therogis
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Because trying to edit my post with a quote on mobile is a pain in the butt with my clumsy fingers, here's my previous post which I'm gonna delete after this to avoid double-posting 
"Loud Americans everywhere in our elitist writing club
I just realized I skipped something from your post that needs a proper answer/personal explanation, I'm atm a bit on the go but I'll return to that later."
Now to that "later" part:
So what I wanted to add in here, is that I've never thought any community forced me to write anything or that I magically learned anything just by changing my audience. I learned stuff by falling high to the nest of Loud Americans :rofl: Honestly speaking, without them I wouldn't have anything published to this day.
Here's the thing: For me, though trust me I've seen it happen for some other people as well, the crappy feedback can make you think it's a good piece of art, even though it was really a crappy-written morally gray one glorifying nonconsent kisses and forced gay romance. I call it feedback blindness.
And yes, that's not giving a f*ck about the craft, like you said. That's Entertainer style. You know Artists and Entertainers, I recall we were discussing about it so I bet you get the point. It's basically the same what you told me above.
While the morally problematic and crappy-written fic is not a piece of great writing ("Mona Lisa", to quote you!) it can be a piece of good (ok, maybe not good, but decent in said example) fanfic. I just don't think original writing and fic-writing should be counted in the same category. They're both writing and creative work, but they are very different and, IMO, noncomparable, the same way as my legal philosophy textbooks are not comparable to the best novels I've ever read.
And this is where feedback blindness steps in. The poor ficwriter with their nonconsent forced gay moment has gotten only awws and "wow that was great" for feedback. They think it's a great piece of writing. It's not. It's crap. But there's no one to tell them that. As long as no one does that, even their original writing ends up to be a fanfic-level one, which, in originals, just usually doesn't work.
And the first one to tell them what's wrong in their original is just a bad reader, because "in fanfic world everyone loved it!". (The fact that popularity and quality are definitely not the same thing is another related problem here...)
Of course it's not the community to blame for that kind of blindness. It's a writer weakness, like I said. But that hopefully explains my point a little better... Or maybe I'm just repeating myself :rofl:
"Loud Americans everywhere in our elitist writing club
I just realized I skipped something from your post that needs a proper answer/personal explanation, I'm atm a bit on the go but I'll return to that later.
"Now to that "later" part:
So what I wanted to add in here, is that I've never thought any community forced me to write anything or that I magically learned anything just by changing my audience. I learned stuff by falling high to the nest of Loud Americans :rofl: Honestly speaking, without them I wouldn't have anything published to this day.
Here's the thing: For me, though trust me I've seen it happen for some other people as well, the crappy feedback can make you think it's a good piece of art, even though it was really a crappy-written morally gray one glorifying nonconsent kisses and forced gay romance. I call it feedback blindness.
And yes, that's not giving a f*ck about the craft, like you said. That's Entertainer style. You know Artists and Entertainers, I recall we were discussing about it so I bet you get the point. It's basically the same what you told me above.
While the morally problematic and crappy-written fic is not a piece of great writing ("Mona Lisa", to quote you!) it can be a piece of good (ok, maybe not good, but decent in said example) fanfic. I just don't think original writing and fic-writing should be counted in the same category. They're both writing and creative work, but they are very different and, IMO, noncomparable, the same way as my legal philosophy textbooks are not comparable to the best novels I've ever read.
And this is where feedback blindness steps in. The poor ficwriter with their nonconsent forced gay moment has gotten only awws and "wow that was great" for feedback. They think it's a great piece of writing. It's not. It's crap. But there's no one to tell them that. As long as no one does that, even their original writing ends up to be a fanfic-level one, which, in originals, just usually doesn't work.
And the first one to tell them what's wrong in their original is just a bad reader, because "in fanfic world everyone loved it!". (The fact that popularity and quality are definitely not the same thing is another related problem here...)
Of course it's not the community to blame for that kind of blindness. It's a writer weakness, like I said. But that hopefully explains my point a little better... Or maybe I'm just repeating myself :rofl:
