I really want to know what is going on in your mind. I am trying to understand you, but now you feel attacked and try to defend yourself.
Listen, I am not trying to attack you, you dont have to defend yourself.
I just want you to realise that what you did was not the right thing to do.
That is why I am brutally honest with you.

I already got that through your comments. But unlike you people I want to improve the situation.
Nothing is going to get better by being resentful. Sometimes you just have to forgive, because everyone makes mistakes.
We are only humans after all.

To be able to forgive and to be forgiven however you need to be able to realise your own mistakes first.
That is all I wish you would do. Admit your own mistakes first before looking at the faults of others.
By doing that you will be able to not only forgive others and help them, but also carry a more positive attitude.

 

[Loopy]

it is this kind of attitude that is akin to trolling. an unintentional troll maybe, but nonetheless a troll.

You do realise that this has now caused the thing this topic was against? Calling people out as trolls, thinking you are better than trolls....this is getting into one huge misunderstanding.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions, as they say

It might be that Lulzy is that kind of person. I dont care about that.If you don't care than why are you involving yourself in this?

Is your post helpful in any way? no. this kind of thing is what starts flame wars.

Are you being helpful by continuing this? It's just stirring the pot.
You could have formulated your words differently seeing as your english isnt bad.
But what do you change with this kind of attitude? What good are you doing?

What good are you doing? This is just making the situation worse. Leave it to the mods on this site to sort things out.

I really want to know what is going on in your mind. I am trying to understand you, but now you feel attacked and try to defend.Do you think this forum is a social experiement to you? Why are you so concerned with the workings of people's minds?
Listen, I am not trying to attack you, you dont have to defend yourself.
I just want you to realise that what you did was not the right thing to do.
That is why I am brutally honest with you.

You come off like you are attacking. And don't tell people what they did was right or wrong. That's up to the mods to decide what is appropriate.
Plus, you made Chancey reply like that. So don't blame Chancey for replying.

This isn't going to turn into the 'DmC hates women' topic again, is it?>_< That just turned into one huge troll fest.

 

[ToCool74]

@SolaGaMeR and Chancey

If you guys want to continue this that please take it to pms.

This conversation is only going downhill at the moment and is unproductive to the topic at hand.

Would have been nice if this thread could have gone without someone feeling the need to call out MrRandomlulz since we all know where "calling someone out" goes in a thread.

Not saying that he is not guilty of what they said, but people should have more restraint when posting stuff on a board that you darn well must know is going to get a negative reaction.

 

[SoLoGaMeR]

You do realise that this has now caused the thing this topic was against? Calling people out as trolls, thinking you are better than trolls....this is getting into one huge misunderstanding.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions, as they say


What good are you doing? This is just making the situation worse. Leave it to the mods on this site to sort things out.

Maybe you are right. I believe however that people should talk about this issue rather than be afraid of it.
Because not talking about it wont change anything either.

I am not saying that they are trolls. I am saying they are trolling.
trolls are people who intentionally troll. people who are trolling are just people that get trapped in a cycle of trolling and dont realise that they are in fact trolling or behaving in this way. It is endless cycle you guys get trapped in and I want you to break out of it.

Mods wont help this goal I have in mind. Do you understand what I am trying to do now?
I want people to seriously think about this.

 

[Loopy]

Maybe you are right. I believe however that people should talk about this issue rather than be afraid of it.
Because not talking about it wont change anything either.
Then take it to PM. Doing it here is only going to make it worse.No one is afraid of it. Why would you think people fear things in a virtual domain?
I am not saying that they are trolls. I am saying they are trolling.Same thing. It's semantics. Trolls do trolling. Trolling is for trolls.
trolls are people who intentionally troll. people who are trolling are just people that get trapped in a cycle of trolling and dont realise that they are in fact trolling or behaving in this way. It is endless cycle you guys get trapped in and I want you to break out of it.It is human nature to argue, if not on the internet, then in real life. And right now, you are not helping this by calling people out about what you perceive to be unnaceptable behaviour. They are going to respond to you, and not in a positive way.

Mods wont help this goal I have in mind. Do you understand what I am trying to do now?
I want people to seriously think about this.

Mods won't help your goal that you have in mind? Is this suddenly your forum now and the memebers are yours to control in some kind of social interaction experiment?

 

[SoLoGaMeR]

Mods won't help your goal that you have in mind? Is this suddenly your forum now and the memebers are yours to control in some kind of social interaction experiment?

the goal is to make people want to break out of this cycle .-. that is not what I meant at all.
(I always have some sort of goal in mind when I do something, otherwise what would be the point of doing it at all?)
If you think about the function of a mod, you should realise that their function is not to make people reach that goal.
that is why they would not be helpful in their function as a mod in this case. not because this is my internet or anything stupid like that.

If I take it to pm, will other people ever get to see the discussion? no. it wont change a thing.

no, there is a difference between doing it intentionally because you get some sort of twisted enjoyment or if you are just trapped in your feelings of resentment.

yes, it is. till now no one responded in a negative manner though. I just got a bit too passionate at some point.
And have you tried leading this conversation that you can judge whether this helps or not?
Have you had such an experience? I am asking because I am really interested, just so you dont misunderstand.

and not fear in that way. maybe hesitation is the better word.

 

[Loopy]

the goal is to make people want to break out of this cycle .-. that is not what I meant at all.But why do you take it upon yourself to do this? And why on this forum?
If you think about the function of a mod, you should realise that their function is not to make people reach that goal.
that is why they would not be helpful in their function as a mod.Yes that is the mod's function. Mods are here to moderate, to encourage people to get along.

If I take it to pm, will other people ever get to see the discussion? no. it wont change a thing.
Why do you want people to see? Is it because you want other members to see you are right?
no, there is a difference between doing it intentionally because you get some sort of twisted enjoyment or if you are just trapped in your feelings of resentment.
How do you know how people feel? Maybe people don't feel resentment. Maybe people feel nothing at all. The mind is just a bunch of chemicals, electical signals and channels that can be changed on a whim. The mind lies and can be asily changed. Besides, if people what to feel resentment, let them. It's their choice.
yes, it is. till now no one responded in a negative manner though. I just got a bit too passionate at some point.
And have you tried leading this conversation that you can judge whether this helps or not?I don't want to lead. Why do you want to lead?
Have you had such an experience? I am asking because I am really interested, just so you dont misunderstand.
Why are you so interested in what goes on in our heads? I am wondering what you are and what your purpose is here. You seem very interested in asking us about what goes on in our heads. Now I'm interested in what is going on inside yours and why you are doing this.
and not fear in that way. maybe hesitation is the better word.

Not even hesitation. This forum is what it is. People do not get along. There is nothing that can be done about it. As the Japanese say, this situation is しょうがな. I can't think of an English word to describe this other than what you are trying to do is hopeless.
What do you achieve by trying to change this forum and the way the members operate? Why this forum? What do you get out of it? Also, even if this forum changed in some way, it would not change how other members are on other forums. So what is the point to it all? I suppose though that the point is that there is no point.

 

[Chancey289]

you are still not understanding what I am talking about.
I dont care what Lulz does or not. Whether he is a bad person or not.
Seeing as he is not currently participating in the discussion.
When he decides to participate in the discussion I can talk with him about what he has done, too.
Right now, I care about you.

If you dont care, why do write this kind of stuff? You cant tell me you dont care if you are insulting like that.
being indifferent to something or someone looks different. Dont take me for an idiot please.
and no. being brutally honest does not equal being insulting.

I really want to know what is going on in your mind. I am trying to understand you, but now you feel attacked and try to defend yourself.
Listen, I am not trying to attack you, you dont have to defend yourself.
I just want you to realise that what you did was not the right thing to do.
That is why I am brutally honest with you.

I already got that through your comments. But unlike you people I want to improve the situation.
Nothing is going to get better by being resentful. Sometimes you just have to forgive, because everyone makes mistakes.
We are only humans after all.

To be able to forgive and to be forgiven however you need to be able to realise your own mistakes first.
That is all I wish you would do. Admit your own mistakes first before looking at the faults of others.
By doing that you will be able to not only forgive others and help them, but also carry a more positive attitude.

TEACH US HOW TO LIVE SOLOGAMER!

Seriously, you're maybe being a little over-dramatic here.

Love Looney Toons.

 

[IncarnatedDemon]

I'd say your being unfair Loopy.

SoLoGamer means well. And he points out that Nightrunner and Chancey's post in this topic did not contribute to a more peaceful forum. Infact if i was MrRandom i would take offense to it.
I mean be real here, how does MrRandom being what he is, justify Chancey or Nightrunner to say what they said?

You seem to be opposing him for no reasons.

 

[Loopy]

I'd say your being unfair Loopy.
I'm asking why the need to try and get a whole forum to change their way of thinking.
SoLoGamer means well. And he points out that Nightrunner and Chancey's post in this topic did not contribute to a more peaceful forum. Infact if i was MrRandom i would take offense to it.And Solo's comments made it worse.
I mean be real here, how does MrRandom being what he is, justify Chancey or Nightrunner to say what they said?
It doesn't, however, Solo is making it worse by calling those people out, Solo saying he is better than them, and also said he was better than Random because Random is a troll does not help either. Read the posts and you'll see.
You seem to be opposing him for no reasons.

I am pointing out that the comments are not helping. You can't just join a forum and start calling people out and saying things like:

It seems like I managed to make Lulzy at least realise some of his mistake with only three posts.

This just smacks of 'forum saviour am I'.

Because quite frankly and I dont want to offend you, just make you realise, in my eyes you are not the slightest bit better than him if you can post stuff like this to someone who tries to redeem himself and to help the community now.

Then says 'I don't want to offend you' and goes and offends Chancey and Randomlulz in the same sentence. Randomlulz because of trolling, and Chancey because Solo sees Chancey as a troll.

So, we have:
Trying to run the forum
Trying to tell memebers how to act
Calling members out, knowing it will provoke a negative reaction
Insulting other members
Thinking they are better than other members

Is that reason enough?

 

[Chancey289]

I turned 21 yesterday.

 

[Loopy]

I turned 21 yesterday.

Congrats! Did you get any cool presents? Go for a party?

 

[Chancey289]

Congrats! Did you get any cool presents? Go for a party?

Partied on Saturday. I already got my birthday present early because my grandparents got me Injustice. My mom is getting me something later though.

 

[IncarnatedDemon]

Fair enough Loopy.

 

[Loopy]

Partied on Saturday. I already got my birthday present early because my grandparents got me Injustice. My mom though is getting me something later though.

Sweet! I'm waiting till Injustice goes down in price a little. But I'm wanting to play it. The youtube videos make it look so much fun.

 

[SoLoGaMeR]

Not even hesitation. This forum is what it is. People do not get along. There is nothing that can be done about it. As the Japanese say, this situation is しょうがな. I can't think of an English word to describe this other than what you are trying to do is hopeless.
What do you achieve by trying to change this forum and the way the members operate? Why this forum? What do you get out of it? Also, even if this forum changed in some way, it would not change how other members are on other forums. So what is the point to it all? I suppose though that the point is that there is no point.

this is really frustrating ... maybe you are right and there is no point and it really is hopeless,
but is it really okay to just to leave it like that, when there might be something you could do?

why I take it upon myself? why shouldnt I? I mean I dont want to take it just upon myself to change the forum or the internet.
I just want people to actively start thinking and talking about this kind of stuff if possible. Because I believe in people actually being smart enough to realise a lot of things if they just put in the effort to think about it.
If I can make just one person think about it, just make him think about what I want to say, that alone would be worth it in my eyes.

Oops, I did not think of mods in that perspective. From a social perspective on mods you are quite right. sorry, my mistake.
I was a bit too focused on something else.

It is not about being right or wrong. As I said before, you might be right, I might be wrong. Doesnt matter.
I want people to think about it and realise some stuff for themselve. I believe that everony is capable of doing that.
Is it that wrong of me to think like that?

Of course feelings are more complicated than just simple resentment. Did you really expect me to count all possible thoughts and feelings one could have to get trapped in this cycle of ****ing each other off?
Take it more like just one example.

"One persons freedom ends where the freedom of someone else starts" I dont if this is how it said in english, I hope I got it right.
I think this phrase explains why it is not alright. People keep hurting and resenting each other for stupid reasons, and you cant tell me that is okay. You can tell me that it might be impossible to change and I would agree with you.

"Leading a conversation" is not leading in a literal sense ._. why do you treat me like I am some sort of evil overlord?
I dont even have any ill intentions ...

Why cant I be interested in what other people think? I like to learn from the experience of others. I enjoy discussing a lot of topics. I empathise with the people around me. I feel like wanting to help people. Is that wrong?
I dont have some ulterior motive. this topic just came up on the spot and I tried to do something I havent done before and see for myself where it will lead to. I am spontaneous like that.
As for my personal motivations, I would rather discuss these in private if you would permit that.

Why should I not try to change something for the better? Why? I dont even hope to change the forum.
You are completely misunderstanding me and twisting my words all the time.
I would just rather do something than nothing about some problems and if I am here I can do something about it.
That is how I tick. As I said in another post before I am open for this kind of discussion, too.
How I perceive things and what I believe to be right or wrong are all things that are debatable to some extent.

I hope you understand me a bit better now.
And now, please excuse, as I am really tired and it is pretty late already. See you next time ^^

 

[SoLoGaMeR]

I am pointing out that the comments are not helping. You can't just join a forum and start calling people out and saying things like:

This just smacks of 'forum saviour am I'.

Then says 'I don't want to offend you' and goes and offends Chancey and Randomlulz in the same sentence. Randomlulz because of trolling, and Chancey because Solo sees Chancey as a troll.

So, we have:
Trying to run the forum
Trying to tell memebers how to act
Calling members out, knowing it will provoke a negative reaction
Insulting other members
Thinking they are better than other members

Is that reason enough?

that is just twisting my words ... but feel free to think whatever you want.