Why the Nero hate?

[Lionheart]

And then on the other hand, in the Devil May Cry 4 Instruction Manual it states that Nero was infected (So his arm is like a demonic infection).

If they have any decency towards the people they are trying to sell the game to, they would justify their storyline. I look forward to having Nero's origins finally put to rest once and for all.

The manual doesn't say he was infected. It merely states that his arm was hit by a demon in an attack.
This is what it says:
''A number of demons appeared suddenly from deep within the Mitis Forest and attacked the city, destroying a number of houses and inflicting slight injuries to citizens. As luck would have it, Nero, a knight of the Order of the Sword, was present at the scene. All demons were exterminated. During this incident, a private female citizen who was a traveling companion of Nero's, was injured. Nero himself received a minor injury to his right shoulder.''

And yeah, me too. Even though Nero might not make any sense, I know of ways for Capcom to get him to make sense. The fact that they apparently can't mend the situation tells me they're not quite as competent in their job as we'd like them to be.
Nero was a nice character. It's a shame to just throw him away.

 

[LordOfDarkness]

The manual doesn't say he was infected. It merely states that his arm was hit by a demon in an attack.
This is what it says:
''A number of demons appeared suddenly from deep within the Mitis Forest and attacked the city, destroying a number of houses and inflicting slight injuries to citizens. As luck would have it, Nero, a knight of the Order of the Sword, was present at the scene. All demons were exterminated. During this incident, a private female citizen who was a traveling companion of Nero's, was injured. Nero himself received a minor injury to his right shoulder.''

And yeah, me too. Even though Nero might not make any sense, I know of ways for Capcom to get him to make sense. The fact that they apparently can't mend the situation tells me they're not quite as competent in their job as we'd like them to be.
Nero was a nice character. It's a shame to just throw him away.

That's odd. I was quite certain I read the word 'infected' somewhere or another. Perhaps I misinterpreted it or something, or I heard it from here. Nonetheless, he suffered the injury to the right shoulder. His right side is where his Devil Bringer is. Seems coincedental a little, to me at least.

He makes some sense in a way. But he's not properly explained. His background is only hinted at by characters in the game. Dante always gives me the sneaky suspicion that he knows more than he's letting on. The same applies when I saw him reacting to Nero. It seemed like there was something that wasn't being said by him, and was just left like that. I don't know if anyone else felt the same. I'm not so sure they should throw him away either, I agree. He was a nice character and with a little bit more to go on I'm sure he could get a lot more interesting.

"Facepalm" it was a disease infection, not demonic infection.

Regardless does this mean you have to singular respond to the one thing I put down that was 'incorrect'? A topic is about discussing points made. Your reply seems to come just to gain yourself an 'I'm right and you're wrong' boost of attention. Please don't bring this up, because comments like this have become tiresome. To me at least.

 

[Lionheart]

That's odd. I was quite certain I read the word 'infected' somewhere or another. Perhaps I misinterpreted it or something, or I heard it from here. Nonetheless, he suffered the injury to the right shoulder. His right side is where his Devil Bringer is. Seems coincedental a little, to me at least.

Regardless does this mean you have to singular respond to the one thing I put down that was 'incorrect'? A topic is about discussing points made. Your reply seems to come just to gain yourself an 'I'm right and you're wrong' boost of attention. Please don't bring this up, because comments like this have become tiredsome. To me at least.

He didn't get the Devil Bringer arm until he was attacked. Or is that what you mean? Yes, it's obvious it has something to do with his injury, but then, Dante got his Devil Trigger in a similar way: from being injured so badly that he died or was very close to death. That, and you can see his Devil Trigger almost activating in DMC4 when Nero starts pounding his face. So I think the Devil Bringer is like a partial Devil Trigger. Of course, Nero got his DT when he gripped Yamato, but that didn't seem to be his own DT. It looked like a combination of Vergil's and his own, as that blue floating demon has a halo like Nero's DT, but has Vergil's blue color. I think that Devil Trigger was inside Yamato, as it's a piece of Vergil's soul, or at least that of Sparda's demonic side (Yamato was Sparda's sword, originally).

Edit: you responded to somebody else, as your altered comment now shows. Sorry about that.

 

[Ryuuou]

Pure greatness.

 

[LordOfDarkness]

He didn't get the Devil Bringer arm until he was attacked. Or is that what you mean? Yes, it's obvious it has something to do with his injury, but then, Dante got his Devil Trigger in a similar way: from being injured so badly that he died or was very close to death. That, and you can see his Devil Trigger almost activating in DMC4 when Nero starts pounding his face. So I think the Devil Bringer is like a partial Devil Trigger. Of course, Nero got his DT when he gripped Yamato, but that didn't seem to be his own DT. It looked like a combination of Vergil's and his own, as that blue floating demon has a halo like Nero's DT, but has Vergil's blue color. I think that Devil Trigger was inside Yamato, as it's a piece of Vergil's soul, or at least that of Sparda's demonic side (Yamato was Sparda's sword, originally).

No need to respond so agitated. As you may have noticed, I responded to multiple things you said, not the one thing you said incorrectly. To be even more of an a-hole, I wish to point out that it's 'tiresome', not 'tiredsome'. Sorry about that

Yeah that's basically what I was trying to get at when I was talking about his injury. Yeah I agree with you on pretty much all of your points. As they tend to usually be things I've thought to be the case myself. For instance you mentioning a part of Vergil's soul being linked to Yamato, directly. I agree, because the twins both have their own unique control over their weapons. And they also have control over each other's weapons also. Dante is able to wield Yamato also, greatly.

And we must take your idea and observe something mentioned in the game itself. Considering those points made, which were rather interesting. Dante states that Yamato should 'belong in the family'. However, he gives Yamato to Nero. This rings alarm bells right there. Point being, Yamato should belong in the family. However, Dante's family. And as we aren't sure on Nero's origins, we can't put him into Dante's family unless anything is confirmed to us. But fact is, he said it should belong in the family. And unlike other demons and such, Dante and Vergil are the only known ones to be able to successfully wield each other's weapons. However, proven to us in Devil May Cry 4, Nero can also wield Yamato. Unlike Agnus, who had difficulty trying to restore the two broken pieces together. Nero was able to reunite the pieces by just being present. Surely this is proof enough that he belongs to Sparda's family in some way, shape or form. I don't personally think he's the son of Dante, Vergil or whatever. But he does belong to Sparda's family, this much is evident.

You have got me all wrong. I was quoting something that Valcorn had brought up. I wasn't even aiming those comments at yourself, as I know you have been discussing this topic with me. Quite respectfully also may I add, and it is very nice to enjoy the friendly chit chat and the wonderous pondering.

 

[Lionheart]

Pure greatness.

I saw that one too. Best mod ever? Quite possibly.

 

[Ryuuou]

Yeah that's basically what I was trying to get at when I was talking about his injury. Yeah I agree with you on pretty much all of your points. As they tend to usually be things I've thought to be the case myself. For instance you mentioning a part of Vergil's soul being linked to Yamato, directly. I agree, because the twins both have their own unique control over their weapons. And they also have control over each other's weapons also. Dante is able to wield Yamato also, greatly.

And we must take your idea and observe something mentioned in the game itself. Considering those points made, which were rather interesting. Dante states that Yamato should 'belong in the family'. However, he gives Yamato to Nero. This rings alarm bells right there. Point being, Yamato should belong in the family. However, Dante's family. And as we aren't sure on Nero's origins, we can't put him into Dante's family unless anything is confirmed to us. But fact is, he said it should belong in the family. And unlike other demons and such, Dante and Vergil are the only known ones to be able to successfully wield each other's weapons. However, proven to us in Devil May Cry 4, Nero can also wield Yamato. Unlike Agnus, who had difficulty trying to restore the two broken pieces together. Nero was able to reunite the pieces by just being present. Surely this is proof enough that he belongs to Sparda's family in some way, shape or form. I don't personally think he's the son of Dante, Vergil or whatever. But he does belong to Sparda's family, this much is evident.

You have got me all wrong. I was quoting something that Valcorn had brought up. I wasn't even aiming those comments at yourself, as I know you have been discussing this topic with me. Quite respectfully also may I add, and it is very nice to enjoy the friendly chit chat and the wonderous pondering.

As I would say it myself. I believe Nero is a part of Sparda's Family in some way. Brother, son or what not cannot be confirmed. All we know is that he ressurected Yamato at will. A regular demon/angel/human would use thousands of years to put Yamato in one. Nero did it in a minute.
He is a natural. It is in his blood and veins. ''Drives me crazy though''

 

[Dante Redgrave]

He didn't get the Devil Bringer arm until he was attacked. Or is that what you mean? Yes, it's obvious it has something to do with his injury, but then, Dante got his Devil Trigger in a similar way: from being injured so badly that he died or was very close to death. That, and you can see his Devil Trigger almost activating in DMC4 when Nero starts pounding his face. So I think the Devil Bringer is like a partial Devil Trigger. Of course, Nero got his DT when he gripped Yamato, but that didn't seem to be his own DT. It looked like a combination of Vergil's and his own, as that blue floating demon has a halo like Nero's DT, but has Vergil's blue color. I think that Devil Trigger was inside Yamato, as it's a piece of Vergil's soul, or at least that of Sparda's demonic side (Yamato was Sparda's sword, originally).

I'd definitely say that the blue color and the arm sheath on his aura form is likely due to Yamato, not Vergil, since Vergil only had that that arm sheath when using Yamato on it's own. The idea that the Bringer kicked into high gear with Nero's initial major injury is consistent with previous displays of Trigger being awakened as well...

 

[Lionheart]

Yeah that's basically what I was trying to get at when I was talking about his injury. Yeah I agree with you on pretty much all of your points. As they tend to usually be things I've thought to be the case myself. For instance you mentioning a part of Vergil's soul being linked to Yamato, directly. I agree, because the twins both have their own unique control over their weapons. And they also have control over each other's weapons also. Dante is able to wield Yamato also, greatly.

And we must take your idea and observe something mentioned in the game itself. Considering those points made, which were rather interesting. Dante states that Yamato should 'belong in the family'. However, he gives Yamato to Nero. This rings alarm bells right there. Point being, Yamato should belong in the family. However, Dante's family. And as we aren't sure on Nero's origins, we can't put him into Dante's family unless anything is confirmed to us. But fact is, he said it should belong in the family. And unlike other demons and such, Dante and Vergil are the only known ones to be able to successfully wield each other's weapons. However, proven to us in Devil May Cry 4, Nero can also wield Yamato. Unlike Agnus, who had difficulty trying to restore the two broken pieces together. Nero was able to reunite the pieces by just being present. Surely this is proof enough that he belongs to Sparda's family in some way, shape or form. I don't personally think he's the son of Dante, Vergil or whatever. But he does belong to Sparda's family, this much is evident.

You have got me all wrong. I was quoting something that Valcorn had brought up. I wasn't even aiming those comments at yourself, as I know you have been discussing this topic with me. Quite respectfully also may I add, and it is very nice to enjoy the friendly chit chat and the wonderous pondering.

Yeah, your comment changed to show clearly that you responded to Valcorn. Sorry 'bout that

Good points indeed. Though Dante telling Nero it should stay in the family, and then giving it to him when he sees Nero needs it tells me Nero might not be family. Of course, that wouldn't make sense since Nero can wield Yamato, has white hair and even blue and red clothing. Everything points to him being either created to resemble Sparda, or to resemble a mix between Dante and Vergil, which can also be seen as Sparda, as Dante and Vergil represent the two sides of Sparda.

Do I think he's the reincarnation of Sparda? I don't know what to think. I believe I posted in the thread Nero's Origins that I didn't think he was. I'll check to see why I thought that. I came to the conclusion that he might be an experiment created by combining Dante and Vergil's blood. That, or he's a clone of Sparda who turned out not to look exactly like him (what you look like depends on how you grow up, and the environment).

Part of Sparda's power was trapped in the demon world after he closed the Hell Gate, right? So Nero was attacked by part of him or part of Nero Angelo, perhaps. Since devils appear to get their Devil Trigger from being attacked with a weapon made by their family, Nero's DB might be a DT.

Anyway, he's most likely part of the Sparda bloodline.

 

[Valcorn]

... combining Dante's and Vergil's blood? They have the same, they are identical twins, these theories make no sense.

 

[LordOfDarkness]

Both Dante and Vergil point out that their blood is unique due to their own personal demonic powers. How do we know that one of them isn't stronger in structure, DNA wise? DNA is what makes up our genes. Genetics is what make you, well you. Dante is as unique as Vergil, but who is to say stronger or weaker? DMC's story doesn't really go into strong points as to how things work. Things just seem to be. Mundus created Trish I believe from the blood and DNA particles of Eva. There's no saying Nero isn't a combination of Dante and Vergil's blood. Experimentation is all about getting the 'ultimate' effect. Regardless as to whether we think it would make a difference because they are both just twins, may not make a difference to whatever it was who was doing the experiment. We know that experiments and the like are known in Devil May Cry. So as I agreed before, Nero may still be another one of those statistics.

Let's try not to put down other people's theories, when it has only been stated that they are just theories.

 

[Valcorn]

If Nero was a result of Sparda twin's cloning, he would look IDENTICAL, but he doesn't. His colors are definitely of Sparda's bloodline + Sanctus' statements, there's no doubt. He must have had mother tho, it's not like one abandon a newborn experiments somewhere.
I have no doubt he is Vergil's son, just as you deny it and disagree. Who cares "timeline doesn't add up" NEWS TO YOU, it never added up. This retconned that, that retconned this, and again + author mistakes.
Him being Vergil's son is the only official thing we have, or at least "the most" official.

 

[Lionheart]

... combining Dante's and Vergil's blood? They have the same, they are identical twins, these theories make no sense.

Don't be stupid. Nobody has exactly the same blood.

 

[Lionheart]

If Nero was a result of Sparda twin's cloning, he would look IDENTICAL, but he doesn't. His colors are definitely of Sparda's bloodline + Sanctus' statements, there's no doubt. He must have had mother tho, it's not like one abandon a newborn experiments somewhere.
I have no doubt he is Vergil's son, just as you deny it and disagree. Who cares "timeline doesn't add up" NEWS TO YOU, it never added up. This retconned that, that retconned this, and again + author mistakes.
Him being Vergil's son is the only official thing we have, or at least "the most" official.

You have no doubt he is Vergil's son? Why not prove it then? Oh wait, you can't, because there is no evidence, and thus you can't know.

No offense, but please post a more useful comment next time. Saying you're sure of something because 'in your opinion this, or your belief is that' does not help in any way. You have to base your opinion on something you can observe, not just a feeling. As I said, clones don't need to look exactly the same. Heck, I suppose in a video game there might be failed clones. Who knows, Nero might not be a perfect clone.

Him being Vergil's son has never been said, so no, it's not official.

 

[Valcorn]

To hell then, does the real Kobayashi have twitter or something?

 

[Valcorn]

Also I don't see any point in arguing, Deadly Fortune hints that he is Vergil's son then it's true. It's a licensed Capcom product, be it canon or not, for now it's unknown, surely more reliable than some stranger on forums.

 

[D-Sparda]

Let's try not to put down other people's theories, when it has only been stated that they are just theories.

Like it or not, theories can be challenged, since they are not the absolute truth.

To hell then, does the real Kobayashi have twitter or something?

Definitive answers are needed after all these years.

 

[Lionheart]

Also I don't see any point in arguing, Deadly Fortune hints that he is Vergil's son then it's true. It's a licensed Capcom product, be it canon or not, for now it's unknown, surely more reliable than some stranger on forums.

Why are you so ready to assume that if something hints he's Vergil's son, it must be true? The guy who wrote the novel wrote that after he was fired, right? He wasn't in Capcom's employ, in any case, so I won't take it as truth.

No, not more reliable than people on forums, because we're in essence the same as that writer. I think Capcom knows they screwed up, so saying he's Vergil's son has no more merit than what we're saying. Capcom knows Nero's origins could not be explained, so if they're going to find a way to explain it, it might be the Vergil story, and it might be ours. Nobody knows.

 

[Dante Redgrave]

Deadly Fortune is so contradictory with DMC4's presented story in the game, events as portrayed in the game, and with ITSELF, let alone the fact that Bingo was already out of Capcom's employ when he wrote the book, that it's an AU version of DMC4, considering the writer had to change ages and timelines to even try making it work the way he wanted it to. Also, you really wann'a buy that DANTE of all people thought that Nero was more powerful between the two of them, especially if Nero is only half-cambion and not a full demon or a cambion himself?

At this point, Nero has no canon official origins other than he was raised in Fortuna and is clearly more than human, and has the bloodline of Sparda somehow.

 

[Age of Nero]

I like it too, but to most people it would probably sound too fanfictiony. XD

But c'mon, I can totally see Nero ending up looking like his DT concept art, but he still acts like a human and thus is accepted by humanity as the 2nd coming of Sparda due to his great deeds.

lol I actually, these past few days, am beginning to believe that Nero more likely to be the son of Vergil since playing DMC3 on Vergil- they both say "Blast!", "Be Gone!", & something else (plz excuse the brain lapse!), when using the regular sword (not the Yamoto). I was like o_____O after hearing vergil say that after being used to playing DMC4! q: