Why the Nero hate?

[meg5493]

lol I actually, these past few days, am beginning to believe that Nero more likely to be the son of Vergil since playing DMC3 on Vergil- they both say "Blast!", "Be Gone!", & something else (plz excuse the brain lapse!), when using the regular sword (not the Yamoto). I was like o_____O after hearing vergil say that after being used to playing DMC4! q:

Wouldn't it make more sense if Nero's Devil Bringer was possessed by Verglils spirit i mean how can Nero instinctively know what Vergil said 10yrs prior to 4

 

[Valcorn]

Pretty much, not just their taunts/yells are similar, but also Nero has Summoned Swords.

 

[Nero.]

I don't know why they hate me brah.

 

[V's patron]

I think had dmc3 been about Dante in hell after 2 rather than him and Vergil before 3, Nero might havecbeen better received because the story arc is closed so no pressure on 4 to answer it and Dante as a teenager isn't established so less similiarities would pop up.

 

[aoshi]

Also cuz nero replaced dante as lead protagonist. Dante gained high rep after DMC 3. And when capcom replaced him, That did not settle well with dante fans(though dante had his role in DMC 4).

 

[LordOfDarkness]

If Nero was a result of Sparda twin's cloning, he would look IDENTICAL, but he doesn't. His colors are definitely of Sparda's bloodline + Sanctus' statements, there's no doubt. He must have had mother tho, it's not like one abandon a newborn experiments somewhere.
I have no doubt he is Vergil's son, just as you deny it and disagree. Who cares "timeline doesn't add up" NEWS TO YOU, it never added up. This retconned that, that retconned this, and again + author mistakes.
Him being Vergil's son is the only official thing we have, or at least "the most" official.

Valcorn, don't get me wrong. I'm not against you on this one. I'm just saying that we shouldn't outright ignore other people's points and discard their ideas just because they are 'different' to our own. I understand your points about Nero being Vergil's son. Yeah, it does seem like it'd be more official coming from someone like that. But the point is, it isn't really official. Therefore we can't just accept it and take it to be true. So an agreement to your own opinion can't be made by others, if they think and feel differently. They really have let us be the judge of what Nero's background is. And we could sit around all day making up ideas and stories and going over the same boring topic again and again. But what's the point? It's like regurgitating the same information over and over again.

I do not deny it or disagree with it. But how can I accept something that I can't truly believe to be the case. You're just simply asking/telling me to agree with you, because to you the information (Whether factual or not) is what you believe to be true. Whereas I do not, I can't come to terms of agreeing with you. But I don't begrudge the fact that you think and feel the way that you do. And I would not belittle your opinion either, as that would be wrong.

Humble apologies if you felt any offence by anything in which I've said. An uncivil disagreement was not my intention. And I'm sorry if you feel that it has gone that way. I will accept how you view this matter. As I would only expect you to do the same for me.

Like it or not, theories can be challenged, since they are not the absolute truth. Definitive answers are needed after all these years.

No I completely agree with you. They can be challenged. It was just the manner in which they were being challenged that I was kind of getting at. Whether true or not, theories are own personal opinions. And that is what people think and feel about certain things. And those emotions that are attached to opinions can be hurt when they are ridiculed, or seemingly offended. It's the subtly that you go for when addressing such matters. I'm all for friendly debating, but only that.

 

[Caiden]

Been gone for awhile and I am a bit surprised to see this topic still going. But it looks like you guys have jumped into Nero's origins, which I do have some opinions on that.

Obviously right now there is no right or wrong answer because we don't have enough evidence to really know anything for sure. But there is enough evidence to come up with theories as all of you have done. So I am going to jump into some of the theories that I have thoughts on.

Vergil is Nero's father- I feel that this is the theory that most people are talking about. There is a lot of evidence that can back this up but there are also a few bits of powerful evidence that work against it. I think what most points toward Nero being Vergil's son is in his character design and gameplay. Both of them are mostly associated with blue, both use summoned swords, and Nero's DT shares different aspects with both Vergil's DT and Nelo's design. They have similar battle phrases like "Scum" and "Be gone". Next is how they are linked in the story. Yamato responded to Nero when he desired power to protect Kyrie, much like how Vergil desired power after he failed to protect his mother. Sanctus confirmed that Nero did posses the blood of Sparda and is most likely part of the family (But this could also contribute to other theories). Dante let Nero keep Yamato even after he said that it needs to stay in the family. But one of the biggest things that works against this theory is that it doesn't really fit the timeline. In order for Nero to be Vergil's son, Vergil would have to have been in his early to mid teens when he got the mother pregnant. It's not impossible, but it is unlikely. It is possible for Nero to be Vergil's son but without any really solid evidence it seems like a bit of a stretch.

Nero is a reincarnation of Sparda- Along with sharing similarities to Vergil he also has some with Dante. Nero wears some red, he has Dante's cocky and overconfident attitude, and his attacks are more aggressive instead of quick and precise like Vergil's. But why would it matter if he was a bit more like Dante? Becasue Sparda was a bit like both his sons. So perhaps the fact that Nero is has a bit of both Dante and Vergil in him is becasue he is Sparda reincarnated. If he is Sparda reincarnated that would also explain why Yamato reacted to him like it did and why Dante trusted him. But at the same time I think the blade Sparda would have reacted to him during his battle with Sanctus if he was so closely related to Sparda.

Like I said there is no solid evidence that proves any theory but we can make a few educated guesses. Also try not to consider Deadly Fortuna as evidence to anything. The book is not approved canon and really should not even be mentioned.

 

[LordOfDarkness]

Vergil is Nero's father- I feel that this is the theory that most people are talking about. There is a lot of evidence that can back this up but there are also a few bits of powerful evidence that work against it. I think what most points toward Nero being Vergil's son is in his character design and gameplay. Both of them are mostly associated with blue, both use summoned swords, and Nero's DT shares different aspects with both Vergil's DT and Nelo's design. They have similar battle phrases like "Scum" and "Be gone". Next is how they are linked in the story. Yamato responded to Nero when he desired power to protect Kyrie, much like how Vergil desired power after he failed to protect his mother. Sanctus confirmed that Nero did posses the blood of Sparda and is most likely part of the family (But this could also contribute to other theories). Dante let Nero keep Yamato even after he said that it needs to stay in the family. But one of the biggest things that works against this theory is that it doesn't really fit the timeline. In order for Nero to be Vergil's son, Vergil would have to have been in his early to mid teens when he got the mother pregnant. It's not impossible, but it is unlikely. It is possible for Nero to be Vergil's son but without any really solid evidence it seems like a bit of a stretch.

Really well thought out post. However, I have some ideas/reasons as to why the particular section of your post that I quoted could go a little differently. Those points you made regarding Vergil's being Nero's father could very well be true. But let's observe something I have mentioned previously. Both Dante and Vergil are half demon, half human. Both of them can control the Devil Arms, their own ones and each other's. Rebellion and Yamato were gifts from their father, Sparda. And stated by Dante in the game, because that was so Yamato should belong in 'the family'. As to which we can all assume/gather he means his family, as Yamato belonged to his brother. And as we haven't had things confirmed to us, we can't place Nero into Dante's family. But it is quite possible and plausible that he could belong to his family. Whether true evidence of just self belief, information given to us by Sanctus tells us that he is a 'descendant' of Sparda. Whether we take his word for that or not is up to us.

But like I was saying, Dante can use Yamato as Vergil can use Rebellion. Dante has power over Yamato, just like Nero does. Nero however seems to depend on Yamato for his own personal 'Devil Trigger' if that's what you wish to call it. Yes, Nero put together both the pieces of Yamato just by needing more power to help Kyrie. But this could just be due to the fact that potentially belonging in Dante's family (Not necessarily Vergil's son) he would have the control to do that. In that respect it may have nothing to do with him being Vergil's son. Or as much to do with it as it could be that Nero is another son of Sparda etc.

This topic is quite interesting in its own respect. And the ideas that people come up with are quite intelligent and make you think. So I looked at the two points you made. The points you seemed to think were the most common and just thought to merge the two together. I got to thinking that people do like to think of Nero as being Vergil's son. They see him as being involved with Sparda in some way, shape or form. And in this case, there isn't really any point to deny that aspect of looking at it. Because whatever way you view it, Nero being involved with Sparda's family is evident from the game itself. And it only seems quite logical also.

However, something that is hardly ever mentioned is this idea. Forget about Nero being Vergil's son because of an infinite amount of similarities. And forget about him being Sparda reincarnated/reborn or whichever you like. If you put the two ideas together, what do you think when you could look at it like this - Nero is Vergil?

People state all the time these two main points. Firstly, he holds a lot of similarities to Vergil. Secondly, that he must belong in Sparda's family. What if these aren't similarities? What if he does belong in Sparda's family, because Nero is Vergil? I don't mean look at it like he is Vergil himself, because clearly he isn't. I mean it in the sense of, what if Nero's source of power is coming directly from Vergil himself? For instance, his soul or his power that he has obtained through Yamato. Vergil's power could be slowly corrupting Nero. The Capcom team always noted that they didn't have strong feelings towards Vergil as a character. Perhaps they were trying to better his look/appearance and appeal by reintroducing his character through the means of another character?

That's a totally new way of looking at this.

 

[Caiden]

^ You make a good point but it holds the same problem that Nero being the son of Vergil does in that it does not fit the known timeline. At the time Vergil was fighting Dante during Devil May Cry 3 Nero would have been a small child. Others have presented the theory that Nero may be Vergil or posses Vergil's spirit. But as far as we know Nero always had white hair and the blood of Sparda and Nero and Vergil both existed at the same time. The only plausible way Vergil could be Nero is if Vergil possessed Nero after his death. But that for the most part would be speculation. The biggest problem of all these theories is the arm. I believe that if we were told what Nero's DB really was and where is came from we would be able to figure out how he is.

This is only a far fetched theory, but is it possible that Nero's arm is a Devil arm that somehow fused with him? It has Devil arm like abilities and it seems that it along with the aid of Yamato are what gave Nero his Devil Trigger.

 

[Lionheart]

Wouldn't it make more sense if Nero's Devil Bringer was possessed by Verglils spirit i mean how can Nero instinctively know what Vergil said 10yrs prior to 4

I still think it's a part of Vergil's soul (or Sparda's) contained within Yamato. He doesn't say 'blast' and 'begone' and all that when using his arm; he says it when using his Devil Trigger. His DT seems to draw on Yamato's soul.

 

[Lionheart]

I think the Devil Bringer arm is nothing more than something they threw in to make the gameplay more appealing. To do something original, if you will. When you look at my avatar, you can see that Nero was most likely intended to have a full Devil Trigger, and his arm might not have had the same ghost-like properties as it does now. I never quite understood what the arm had to do with anything. Perhaps nothing.
The word Devil's arm was misinterpreted a few times as meaning 'the arm of a devil (Nero Angelo)', when it in fact means 'demonic weapon'. Yamato is a Devil Arm, and so are Rebellion and the other weapons. Same as the word 'firearm'. At the end of the game, Nero implies that he's always had the DB in some form: ''You know, God, I always hated that you made my arm like this. But now, with it, I can destroy this thing. Who would've thought.'' His being attacked may have simply awakened the arm fully, like a Devil Trigger.

Nero doesn't have more blue than red. His clothes have equal amounts of blue and red. Blue coat, red undercoat, red hood. Red and blue Devil Bringer. Red Queen, Blue Rose. Yes, when using the Yamato, he gets a blue demon floating above him, but that's not so surprising, since Yamato seems to be associated with blue, and Rebellion with the color red. Dante represents Sparda's more human, emotional side and Vergil represents the cool, power-hungry demonic side. Nero is a combination of that. It's a theme throughout the game; is Nero a demon or a human? In the end, he says ''and if I become a demon, so be it. I will endure the exile. Anything to protect her.'' What exile? And since when would Nero sound so dignified? It really sounded like something Sparda would say. It's basically equal and opposite to Sparda's story. Berial even says ''you are just like he was'', referring to Sparda, whom he met or saw 2000 years before.

So much stuff about Sparda, and so little about Vergil. Rather more about Yamato than Vergil.
But I do have to point out that Capcom considered turning Nero into something much more Vergil-like. I saw art of him wearing white and blue, black and white and so on, with a more regal appearance.


I came to some conclusions in Nero's Origins. Here they are.

Nero is not:

1. Nero is NOT Vergil's son, since Vergil would've conceived Nero at the age of twelve. Besides, he doesn't care much for humans, and he certainly wouldn't want a - for the most part human - child.

2. Nero is not a third son of Sparda, since Sparda died before Eva did, and Eva died when Dante was eight. So even if Sparda had died at the same time as Eva (29 - 8 = 21), Nero would have to be 21, not 17.

3. Nero is not Vergil's or Sparda's reincarnation, since reincarnation means that ONLY THE SPIRIT goes into a different body, making it impossible for Nero to have the blood of Sparda (and white hair).

4. Nero is not Dante's son either, for the same first reason noted at option 1. Besides, Dante isn't the kind of person who would have a child, IMO.

Nero could be:

1. He could be a weaker clone of Sparda, left at the orphanage in Fortuna by the person who created him, perhaps hoping that the Order of the Sword would take Nero in. And no, clones don't have to look identical to the person who was cloned.

2. He could be an experiment, somehow created by use of Sparda's blood. It could be that, unlike donated human blood that comes into the bloodstream of the recipient human, the blood of demons doesn't disappear after a while.

3. He could be the son of one of Sparda's relatives. Why? Because Sanctus said ''a descendant of Sparda's blood'', 'blood' meaning 'kindred/relatives' (look up 'blood' at merriam-webster).
This means that Nero could be a half-demon like Dante and Vergil, which is possible, since there is concept art of Nero having a full Devil Trigger body (my avatar).

4. It could also be that Nero (especially his arm) was a character created by Capcom without much thought put into it.

We know that Nero has the blood of Sparda. Quote: ''I must salute a man who carries the blood of Sparda'' - Sanctus. Also: ''a descendant of Sparda's blood'' (also a quote from Sanctus).
Since Nero has always had white hair, it makes the premise of him being a descendant of Sparda (OR a clone/an experiment created by use of Sparda's blood) quite likely.

As for Vergil's connection to Nero:
Vergil's soul is inside the Yamato. I think Nero heard Vergil call out ''Power. Give me more power!'' from inside the Yamato. Nero was in Mitis Forest at the time, which isn't far from Agnus's lab, where the Yamato was. Vergil echoed that line, probably because the Yamato was broken, and Vergil's power was weak because of it.

 

[Dante Redgrave]

Combine Reincarnation along with blood descendent since Sparda's soul would likely be drawn to his own bloodline, and that's my theory on who Nero is. That would explain why Yamato was healed by his desires, and also why all three swords accepted him; Rebellion accepted him to be used against Dante, Yamato was healed by him, and the Sparda seemed to react to him as if he was it's master when he carried it back. Plus his shadow during the prologue fight with the scarecrows was clearly intended to resemble Sparda's human form with the sword that carries his name. And he's actually wearing a navy purple coat, not straight blue, so he's wearing all three colors; red hoodie vest, blue jeans, and a purple coat. Helps that in his hands, Yamato is glowing Purple, not blue like you'd assume something associated with Vergil would do.

My opinion on the whole blue demon soul is that it's blue because he's triggering with yamato. if he used Rebellion, I think it'd resemble Dante some, and if with the Sparda...yeaaaaahhhh...there'd be no question who he is then.

 

[Valcorn]

Nero isn't Sparda reincarnated or his clone, look at his DT. Wouldn't it look like this?: http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111016210240/devilmaycry/es/images/7/78/SpardaDT.jpg
He is obviously Vergil's son, it's not like a sheath appears on Dante's arm with him wielding Yamato when he devil triggers.
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121021195612/devilmaycry/images/1/15/Nero_Devil_Trigger.png
The spirit is Nero's demonic form, but for some reason it's not physical (only arm is and permanent)
Also Yamato becomes "spiritual" and his DT wields it, obviously there's a connection. As Vergil's son, his demonic power is likely similar, that's why Yamato "corresponds" to him.
People are looking too much into colors, it's not like those clothes are part of his body, he could wear orange if he wanted.
Clothes have to do with his personality, nothing more.

 

[Dante Redgrave]

Nero isn't Sparda reincarnated or his clone, look at his DT. Wouldn't it look like this?: http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111016210240/devilmaycry/es/images/7/78/SpardaDT.jpg
He is obviously Vergil's son, it's not like a sheath appears on Dante's arm with him wielding Yamato when he devil triggers.

That's because Dante's DT is fully matured by DMC4, while in DMC3, both twins were in an immature "larval state" and more influanced by Devil Arms when they transformed. Noticed Vergil does NOT have the sheath when he had Force Edge, becaus ethe more powerful Arm is over riding Yamato. the Sheath is a YAMATO trait, not "vergil only". Please stop trying the same tired and disproven arguments.

 

[Valcorn]

Chill dude, your arguments aren't proven either.

 

[Caiden]

Nero isn't Sparda reincarnated or his clone, look at his DT. Wouldn't it look like this?: http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111016210240/devilmaycry/es/images/7/78/SpardaDT.jpg
He is obviously Vergil's son, it's not like a sheath appears on Dante's arm with him wielding Yamato when he devil triggers.
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121021195612/devilmaycry/images/1/15/Nero_Devil_Trigger.png
The spirit is Nero's demonic form, but for some reason it's not physical (only arm is and permanent)
Also Yamato becomes "spiritual" and his DT wields it, obviously there's a connection. As Vergil's son, his demonic power is likely similar, that's why Yamato "corresponds" to him.
People are looking too much into colors, it's not like those clothes are part of his body, he could wear orange if he wanted.
Clothes have to do with his personality, nothing more.

The appearance of a devil trigger is based of the Devil arm being wielded. Dante looked like his father when he carried the sword Sparda and the appearance and abilities of his DT changes based off what Devil arm he is using. Nothing about Nero's origins is "Obvious".

But I don't believe he is a test tube baby like others think. I don't believe that if he was an experiment, whoever created him would just let him lose on the streets of Fortuna to be found by Kyrie. Also colors are important because Dante has always been red and Vergil was always blue. Capcom did this on purpose and I am sure they did the same for Nero.

 

[D-Sparda]

Combine Reincarnation along with blood descendent since Sparda's soul would likely be drawn to his own bloodline, and that's my theory on who Nero is. That would explain why Yamato was healed by his desires, and also why all three swords accepted him; Rebellion accepted him to be used against Dante, Yamato was healed by him, and the Sparda seemed to react to him as if he was it's master when he carried it back. Plus his shadow during the prologue fight with the scarecrows was clearly intended to resemble Sparda's human form with the sword that carries his name. And he's actually wearing a navy purple coat, not straight blue, so he's wearing all three colors; red hoodie vest, blue jeans, and a purple coat. Helps that in his hands, Yamato is glowing Purple, not blue like you'd assume something associated with Vergil would do.

My opinion on the whole blue demon soul is that it's blue because he's triggering with yamato. if he used Rebellion, I think it'd resemble Dante some, and if with the Sparda...yeaaaaahhhh...there'd be no question who he is then.

1. Rebellion was standing on the ground and Nero took it to impale Dante. Nothing special there. If you are referring to when Dante stabbed the Devil Bringer and it began to glow, then like I said, nothing special.

2. The Sparda did not react to Nero like he was its master.

3. The Devil Bringer healed Yamato.

4. When you switch to Dark Slayer style in DMC4, you can witness the color purple. Beside the fact that blue+red=purple, Yamato was originaly wield by Sparda. There is no mystery concerning this color.

 

[Valcorn]

Theory: time travel in DMC is possible, and that's how Vergil fathered Nero U mad clone fags?

 

[MultiBro]

Nero doesn't like this thread.

 

[Lionheart]

Nero isn't Sparda reincarnated or his clone, look at his DT. Wouldn't it look like this?: http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111016210240/devilmaycry/es/images/7/78/SpardaDT.jpg
He is obviously Vergil's son, it's not like a sheath appears on Dante's arm with him wielding Yamato when he devil triggers.
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121021195612/devilmaycry/images/1/15/Nero_Devil_Trigger.png
The spirit is Nero's demonic form, but for some reason it's not physical (only arm is and permanent)
Also Yamato becomes "spiritual" and his DT wields it, obviously there's a connection. As Vergil's son, his demonic power is likely similar, that's why Yamato "corresponds" to him.
People are looking too much into colors, it's not like those clothes are part of his body, he could wear orange if he wanted.
Clothes have to do with his personality, nothing more.

And he's actually wearing a navy purple coat, not straight blue, so he's wearing all three colors; red hoodie vest, blue jeans, and a purple coat. Helps that in his hands, Yamato is glowing Purple, not blue like you'd assume something associated with Vergil would do.

Navy purple isn't a color, as far as I know. You must mean navy blue. So yes, he wears red and blue. Yamato glowing purple is something I noticed too. Seems important to me. It's clearly meant to symbolize how similar he is to Sparda.

 

[Lionheart]

Nero isn't Sparda reincarnated or his clone, look at his DT. Wouldn't it look like this?: http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111016210240/devilmaycry/es/images/7/78/SpardaDT.jpg
He is obviously Vergil's son, it's not like a sheath appears on Dante's arm with him wielding Yamato when he devil triggers.
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121021195612/devilmaycry/images/1/15/Nero_Devil_Trigger.png
The spirit is Nero's demonic form, but for some reason it's not physical (only arm is and permanent)
Also Yamato becomes "spiritual" and his DT wields it, obviously there's a connection. As Vergil's son, his demonic power is likely similar, that's why Yamato "corresponds" to him.
People are looking too much into colors, it's not like those clothes are part of his body, he could wear orange if he wanted.
Clothes have to do with his personality, nothing more.

I don't believe anyone said he was Sparda reincarnated. That's one of the points I listed that he probably is not.

A sheath being connected to his arm doesn't mean that much, really. If Dante were able to use a Devil Trigger based on Yamato, he might have it as well. It would be interesting to see Dante wield Yamato in DMC3, when his demonic form still morphed based on the weapon that was used.

Look, color is obviously important in these games. Or does the sword Yamato get a personality when Nero grips it? Since it gets a purple aura, I mean.

 

[Lionheart]

1. Rebellion was standing on the ground and Nero took it to impale Dante. Nothing special there. If you are referring to when Dante stabbed the Devil Bringer and it began to glow, then like I said, nothing special.

2. The Sparda did not react to Nero like he was its master.

3. The Devil Bringer healed Yamato.

4. When you switch to Dark Slayer style in DMC4, you can witness the color purple. Beside the fact that blue+red=purple, Yamato was originaly wield by Sparda. There is no mystery concerning this color.

1. I don't know, using Rebellion seems like an important point to me. I don't think demons can usually wield a sword that's ''the physical manifestation of Dante's power''.

2. No, I can't say it did either. I mean, he was able to pick it up and sling it across his back, but that was it. He never used it.

3. The Devil Bringer is Nero's arm. It's not 'Vergil's arm' and it doesn't seem 'infected by his soul' either. Therefore, Nero restored Yamato.

4.That's true, though I can't say it's the same color purple as when Nero wields it. Besides, it's a theme for Dante. Every time he switches to a different style, a different color accompanies that, whereas Nero does hardly anything with color.

 

[D-Sparda]

1. I don't know, using Rebellion seems like an important point to me. I don't think demons can usually wield a sword that's ''the physical manifestation of Dante's power''.

2. No, I can't say it did either. I mean, he was able to pick it up and sling it across his back, but that was it. He never used it.

3. The Devil Bringer is Nero's arm. It's not 'Vergil's arm' and it doesn't seem 'infected by his soul' either. Therefore, Nero restored Yamato.

4.That's true, though I can't say it's the same color purple as when Nero wields it. Besides, it's a theme for Dante. Every time he switches to a different style, a different color accompanies that, whereas Nero does hardly anything with color.

I am not one of those who claim nonsensical theory regarding Vergil. I meant that it was the Devil Bringer's ability to repair that restored Yamato.

In DMC3, when you charge the Judgement Cut, the sheath of Yamato glows purple.