Tim Phillips: voice actor of Dante....................notice anything?

[McdD]

In comparison to him being old. I think that's all there is to it, you guys are looking too much into it, imo.

Your telling me i am looking to much into it? Considering DmC is a reboot of DMC.
Consider DmC is being put on a line and compared to DMC
Consider DmC taking names from DMC
Consider DmC is taking ideas from DMC story

I don´t think i am looking to much into it. I believe the reason Tameem Antoniades said he´s a young Dante is because he was comparing DmC Dante to DMC Dante.
And honestly you don´t know if i am looking to much into it. That´s your opinion just as my opinion is that Tameem was comparing the age of DmC Dante to DMC Dante when he said what he said.

As for Dante´s age, i got a feeling telling me he´s around 16-17 years old Sequal wise it would be bad to begin DmC 1 with a character that is 20-21 years old (That is a young adult).

 

[ZeroLove]

Your telling me i am looking to much into it? Considering DmC is a reboot of DMC.
Consider DmC is being put on a line and compared to DMC
Consider DmC taking names from DMC
Consider DmC is taking ideas from DMC story

I don´t think i am looking to much into it. I believe the reason Tameem Antoniades said he´s a young Dante is because he was comparing DmC Dante to DMC Dante.
And honestly you don´t know if i am looking to much into it. That´s your opinion just as my opinion is that Tameem was comparing the age of DmC Dante to DMC Dante when he said what he said.

As for Dante´s age, i got a feeling telling me he´s around 16-17 years old Sequal wise it would be bad to begin DmC 1 with a character that is 20-21 years old (That is a young adult).

DmC isn't canon with the original series. The new Dante isn't the original Dante. It is a reboot which means that Dante's story will be different and told in a new way and by new people, this time Ninja Theory instead of Capcom. There is no need to keep comparing the new Dante with the old Dante, because though they are based on the same concept, they aren't the same character.

 

[McdD]

DmC isn't canon with the original series. The new Dante isn't the original Dante. It is a reboot which means that Dante's story will be different and told in a new way and by new people, this time Ninja Theory instead of Capcom. There is no need to keep comparing the new Dante with the old Dante, because though they are based on the same concept, they aren't the same character.

I completely agree with you. DmC Dante should´t be dependent of original Dante.
They are two completey different characters.

But that does´t mean Tameem Antoniades or anyone else can´t say "Dante is young compared to DMC Dante".
And despite there is no need to compare the two characters people do it. Even Capcom and NT has done it.
Which is pretty stupid if you ask me.
There is no need to say "DmC Dante isn´t no good because he is not like DMC Dante" or something similar. Because if you are aware Tameem Antoniades did say that Dante from DMC (DMC 1 released in 2001) who's 12 years old isn´t cool no longer. That´s his words not mine and it goes to show you even developers of DmC is comparing the two characters.

E3 2010 Trailer i saw a Dante that was made by NT. 2012 DmC Dante is a Dante influenced by sales thoughts and fans. He SEEMS no longer what Tameem Antoniades had in mind when he said Dante is angry and angst.
So he has been changed if not a lot. And the reason for the change? Because he was compared to DMC Dante.

Capcom thinks of sales. And i believe that is why DmC is in MANY ways a copy of DMC. Because DMC has a fan base which means people who will buy DMC games. So by adding DMC stuff to reboot DmC you get more people on your tail to buy the game.

What they should have done is make a game that would be the spiritual successor to DMC. A game with a new character, new story but at at same time it has the gameplay that is in DMC. Such as Rebellion, Air Hike, Jump canceling etc. This is why it´s called a "spiritual successor".
This would give NT more freedom as well
But Capcom didn´t do that. Despite that would PROBABLY be a very good thing to do. And why didn´t Capcom do that? reason: Sales, Sales and Sales.

 

[chocolateghost79]

I completely agree with you. DmC Dante should´t be dependent of original Dante.
They are two completey different characters.

But that does´t mean Tameem Antoniades or anyone else can´t say "Dante is young compared to DMC Dante".
And despite there is no need to compare the two characters people do it. Even Capcom and NT has done it.
Which is pretty stupid if you ask me.
There is no need to say "DmC Dante isn´t no good because he is not like DMC Dante" or something similar. Because if you are aware Tameem Antoniades did say that Dante from DMC (DMC 1 released in 2001) who's 12 years old isn´t cool no longer. That´s his words not mine and it goes to show you even developers of DmC is comparing the two characters.

E3 2010 Trailer i saw a Dante that was made by NT. 2012 DmC Dante is a Dante influenced by sales thoughts and fans. He SEEMS no longer what Tameem Antoniades had in mind when he said Dante is angry and angst.
So he has been changed if not a lot. And the reason for the change? Because he was compared to DMC Dante.

Capcom thinks of sales. And i believe that is why DmC is in MANY ways a copy of DMC. Because DMC has a fan base which means people who will buy DMC games. So by adding DMC stuff to reboot DmC you get more people on your tail to buy the game.

What they should have done is make a game that would be the spiritual successor to DMC. A game with a new character, new story but at at same time it has the gameplay that is in DMC. Such as Rebellion, Air Hike, Jump canceling etc. This is why it´s called a "spiritual successor".
This would give NT more freedom as well
But Capcom didn´t do that. Despite that would PROBABLY be a very good thing to do. And why didn´t Capcom do that? reason: Sales, Sales and Sales.

well if they didn't keep SOME things the same, then they wouldn't have the right to call it a devil may cry game.

 

[McdD]

well if they didn't keep SOME things the same, then they wouldn't have the right to call it a devil may cry game.

Well allow me to enlighten you on what people including DmC team defines a DMC game:
the gameplay.

They spoke about "DMC DNA" and how that was the gameplay. The stylish gameplay etc.
And Capcom agrees with them on that.
They never said Dante is part of DMCA DNA. Despite many fans who are annoyed claiming Dante is to important to take out.

Now as i pointed out "DMCA DNA" is the gameplay. And the post of mine you quoted i have said that they could kept the gameplay but created a new story and character.

So i don´t know about you but they have kept ALOOOOOT of DMC stuff in DmC Reboot.
And since "gameplay" is the DNA of DMC, then they could have made a new story and character but kept the same gameplay.

 

[chocolateghost79]

Well allow me to enlighten you on what people including DmC team defines a DMC game:
the gameplay.

They spoke about "DMC DNA" and how that was the gameplay. The stylish gameplay etc.
And Capcom agrees with them on that.
They never said Dante is part of DMCA DNA. Despite many fans who are annoyed claiming Dante is to important to take out.

Now as i pointed out "DMCA DNA" is the gameplay. And the post of mine you quoted i have said that they could kept the gameplay but created a new story and character.

So i don´t know about you but they have kept ALOOOOOT of DMC stuff in DmC Reboot.
And since "gameplay" is the DNA of DMC, then they could have made a new story and character but kept the same gameplay.

so we can agree that they are keeping elements from DMC in DmC?

 

[McdD]

so we can agree that they are keeping elements from DMC in DmC?

Yes, that´s why it called a reboot.
But they didn´t keep Dante. And the story is not the same.

So i am just saying why not just make a new character and story and turn DmC into "spiritual successor" of DMC instead of "DmC the reboot"?
That would be better. Would give NT more freedom.

But as i have said so many times that i am getting sick of reading what i am typing: They kept "Dante" for sales. And story also to certain degree.

 

[chocolateghost79]

Yes, that´s why it called a reboot.
But they didn´t keep Dante. And the story is not the same.

So i am just saying why not just make a new character and story and turn DmC into "spiritual successor" of DMC instead of "DmC the reboot"?
That would be better. Would give NT more freedom.

But as i have said so many times that i am getting sick of reading what i am typing: They kept "Dante" for sales. And story also to certain degree.

well i can't answer why they decided to do a new take on dante, but i am interested in seeing this dante's story.

 

[wallenb]

Yes, that´s why it called a reboot.
But they didn´t keep Dante. And the story is not the same.

So i am just saying why not just make a new character and story and turn DmC into "spiritual successor" of DMC instead of "DmC the reboot"?
That would be better. Would give NT more freedom.

But as i have said so many times that i am getting sick of reading what i am typing: They kept "Dante" for sales. And story also to certain degree.

I think NT has as much freedom on this game as they did with Enslaved. Both games are based off of an already established story line, all NT is doing is retelling it with their own little spin on the story.
I have no idea what DMC DNA means because they reference it to everything and not just gameplay. They have said that gameplay is the core to DMC but the gameplay, specifically the combat, have many reference like moves to DMC but theres still no telling how to preform the moves. The button layout is already different and so is changing weapons/styles. The only thing i see similar to both DmC and past DMC games is button responsiveness. And if thats all dmc dna is then Bayonetta should be the "spiritual successor".

But when u think about it, all hack and slash games rely on that simple fact. So maybe DMC DNA is more than just responsive button input. Maybe its actually the lore? Maybe its the cheesy writing? Or maybe when u play the game it's undeniably a DMC game? :O

 

[McdD]

I think NT has as much freedom on this game as they did with Enslaved. Both games are based off of an already established story line, all NT is doing is retelling it with their own little spin on the story.
I have no idea what DMC DNA means because they reference it to everything and not just gameplay. They have said that gameplay is the core to DMC but the gameplay, specifically the combat, have many reference like moves to DMC but theres still no telling how to preform the moves. The button layout is already different and so is changing weapons/styles. The only thing i see similar to both DmC and past DMC games is button responsiveness. And if thats all dmc dna is then Bayonetta should be the "spiritual successor".

But when u think about it, all hack and slash games rely on that simple fact. So maybe DMC DNA is more than just responsive button input. Maybe its actually the lore? Maybe its the cheesy writing? Or maybe when u play the game it's undeniably a DMC game? :O

Well Bayonetta is the unofficial spiritual successor of DMC.
DmC COULD be if they decided to be the OFFIcial one


And i am just thinking if DMC Dante is not part of DMC DNA then you might as well ditch him and make a new character *cough*sales

 

[wallenb]

Well yea, its a company, a video game company at that AND we're talking about Capcom. Making money is usually their top priority. Tameem saying he doesn't care about sales, and that he only want to make the best game NT can is BS because their still banking on the fact that they want people to have fun with the game.

The reboot is a different character. I'm sure the story will have references from DMC but already their lead character has no resemblance to previous DMC Dante's.

Bayonetta cannot be the spiritual successor just because the director of the game, made that game. I happen to think Bayonetta's only relation ship to DMC is, one of the four dmc games was made by Kamiya and you press [ ] to shoot. Although DmC being the spiritual successor makes more sense. And yea, like you said, capcom can just mention that is is the SS and DmC will be it.

 

[McdD]

Well yea, its a company, a video game company at that AND we're talking about Capcom. Making money is usually their top priority. Tameem saying he doesn't care about sales, and that he only want to make the best game NT can is BS because their still banking on the fact that they want people to have fun with the game.

The reboot is a different character. I'm sure the story will have references from DMC but already their lead character has no resemblance to previous DMC Dante's.

Bayonetta cannot be the spiritual successor just because the director of the game, made that game. I happen to think Bayonetta's only relation ship to DMC is, one of the four dmc games was made by Kamiya and you press [ ] to shoot. Although DmC being the spiritual successor makes more sense. And yea, like you said, capcom can just mention that is is the SS and DmC will be it.

Have you played Bayonetta?

 

[wallenb]

Have you played Bayonetta?

yep. Have you?

 

[McdD]

yep. Have you?

No, but the gameplay seems to very similar. And i am not saying the buttons and game moves etc is named the same or the ranking etc.
But it seems so much like a successor to DMC. Afterall Hideki Kamiya couldn't continue DMC because he had issues with Capcom. And he had to reinvent stuff with PG collagues but gameplay is in a category that many including i would call "DMC".
A move of Bayonetta i saw recently is very similar to million stab.
Not to mention she has guns on her legs instead of in her hands.

Of course Hideki Kamiya couldn't recreate DMC that would be breaking copyright.

 

[Nelo_Vergil]

wait before this agruement even begins wouldn't spiritual successor imply that it makes references to the DMC series. You know like DmC does, because in any case DmC is more the spirtiual successor then bayonetta could ever be. Just because the game is made by the same person, and he only made 1 DMC game that being the original, doesn't make bayonetta the spirtiual successor.

 

[McdD]

wait before this agruement even begins wouldn't spiritual successor imply that it makes references to the DMC series. You know like DmC does, because in any case DmC is more the spirtiual successor then bayonetta could ever be. Just because the game is made by the same person, and he only made 1 DMC game that being the original, doesn't make bayonetta the spirtiual successor.

Well that's a good argument. But i didn't say that though. There are DMC references in Bayonetta.
But DmC is a reboot not a spiritual successor.
Spiritual successor often has with gameplay to do not the character or the story.

 

[wallenb]

Bayonetta doesnt just have references to DMC, it references Viewtiful Joe, and other Sega titles.

The only thing Bayonetta did that DMC1 did was making the best hack and slash game (gameplay wise) to ever come out. And i give credit to Kamiya for that.

 

[Nelo_Vergil]

Well that's a good argument. But i didn't say that though. There are DMC references in Bayonetta.
But DmC is a reboot not a spiritual successor.
Spiritual successor often has with gameplay to do not the character or the story.

Dmc may be a reboot but you have to remember its cannon to the original story. Since its not cannon that means DmC is it's own game, telling dantes story in its own way. The gameplay well its much closer to DMC then bayonetta.

DMC/=/DmC their seperate series' with their own story and different presentations. The characters from one might appear in the other but they aren't the same. If DmC was cannon then this arguement might as well have been thrown out the window.

 

[DragonMaster2010]

Not trying to be a jerk but when you said "old Dante seems non-exsistent in society" i moved my hand close to my face. As in a face palm. That rarely happens. And i don't mean anything bad by it. It's just that you forgot something.
In DMC 3 society barely existed. When Arkham met Vergil for first time i think at a library i was unsure if it was their first time meeting or if Arkham had met him before. Because there was no people around!
The society of DMC 3: Vergil, Dante, Arkham, Lady, Trish plus few other characters. So that's not a society lol.

Ah, but I never said the DMC3 universe. I meant the anime. In the anime, it's like no one questions why a man in a red long coat and white short hair, is jumping around with a sword on his back and two handguns on him.

As for Dante in DmC, he's a young rebooted version of DMC Dante. Who knows how DMC Dante was like at age of 16 (which is roughly DmC Dante's age). And sooner or later people must let go of anger or it will eat them inside.

DmC Dante is older then 16, but it seems chocolateghost already said that. Ask for the orphanage, They could mean back when Dante was eight or something.

As for be daring:

You know Dante is for real when shoots a pope in the head: 0:39 at video

Yeah, but did he do it because he was a human who had plans to be a demon and is half demon, or because he was the head of a church who worshiped a demon and had plans of world domination. I thought Dante never kills humans, but what if Sanctus was still human, wouldn't that break his vow of not killing humans. (I'm sure Sanctus was a demon anyway) Yes that's daring, but in some way, it's not because he was still doing his job of killing demons, not doing it just for the hell of it. Dante's a badass, but he's not daring to me.