What DmC is going to introduce in gameplay ?

[ROCKMAN X]

I just got done playing dmc3. A new game and maybe my ps2 controler is to blame but Dante is not very fast. I thought dmc

ground combos aah nothing new you can do that with beowulf and gigamesh you're just saying its faster than dmc3 because you're defending the game there is no real proper demo of gameplay out yet you seem you 100000% confirmed that DmC is faster than dmc3 even though they stripped down the gfx to make it run smooth

 

[ReRave]

Nope given DMC3 had lower gfx and its really damn faster then any dmc game around that's my bet dude !
prepare to lose a lot of your belongings then.

show a video of dmc3 it never lags when surrounded by more than 20 enemies and runs smooth 60fps
20 enemies on-screen, 60 fps, hurr. There was never more than six to eight on the screen, whom are you trying to impress here?

and here DmC is struggling to get 30fps
you're not watching the trailers, that's obvious so far. Why do you think you can comment on it then?
its isn't even fair comparison since DMC3 is much faster then DMC4
That's just so... wrong...?
and wayyy much faster then DmC which needs downgrade in graphics to run at 30fps
I think I'll post the reasons for UE3 in my sig, if no one minds, so we'll be spared of uninformed rant like this in the future.

ground combos aah nothing new you can do that with beowulf and gigamesh you're just saying its faster than dmc3 because you're defending the game
wow, that's a smart way to discuss something. He played the game, he made observations. So far there are two observations(his and mine) against your "fact". Good luck with that.

there is no real proper demo of gameplay out yet you seem you 100000% confirmed that DmC is faster than dmc3
There are WIP-videos, that look better than anything DMC3 could have done. That should be enough confirmation.

even though they stripped down the gfx to make it run smooth
I'm not sure you know, what a gfx is, yet you use that word continually in almost every sentence.

Here's the actual deal:
What can UE3 do? UE3 manages to display a lot of movement on-screen (see Shooters) on a stable framerate, with scripted sequences flowing seamlessly into gameplay and the other way around. Meaning: there won't be a need for loading screens anymore and there will be a lot of more action on your screen, not less. The engine processes fast enough, to do all major calculations in the background, while you are playing, therefore making cuts obsolete. Textures are being calculated faster, deeper and there is more applied lighting on objects, as you might have noticed, if you watched the trailers in HD quality.



UE3 can do all this, the only ramification is a lower framerate of 30FPS.

Now, what can MT Framework do, the engine that created DMC4?
MTF manages quick movement and a lot of effects like impact-sparks and such, yet it fails to generate depth of optic (because there isn't much processing space to create lighting). It has no problems displaying a lot of enemies (though there is a rumour being spread, that the framerate went down in the dumps everytime you played the jungle stage on LDK) and it has enough power to display some neat cutscenes, BUT texture quality is mediocre and there are loading screens for almost everything you do:
Switching the area? Loading screen.
Cutscene? Loading screen.
Tiny script inside the gameplay? Probably a loading screen (there are Hardware-setups that get a loading icon, when Echidna appears in the runaway-scene).
MTF does this at 60 FPS(, though some say it's not stable).

Now point me one shooter, that had those "immense framebreaks", using UE3, that you fear so much in DmC.
If you can't, stop talking about tech, I obviously know more about it than you do.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

I am talking about the consoles in general they are getting all modified and stripped down gfx which takes out the "NT's creative enviornments" i suppose

and btw isn't DMC all hack'n'slash game ? it has no other genere in common it need fast non-stop action on screen with numerous enemies on screen with superfast gameplay Now that's DMC my friend !
I've never had any Loading screen for DMC4 never saw a loading screen before cutscene or door opening or maybe its because i have it for pc i never got them

UR3 maybe good for arkam city or any other shooter but its still doubtful since DMC gameplay demands heart pounding 60FPS constant atleast that's how i receall DMC is supposed to be maybe its also part of "Westernizing" lol

The TGS had amazing graphics though[only thing which seems good] would really love to play that in max settings on my pc

Don't forget to play them on "HD" and also refer it to the new trailers how downgraded in overall graphics they are

but bad luck for console gamers since they're doomed with more or less but game like we've seen in new trailers i am pretty nailed about it since NT isn't really like God of War devs who can make a miracle come true on ps2 and then continue to make it like a challenge and make one visually stunning psp gow games NT can dream of it love the gow games thou so damn fun

 

[ReRave]

I am talking about the consoles in general they are getting all modified and stripped down gfx which takes out the "NT's creative enviornments" i suppose
Again: I'm pretty sure, you don't know what GFX means.


and btw isn't DMC all hack'n'slash game ?
Yet you say, you can't group it together with anything else. This was never the point of this discussion.
it has no other genere in common it need fast non-stop action on screen with numerous enemies on screen with superfast gameplay Now that's DMC my friend !
I am not your friend and DMC is practically the same as Bayonetta and GOW.

I've never had any Loading screen for DMC4 never saw a loading screen before cutscene or door opening or maybe its because i have it for pc i never got them
Liar. Also not relevant, since I am talking about the benefits for consoles in terms of engine, not the PC who can basically override anything I'm saying here.

UR3 maybe good for arkam city or any other shooter but its still doubtful since DMC gameplay demands heart pounding 60FPS constant atleast that's how i receall DMC is supposed to be maybe its also part of "Westernizing" lol
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The TGS had amazing graphics though[only thing which seems good] would really love to play that in max settings on my pc
Don't forget to play them on "HD" and also refer it to the new trailers how downgraded in overall graphics they are

but bad luck for console gamers since they're doomed with more or less but game like we've seen in new trailers i am pretty nailed about it since NT isn't really like God of War devs who can make a miracle come true on ps2 and then continue to make it like a challenge and make one visually stunning psp gow games NT can dream of it love the gow games thou so damn fun
Your writing is a strain on my eyes.

Anways, before spreading your falsified examples, I'd like to advise you, to take actual footage from the newest trailer, not something that's almost a quarter year old.

This is faster than DMC3. Denial is the same as lying.

 

[CoolDemon]

Anways, before spreading your falsified examples, I'd like to advise you, to take actual footage from the newest trailer, not something that's almost a quarter year old.

This is faster than DMC3. Denial is the same as lying.

I have looked at DMC 3 and DmC video - your saying it's faster than DMC 3? Your lying because it looks the same and DmC doesn't seem so smooth.

DMC 3 gameplay is pretty outdated also. It was made in 2005. Not to mention that "The Secret" player seems pro. I can't seem to find any non turbo DMC 3 video with a pro player:s

DMC 4 is a better comparison choice since DMC 3 is outdated:

Now all you need is a pro player gameplay of DMC 4.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

My point was clearly not that DMC is not a copy of bayonetta or god of war my point was that hell "The hack'n'slash genre isn't like any shooters or adventure games as you're giving examples of
I was talking about the hack'n'slash genre performing in UR3 without any flaw and especially a game like DMC which is known for is quick-witted combat style guage and action UR3 IS still under suspicion of getting 60 FPS constant

i'm either blind or mad BUT this

Isn't any faster then DMC3 dante even with the extra coat of paint and technology it seems the same speed to me -_-

and you have just drawn a line between us by saying "I am not your friend" that's pretty arrogant of you i was trying to be all nice and friendly like many DmC supporters are here

Bottom line this engine isn't that easy to pull out and i've given SCEA studio as example that they pulled out GOW on ps2 a really weak console but they still managed it to run it on 60 fps without any visible loading times and NT is FARRR from what SCEA is so i highly doubt that DmC would have any better graphics then DMC4 nero's coat is more detailed than that devil hunter wannabe's ugly coat

 

[chocolatepanda]

Isn't any faster then DMC3 dante even with the extra coat of paint and technology it seems the same speed to me -_-

So what you're saying is even though DmC is running on 30 fps it still looks like its going at 60fps so there's not really a problem speed wise is there? Also Im not a 100% sure about this but i think the thing that the UE3 can do that the MT can't is make the area one big map instead of finding a door then having the screen go black for a second(loading screen) then starting again same thing for cutscenes there's no delay between the two. A good example is The Fight gameplay for DmC there a total of 3 cutscenes in that trailer but no delay between the cutscene and the actual gameplay.

 

[CoolDemon]

So what you're saying is even though DmC is running on 30 fps it still looks like its going at 60fps so there's not really a problem speed wise is there? Also Im not a 100% sure about this but i think the thing that the UE3 can do that the MT can't is make the area one big map instead of finding a door then having the screen go black for a second(loading screen) then starting again same thing for cutscenes there's no delay between the two. A good example is The Fight gameplay for DmC there a total of 3 cutscenes in that trailer but no delay between the cutscene and the actual gameplay.

No cutscene delay is good , but have you noticed that the gameplay isn't as smooth as DMC 4 or 3?

 

[chocolatepanda]

No cutscene delay is good , but have you noticed that the gameplay isn't as smooth as DMC 4 or 3?

Yeah its not up to par yet but little by little its making progress. The one thing that really bothers me the most is the grapple its not all that fast and i doubt that its gonna get any faster like in DMC4 Nero's snatch was pretty much instant everything else seems like it can still be worked on and improved like in one of the earliest gameplay trailers DmC Dante's Roulette Spin air combo was pretty slow but that was improved so im thinking that everything else will be improved as well.

 

[CoolDemon]

Yeah its not up to par yet but little by little its making progress. The one thing that really bothers me the most is the grapple its not all that fast and i doubt that its gonna get any faster like in DMC4 Nero's snatch was pretty much instant everything else seems like it can still be worked on and improved like in one of the earliest gameplay trailers DmC Dante's Roulette Spin air combo was pretty slow but that was improved so im thinking that everything else will be improved as well.

It sounds good. But just saying if that delay that you sense during gameplay is still there then the smooth transition from cutscene to gameplay isn't all that. And those two things is something i have mentioned before:

When you focus on one area - another area takes the hit.

 

[ReRave]

Ok, I am outta here, you guys are incorrectable.

 

[Pale Rider]

Yeah its not up to par yet but little by little its making progress. The one thing that really bothers me the most is the grapple its not all that fast and i doubt that its gonna get any faster like in DMC4 Nero's snatch was pretty much instant everything else seems like it can still be worked on and improved like in one of the earliest gameplay trailers DmC Dante's Roulette Spin air combo was pretty slow but that was improved so im thinking that everything else will be improved as well.

I agree. Even I've noticed some improvements. The gameplay has changed from clunky to smooth and speed has been upped a little. But then again, I don't think it's gonna be any faster than this.....unless they decide to add the "turbo" mode.

 

[chocolatepanda]

It sounds good. But just saying if that delay that you sense during gameplay is still there then the smooth transition from cutscene to gameplay isn't all that. And those two things is something i have mentioned before:

When you focus on one area - another area takes the hit.

I hoping a good equilibrium will be found only time will tell. Im looking forward to when the next gameplay vid is released because for the most part the question about how smooth it will be will kinda be answered. Since they haven't shown any gameplay for awhile now the next vid should show improvements to the combat if there aren't any most likely none will be made in the future.

 

[CoolDemon]

I hoping a good equilibrium will be found only time will tell. Im looking forward to when the next gameplay vid is released because for the most part the question about how smooth it will kinda be answered. Since they haven't shown any gameplay for awhile now the next vid should show improvements to the combat if there aren't any most likely none will be made in the future.

Indeed.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

Ok, I am outta here, you guys are incorrectable.

okay,thanks bigoted DmC fans can leave[Forever]

I agree. Even I've noticed some improvements. The gameplay has changed from clunky to smooth and speed has been upped a little. But then again, I don't think it's gonna be any faster than this.....unless they decide to add the "turbo" mode.

NOW that's whom i want to talk with not some biased mad DmC fanboys who just keep on crying about DmC

Honestly i had a thing for the grab thx for clearing itup for me it just seemed kinda weird anyway since its based off DB but a slow one especially slow for consoles and more specifically Ps3 is going to get the most of the bugs and glitches and btw you're right it isn't faster than DMC3 and isn't faster than DMC4 its pointless and biased to say like that

it seems like its just going to be like this *sigh* i feel bad for people who own a ps3&360 and are still willing to buy DmC

 

[ZeroLove]

okay,thanks bigoted DmC fans can leave[Forever]



NOW that's whom i want to talk with not some biased mad DmC fanboys who just keep on crying about DmC

Honestly i had a thing for the grab thx for clearing itup for me it just seemed kinda weird anyway since its based off DB but a slow one especially slow for consoles and more specifically Ps3 is going to get the most of the bugs and glitches and btw you're right it isn't faster than DMC3 and isn't faster than DMC4 its pointless and biased to say like that

it seems like its just going to be like this *sigh* i feel bad for people who own a ps3&360 and are still willing to buy DmC

And you don't consider yourself biased towards the original series?

 

[Pale Rider]

okay,thanks bigoted DmC fans can leave[Forever]



NOW that's whom i want to talk with not some biased mad DmC fanboys who just keep on crying about DmC

Honestly i had a thing for the grab thx for clearing itup for me it just seemed kinda weird anyway since its based off DB but a slow one especially slow for consoles and more specifically Ps3 is going to get the most of the bugs and glitches and btw you're right it isn't faster than DMC3 and isn't faster than DMC4 its pointless and biased to say like that

Correct.

it seems like its just going to be like this *sigh* i feel bad for people who own a ps3&360 and are still willing to buy DmC

I'm sorry but you shouldn't feel sorry for anyone. It's their money, it's their choice. Not all the people think in the same way. Some actually like this game and they have every right to do that. You shouldn't be concerned about them.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

And you don't consider yourself biased towards the original series?

As if this DmC has expanded its fanbase 1000x leaving us alone in the limbo city
As if DmC got all 9+ "AMAZING" scores and almost sold 5 billion copies in one day
As if this looks great and is elected GOTY 2012 winner in advance
As if they succeeded with this really lazy attempt which has thousands of flaws to point out

agree with you @DanTe_InCoGnIT its their money they can do anything they want to we are no one to say Hey don't smoke its bad ! Hey slitting your wrists its wrong someone really cares about you ! but no people have right to do let's just leave them with their sub-conscious mind

 

[ZeroLove]

As if this DmC has expanded its fanbase 1000x leaving us alone in the limbo city
As if DmC got all 9+ "AMAZING" scores and almost sold 5 billion copies in one day
As if they succeeded with this really lazy attempt which has thousands of flaws to point out

That was not my point. You flame the new Devil May Cry, but on what ground? You sound like you have played it and knows all about it, but you haven't and you don't. That you don't like it from what you have seen and heard so far that's fair, no one is forcing you to like it, but your whole attitude is just plain filthy. You compare liking this game with slitting ones wrists? That is just aweful! It's just a game, there's no reason for you to make such grim and downright mean statements.

So by default, if someone doesn't share your opinions, they should commit suicide? Because that's how your posts can be interpreted. I really hope you aren't like this in the other aspects of your life, that the reason you are like this is just because you are some crazed out DMC fanboy, because that's how I read you from here.

There's nothing wrong with disliking something, I have dislikes myself, but seriously, this is just a videogame. There's no reason for such crude behaviour. You should be ashamed.

 

[ROCKMAN X]

That was not my point. You flame the new Devil May Cry, but on what ground? You sound like you have played it an.

LOLZ he was just acting way to much bigoted and wasn't listening to my points that's why he's one sided i think I've made some legit point rather then "Directly flaming the DmC thread"

mean filthy ?? come on ! its just a common Internet slang on teens slitting their wrists if you never heard it its not my mistake

they should commit suicide? OMG where did i point someone seriously like "Hey look at you Re Rave go kill yourself if you buy this game !" kind of statement I was just stating people are free to do anything its their resource its their money they can do anything they want and besides that i just added some humorous examples not to be taken seriously okay ?

ha ha that's how can you make it out just by reading few posts man you were wrong you have a judgemental attitude not me

I should be ashamed ? really I've seen many fanboys calling Old dante's a muth*** okaturd old fashioned senseless drag queen and many many numerous nickname they've made on original Dante and all crap

I don't talk like that do i ?