What if DmC is a stand alone game and Capcom decides to go back to the original series?

[TWOxACROSS]

I'd rather them take the high road, pull up their big boy pants, and quit trying to bring back all the dead popular characters. They had a great idea in Nero...and they mucked it up by not explaining anything.

This is really just me and my integrity talking, but I don't like the idea of trying to bring back a dead character just because people like them, it's too easy to ruin the character for a lot of people sometimes :S It also takes a lot to explain their return, and the more definitive their death was, the more difficult it is to pull off a revival that works well enough. Those resources can be better spent on characters that are alive and well.

With DMC, Vergil is great and all, but bringing him back in the present just doesn't seem like it'd work, especially when we still have Nero's life to figure out. Time with Vergil can be best spent in prequel type games, where they expand on what already was, instead of trying to expand on what is.

In regards to Mega Man, they really mucked it up by not ending the X series where Inafune wanted them to. Luckily, it's easy enough to rebuild a robot, but some of the stuff they did in explaining Zero's return were, quite frankly, out there >_< Luckily, Mega Man Zero came to the GBA and gave Zero a fantastic sendoff, in a series of his own to boot. He finally got his starring role T_T

 

[EvilX-81]

Thing is for me, a bunch of swirling colors don't exactly equal dead for me. Seen too many anime and games where they've done defeats like that, usually it means said character will wake up somewhere back to normal or purified from their corruption, but with amnesia or something.

That said, I could live with Vergil being dead if one can't think of a good reason to be a part of the story or be alive in general.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

Thing is for me, a bunch of swirling colors don't exactly equal dead for me. Seen too many anime and games where they've done defeats like that, usually it means said character will wake up somewhere back to normal or purified from their corruption, but with amnesia or something.

And that's one of those really iffy cop outs. It's like people are too afraid to just let their characters die, as if they won't be able to come up with any other intriguing characters. Have more faith in yourselves, guys! C'mawn.

 

[Tosto]

I'd much rather have a DmC2 than a DMC5 so here's hoping that DmC does well enough for Capcom to give NT another go at the franchise. The only way I would be okay with a DMC5 (by Capcom) is if DmC2(by NT) will be coming anyway. Though it might be a bit confusing for some people, I'd like to see what Capcom themselves have learn't from NT.
As far as I'd like to see a re-invention of OG Dante, cut him down a notch, give us a reason to route for him besides him being an "over-the-top-badass". Give us new villains that can actually kill, Dante, let us feel his desire to fight like his life depended on it.

Speaking of, I'm curious to see what NT will do next with all their new-found knowledge

I too wanna see what NT will do next with all this new found knowledge. A sequel to Heavenly sword would be nice but that would be an easy anwer. LOL. I also think that if DmC does well, NT might have to create another team to work on an new IP or sup'm.

 

[ZeroLove]

Luckily, Mega Man Zero came to the GBA and gave Zero a fantastic sendoff, in a series of his own to boot. He finally got his starring role T_T

Not going to lead this thread off-topic, I am just dwelling on the little MMZ talk there is here... Mmm... ^.^

 

[TWOxACROSS]

Not going to lead this thread off-topic, I am just dwelling on the little MMZ talk there is here... Mmm... ^.^

Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm????????????????

 

[EvilX-81]

And that's one of those really iffy cop outs. It's like people are too afraid to just let their characters die, as if they won't be able to come up with any other intriguing characters. Have more faith in yourselves, guys! C'mawn.

Well in this case whenever I think about it the whole situation, Dante unknowingly killing his corrupted brother, it feels like "Oops." And then he just goes on to kill Mundus. And somehow even Trish makes it through, who definitely feels like something of an asspull, along with giving her the Sparda sword for whatever weak reason... eeeeeehhhhh, you know?

I could live with him being dead though. More I think about this stuff though the more obvious the holes in the story becomes even in the classic games.

 

[Dante47]

How would you guys feel about that?

I'd feel happy yet saddened.
I've been following DmC for two years, and I'm preparing to finally play it.
I've never been more excited for a game in my life.

Surprisingly, my dedication to original does not outweigh my dedication to this new one.
Never have I been so excited for a Devil May Cry game. Not even for Devil May Cry 4.
I even bothered to discuss the game on this lovely forum.

I've gone on record saying that Devil May Cry 5 is a game earned by the fans, then what of DmC?
If so many are willing to invest their time into one game than they are into a franchise of four games, don't they deserve a true sequel to DmC developed by Ninja Theory?

I certainly think so.

So, how about a compromise my brethren? Why not simultaneously continue both series? That is, if Ninja Theory wants to.

 

[DragonMaster2010]

I think I've mentioned it before, and I don't have too much in my head right now, other than some basic points, but here goes...

DMC5 should be a total nod to the series as a whole, and possibly the best way to let it go out with a bang. It should have two full sides, a la DMC2 (not DMC4). According to the Bingo's novelization of DMC4, after the events of the game, Nero started his own Devil May Cry to hunt for demons, but DMC5 should focus on actually telling us about Nero's origins, and thus most of Nero's side should comprise him searching for information on his origins, and ultimately learning how he's connected to Sparda. In the process of this, he would learn of inklings that the demon king Mundus is mounting a revival in Hell, which her learns of because he holds the true key to the demon world; Yamato, which demons have begun to seek out. This is all happening around the time that Dante is fighting Arius's forces in DMC2. Requiring some much needed help, Nero seeks out Dante, only to find Lucia waiting for his return, and here, Nero learns that Dante hasn't been seen for a while after he went to Hell - Nero knows what he's going to have to do...

On Dante's side, we've last seen him in DMC2's ending driving around Hell in a motorcycle, popping sweet wheelies into the sunset. Stuck in Hell, he's forced to fight off the demons that are still around, and in the process he is shown much of his past. The demons will pull at his memories, showing him things that players haven't known about, fleshing out Dante's character more, and even trying to explain his shift in mood between DMC4 and DMC2. Levels will be comprised of new places, as well as some old favorites as nods to his past exploits, like portions of Temen-ni-Gru and the castle on Mallet Island. We'll also get to hear more about a shifting leadership among the forces of Hell, as some demons who were sympathetic to Sparda have finally been able to stand up since Mundus was no longer around to silence them. So, Dante's story is comprised of his memories, learning more about himself, Sparda's legacy, and helping a sympathetic demon army rise against Mundus' remaining forces that are attempting to revive him. It ends up sort of like a reversal on the war for the throne we all know that got Lucifer and his followers cast out of heaven.

In the end, both sides culminate in Nero using Yamato's power to break open a seal to Hell, arriving fashionably on time to help Dante in the main assault against Mundus' forces. In the end, we've got Dante and Nero fighting against the newly revived Mundus, putting him down for good, and ending the series on a high note, where we know everything, and people can go out knowing they just experienced one of the craziest DMCs ever, and then go even crazier in Bloody Palace as Dante or Nero, or both in a co-op mode.

Gameplay features...I haven't thought of yet, but ChaserTech had some great ideas on that front I do think they should keep something similar to DmC for some of the controls, which...is really just making Dante play a little more like Nero, so that Aerial Rave and such are all on the same button

Dude, I'd rather have your idea then anything Capcom's crappy writers can come up with.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

Why, thank you

 

[Ryuuou]

Yeah, agreed. Nero idea was good but not telling about his origins resulted in conclusions about ''Is Nero a part of Vergil or not?'' mumbo jumbo.

 

[Sieghart]

It's nice to see that there are still some people who haven't given up yet on the original series.
It would be better if Capcom do DMC 5 but please capcom, get a better writer.
Replace Bingo morihashi for god sakes.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

Oh, and another idea - when Nero arrive's at Dante's office looking for him, he pulls up in a motorcycle, to which Lucia runs out to see. This would explain the engine we hear at the end of DMC2 that was never really cleared up.

 

[Dante47]

Oh, and a few more ideas - when Nero arrive's at Dante's office looking for him, he pulls up in a motorcycle, to which Lucia runs out to see. This would explain the engine we hear at the end of DMC2 that was never really cleared up.

I was thinking the exact same thing.
I got the idea from some fan fiction, but none-the-less it's pretty clever.

 

[Ryuuou]

Sob. My fan fiction of Kyrie and Nero. None of that will be in DMC 5. Love lost in DMC5. Consumed by money and mass production. GRRR

 

[TWOxACROSS]

Don't worry, I'll try to write her in there. It'll probably be a bit part as Nero's receptionist. As a human opera singer, she's not good for too much. Not that she needs to be, but...

 

[Ryuuou]

http://devilmaycry.org/community/threads/my-history-of-dmc5.3289/
This is as childish as I were but there has to be a middle way between my Fan Fiction and Ninja Theorys DMC5.

Ugh...That is really childish. A lot have happened in the five past years I see.

 

[Sieghart]

Don't worry, I'll try to write her in there. It'll probably be a bit part as Nero's receptionist. As a human opera singer, she's not good for too much. Not that she needs to be, but...

Maybe she can be something useful such as being an alchemist to help nero?

 

[Ryuuou]

Maybe she can be something useful such as being an alchemist to help nero?

Something like that are mostly not going to happen. That reminds me of Bleach

If she could do such things. That would be awesome!

 

[darkmanifest]

I thought about it, but...god...I really can't bring myself to do something like that. There's this whole idea that the soul is what really matters, and since Vergil's soul was 'sploded and torn apart, I don't think it's really possible to come back from that. I understand the love for Vergil and all, but I'm a firm believer in letting the dead rest, because a lot of what people love about Vergil is the mystery and things they made up in their own minds. Bringing him back to life would just sh*t on all of that, and even bringing him back for a small cameo would ruin some of the narrative being told >.<

Yeah, but it doesn't properly reconcile Vergil's story to just say his soul is demolished, therefore we'll never hear about it again. DMC4, in all its flailing about, quite literally stirred up Vergil's ghost and therefore created a lot of loose ends with Yamato, the Angelos, and Nero himself (unless somebody comes up with a better idea for how the kid's related to Sparda that makes more sense than him being connected to Vergil somehow). The damage is done, so while I agree resurrecting him would probably be a clusterf**k (I can think of several ways it's possible, but it's not something I'd trust Capcom with), Vergil's got to get a proper sending off or DMC5's conclusion will seem hollow, since so much of the franchise hinges on him as a character and a catalyst.

One option is to limit Vergil's appearance to flashbacks and/or discussion of him in both Dante's story and Nero's, if it's determined he's part of Nero's origins. If he's Nero's father (sigh), explain how the hell that happened and who his mother is supposed to be. If Nero himself is a remnant of Vergil, all that was left of his humanity after Mundus was through with him, then Nero's quest could involve him collecting all the remaining parts of Vergil's soul so he can inherit his legacy in full. Whatever the case, it should end with him and Dante laying Vergil to rest once and for all, providing closure without either relying on resurrection or salsa dancing around the elephant in the room like DMC4 did.

Anyway, yeah, I'd very much like DmC to be a standalone, but only if Capcom actually learns from the experience and applies it. Frankly, I'd rather let the classic series die with some dignity now than see another mess like DMC4. Ninja Theory has done well to expand on ideas presented in the originals that were being allowed to stagnate, and if DMC5 was to ever come about, I'd want that to continue (though with fresh creative minds, since I'm not totally on board with NT's take).