Timeline Changed - DMC 2 Now Takes Place Before DMC 4

[windleopard]

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So, yeah, according to the Twitter post above by Matt Walker, the DMC timeline has now been changed and DMC 2 now takes place before DMC 4.

So... what now? They stated in an interview that the ending would explain why 5 took place after 2. Will that still apply? Guess we'll have to see.

 

[V's patron]

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So, yeah, according to the Twitter post above by Matt Walker, the DMC timeline has now been changed and DMC 2 now takes place before DMC 4.

So... what now? They stated in an interview that the ending would explain why 5 took place after 2. Will that still apply? Guess we'll have to see.

It reminds me of how Team Ninja handled the whole "Is the SNES ninja gaiden games canon to the modern series?".

Tvtropes called it the flip flop of God because they kept changing their minds.

At this point i rather they just replace Dante and make it a Trish/lady spinoff.

 

[Foxtrot94]

https://devilmaycry.org/forums/threads/a-change-in-the-timeline.23761/o

 

[windleopard]

https://devilmaycry.org/forums/threads/a-change-in-the-timeline.23761/o

Um, the link isn't working.

 

[Foxtrot94]

Um, the link isn't working.

Weird. But anyway, a thread about this topic already exists. Just to avoid redundancy. It's in the DMC General Discussion section.

 

[BlackAngel]

Ok, there's a couple of things wrong with this.

Dante's personality change- How was Dante changed into a silent, stoic, protagonist into his old, over-the-top, ridiculous self in DMC4? They should've create a story of why Dante is not the same person as he once was. They could make up s story how he lost Lady, Trish, and his friends to Patty who was possessed by a demon and killing them in the most gruesome ways. Then he kills Patty to stop her from killing more people.

Then he cries as he killed his friend/sister figure and blames himself, and decides to leave things to fate because of that.

 

[DarkSlayerVergil]

Ok, there's a couple of things wrong with this.

Dante's personality change- How was Dante changed into a silent, stoic, protagonist into his old, over-the-top, ridiculous self in DMC4? They should've create a story of why Dante is not the same person as he once was. They could make up s story how he lost Lady, Trish, and his friends to Patty who was possessed by a demon in the most gruesome ways. Then kills Patty to stop her from killing more people.

Then he cries as he killed his friend/sister figure and blames himself, and decides to leave things to fate because of that.

0/10 Dante not a love child of DeadPool and Michelangelo lol.

 

[BlackAngel]

0/10 Dante not a love child of DeadPool and Michelangelo lol.

I mean, they could make it believable that Dante lost everything from the demons who destroys everything that he loved. He thought he could have someone to love and protect, but he felt like he couldn't. That would be a better explanation why he leaves everything to fate, because he felt that whoever's around him will die. He's afraid to love someone, because of his traumatic past of losing his mother and the people he was around with.

 

[DarkSlayerVergil]

I mean, they could make it believable that Dante lost everything from the demons who destroys everything that he loved. He thought he could have someone to love and protect, but he felt like he couldn't. That would be a better explanation why he leaves everything to fate, because he felt that whoever's around him will die. He's afraid to love someone, because of his traumatic past of losing his mother and the people he was around with.

Lol, I agree I was just bringing up that many fans wouldn't care why Dante attitude became pretty inconsistent between games. Giving an actual reason for his sudden change in attitude is something that should already be explained instead of Capcom putting effort into trying to white-wash Vergil actions.

 

[Vergil95]

Lol, I agree I was just bringing up that many fans wouldn't care why Dante attitude became pretty inconsistent between games. Giving an actual reason for his sudden change in attitude is something that should already be explained instead of Capcom putting effort into trying to white-wash Vergil actions.

There is no explanation lol its just the various games changing director and artistic direction, that's all

 

[DarkSlayerVergil]

There is no explanation lol its just the various games changing director and artistic direction, that's all

Oh I'm well aware why its the way it is. I just getting tired of it is all tbh, its like MK where the art style changes and the characters are barely recognizable(at least with Mortal Kombat, I can still tell who majority of DMC cast is).

 

[windleopard]

The prequel novel had Dante going to another dimension where he had to kill an alternate evil version of Trish. That would be enough reason for him to be more introverted.

 

[DarkSlayerVergil]

The prequel novel had Dante going to another dimension where he had to kill an alternate evil version of Trish. That would be enough reason for him to be more introverted.

Not really since his world version is still alive. Now if say Trish got possessed or mind controlled by some powerful demon (Urizen for example) and was firced to kill her. Then add on the fact that Dante had to kill Trish again from another timeline then it'd make sense but as it stand it's just not particularly strong in terms of motivations.

 

[windleopard]

Not really since his world version is still alive. Now if say Trish got possessed or mind controlled by some powerful demon (Urizen for example) and was firced to kill her. Then add on the fact that Dante had to kill Trish again from another timeline then it'd make sense but as it stand it's just not particularly strong in terms of motivations.

DMC 2 seems to be taking place when Trish has left Dante. Add in that he doesn't have any of his friends around (Lady, Patty and Morrison don't appear), Vergil is still dead and he hasn't met Nero yet. He basically went through a really rough experience and had no one to talk to about it. That could make anyone feel more sullen even if temporarily.

 

[V's patron]

Ultimately it's an underwhelming decision but not unexpected. Itsuno seemed to want to avoid 2 at all costs. Granted it would've been easier just to resolve it in 3. Just have Dante try to seek a way out of hell but he has to climb the tower first. Along the way he butts head with the antagonist who could be someone new or Vergil again.

That's just me spitballing. That could've been DMC4 as well but they would have to wanna resolve 2 first.

I don't think there is an actual mystery to solve because the artbook points to 2's plot being recycled concepts from another project. So maybe DMC2 Dante's demeanor just recycled from another character or a victim of 2's budget issues?

 

[Morgan]

Well, yes. That's the Doylist reason for why 2Dante's personality is so stoic. But the game exists and none of the characters know they're in one, so the question as to why Dante is that way in-universe needs in-universe events (Watsonian explanation). They had a good enough setup in the concept art for Dante's "Perfect Devil Trigger" in 4. Something about how he'd attain power but lose control over himself and go berserk. He could possibly kill his own allies in that state, leading to him to the stoic personality, a coin with "Trish's silhouette" on both sides where the "Heads" is tied to him being noble, and his ability to empathize with Lucia's fear of turning into a monster that attacks humans.

Or, y'know, just have Dante stab himself in the chest with a sword one more time and he gains a super de duper devil form with no chance of him losing his humanity over it. That too.

 

[berto]

Ok, there's a couple of things wrong with this.

Dante's personality change- How was Dante changed into a silent, stoic, protagonist into his old, over-the-top, ridiculous self in DMC4? They should've create a story of why Dante is not the same person as he once was. They could make up s story how he lost Lady, Trish, and his friends to Patty who was possessed by a demon in the most gruesome ways. Then kills Patty to stop her from killing more people.

Then he cries as he killed his friend/sister figure and blames himself, and decides to leave things to fate because of that.

That's rather grim, but, aside from that, I understand your point of view. However, over the years I've come to grips with the fact that the games were simply made by different people and that there is no cannon to explain these tremendous tonal shifts away. In the same way that the world of DMC1 is not one where one can ride rockets or drive motorcycles up towers the world of DMC2 has no tonal baring with the rest of the games. There is no hidden history, outside of the development one, and, if I am being honest with myself, no official reason would really suffice. There'd always be 'but then, why.'

 

[Lain]

It's all clear to me now, when Sparda used his power to separate the human and demon worlds he accidentally created a dimensional refraction that split spacetime to create several versions of reality superimposed on top of each other. It's not that Dante changes personality or anything but rather we're seeing into a kaleidoscope of the DMC-verse where each game has a slightly different reality and thus each time we see a different Dante. That is how not only all the DMCs but also DmC are all canon to each other simultaneously...

"Crisis on Infinite Dante" when, Capcom?

 

[V's patron]

@Lain
They should take a page out of Doctor Who's playbook and call it "the 5 Dantes" or "Dante's Day".

@Morgan
Yeah i know. To me continuity only matters if you build on it. Unless they were gonna follow up 2's aspects in another story, it would've been better off just to scrap it and move on.

Or just give it to someone else like Lady and Trish.

 

[Morgan]

@Lain They might as well, DMC3 was Capcom's version of Superman Red and Superman Blue.

Anybody find it super weird that we still don't know who that first director of DMC2 was that left it in the state it's in for Itsuno to salvage? Inb4 it turned out to be Ono or something.