- I was just saying I dislike DmC because it does not feature anything I like. I don't like its version of Dante, I don't like Vergil. Mundus is incredibly cliché and badly written. Lilith too. Kat... I hardly even remember her. It's all just a bit boring to me.
I'm also criticizing it for being so different from DMC, because nobody asked for that. Not a single gamer asked for that. It was all Capcom's idea to change the characters, story, style, atmosphere... everything. And it didn't really work out for them. Most people don't like DmC because it changed so much FOR NO REASON. I understand that DMC didn't make sense story-wise, but the reboot didn't have to change so many things so drastically. That's what I mean.
Well you're free to dislike DmC's characters, I'm not saying anything against that, but the way you put it made it seem as if they'd done something that goes agains some kinda 'rules' for rebooting.
Mundus has allways been pretty cliché, as far as I remember. I don't find him to be THAT badly written, surely nothing you'd win an oscar for, but definiely not worse than any other Devil May Cry villian.
I don't think that anybody ever asked for any kind of reboot, at least for the most part, so I don't really see your point.
I find the general atmosphere of DmC to be quite a bit like the one in DMC1&2, not quite as thick, but still very similar; it's different in the case of DMC3&4, but that did't really have anything form it's predecessor's atmo anyway. Same goes for the story and characters, I can still see their original interpretation in them.
You know the thing is that the entire reason for the reboot to be made in the first place
was to make it drastically different - and especially to make it more western - while still keeping the DMC DNA, or at least that's how I understood it.
- DmC does have vibrant colors, but I see no anime influence in that, per se. Just because something is vibrant doesn't mean it's related to anime. If I color something bright yellow, does that make it anime? Of course not. So I think you're just grasping at straws there.
Well, first off, it is a fact that they drew inspiration from anime for that, and secondly I also mentioned the over the top ness which is quite anime-ish; you know if you don't see anything anime in DmC it's not my fault, but I feel like it's still got something of that; like it's a mix between Japanese and western aesthetics and sensibilities.
- DmC Dante a mix between DMC1 and DMC3 Dante? Not really. He acts like an asshole in DmC. He acts like he's worth more than other people. DMC3 Dante didn't do that: he just calls demons names and tells them their powers suck. In DmC, Dante acts like he's all that (you can call me Dante the demon killer! hurr durr). In DMC3, Dante acts like the demons are nothing. Big difference. DMC3 Dante = cocky and self-centered, DmC Dante is arrogant and opportunistic.
I'm not gonna argue that he acted like a bit of an asshole in the beginning, but he certainly changed during the course of the game. I don't exactly see how he acts all that differently towards demons I'm afraid, as I don't exactly see much of a difference between calling demons names (which, btw, DmC Dante does just aswell) and that 'Dante the demon' killer line; they're both ways to show that he feels like he's better than them in a way, be it power wise or simply because he thinks that he doesn't have the same mentality as them. He dosen't act like he's worth more than other people, where did you even take that from? If anything that's what Vergil acts like, but Dante? At the end of DmC he even gave Kat all the credit for freeing mankind, how's that acting like he's worth more?
In terms of appearance, he looks nothing like any of the old Dantes either. The anime/gothic style has been completely wiped away. Now he just wears a ruddy white t-shirt and a tattered black coat. Boring. And no, I don't give a sh*t about his hair color - it could be red for all I care.
I never enven talked about appearance, because exept for maybe a more or less similar basic face structure they really don't look much alike - luckily.
- You know what I mean by 'classic demons'. I mean the classic old fantasy christian type of demons. The ones with horns, wings and pointy tails. The ones that actually look demonic. Your interpretation of 'classic' does not factor into the equation.
Even in christian believe and old fantasy demons are usually belived to posses people and/or form contracts with them, it's not about appearance alone, because that way they could just be any kind of monster. Not to mention that a lot of demons in the original games didn't exactly fit into the 'horns, wings and pointy tail' archetype either, except for a bunch in DMC2, if I remember correctly.
- Yeah, you just gave a general impression of the characters instead of going deep into what makes them tick.
''big hearted'' anyone can be big-hearted. That's not a trait of Dante alone.
''whise cracking'' *wise-cracking - not a trait of Dante alone.
dude who just loves slaying demons - not a trait of Dante alone.
They're his most defining traits, though, but sure if you want more:
- lost his mother due to demons and now wants to take revenge
- both are more of the loner type
- likes pizza ;P
- DmC Dante drowns his loneliness and worries in alcohol, sleeping around and killing demons, and it is hinted at that DMC Dante isn't much different in that aspect
- values the ones he loves a lot, probably more than his own life
- usually kinda goofy and easy-going, but serious if the situation calls it
- DMC Dante is pretty lazy, and DmC Dante seems to be aswell, judging by his appearance and the trailer he lives in
- both are quite the party people, just that DMC Dante always talks about parties while we see DmC Dante actually going to parties, or well, clubbing
- both want to protect mankind (though I guess that's a bit debateable for DMC Dante), even though people never really gave them a reason to do so in the first place, but somehow he still thinks their worth it
''the more silent and calculating type'' - not a trait of Vergil alone. It could pertain to anyone, anyone who's not even in DmC or DMC.
- feels a need to take control of things
- feels a need for more POWER ;P
- feels better than Dante until defeated by him, which he cannot accept
- actually seems to feel superior to just about anyone
- actually really cares about his mother's death, but wouldn't really show it ; the driving force behind his actions aswell
- doesn't really care for anyone but himself and maybe his family, or what's left of it
- DmC Vergil doesn't want to get attached to people, since that could become a disadvantage for him; DMC Vergil *seems* to be the same, although that has never been expicitly stated
...aaaaaaaaaand that's all I can think of for now as far as personality traits for the twins go. Idk, but maybe it'd be helpful if you'd tell me what exactly you feel makes them so different, because I honestly can't find anything which is THAT drastically different that I can't see them as different interpretations of the same character.
- Well, the anime influences are still important to me. If you take that away and put some 'western grittiness' in there, then you end up with something I cannot call Devil May Cry.
Well that's okay, it's just not necessarily a super important defining trait for me, and I don't see all that much "western grittiness" in Poison, so I still think she'd do just fine in the originals as far as visuals go. On a side note, I personlly feel like DMC1&2 actually had a certain grittiness, which was dropped in 3&4, unfortunately.
