The good and the bad

[McdD]

That didnt prove anything. We all know Nero has demonic blood. No one is doubting that. But his actual appearance didn't change. He didn't look like a demon. Therefore, looking like a demon is not a requirement of DT. Simply unleashing that power is.

Blood red eyes, and a demon appearing behind you isn´t demonic?

I explained that Nero is not 50% demon even. He said at one point that he didn´t care if he became a demon as long as he could save Kyrie.
Point being: Perhaps because of this his human body could not transform into a Demon like with Dante or a full fledge demon?

But the form he takes is very DEVILISH, hence his DT.
Red eyes like Nero have are a awesome trait to say "This guy is supernatural" in a demon way.

All i know is that it does not take much for a power boost transformation to be called Devil. One of the most noticeable change is the eyes after a transformation.
Red jacket or white hair is really not part of that.

If DmC Dante´s Trigger was only his eyes glowing red i would say "That´s a DT". Because red eyes are devil like.

 

[Railazel]

To tell you all the truth, DT in DMC 2 and beyond is actually just a demon form.

In DMC 1, DT was a demonic possession. Dante didn't have his own demon form.

As of now, we can't say whether Dante's new DT is a demonic "form" or "possession." So it would be best to not worry about it until we can confirm which it falls under.

 

[Tosto]

If you want to call a pear for apple then be my guest. All i am doing is pointing out that it´s wrong, that a pear is a pear and you know it based on the fruit´s appearance and taste.

Let me give you example of a whiner since you like to point at me and say i am one:
EXAMPLE
"DT sucks, it´s not a DT".

That is what a whiners comment would be, he or she says the DT sucks without elaborating on WHY he or she thinks because the whiners intention is not to explain him/herself in a logical manner. I have explained myself many times with many repeating illustrations to make you understand why i look at that power boost transformation that is called a "DT" is not a DT.

Looking past the thought of me being a whiner, i pointed out the best name for the trigger (a trigger = power boost in DMC serie ) would be Dante trigger. Is it stupid? Perhaps? But isn´t that what the trigger transformation is? A transformation that makes DmC Dante resemblance Dante from DMC aka original Dante?
And i REALLY can´t think of a better name for the DmC trigger (because it´s a trigger = power boost) than Dante trigger. I don´t think Zilla´s name for the DmC trigger is a good one, it´s far from what i would call great,but at least he knows that DmC trigger is not a Devil trigger. And that is why i replied to him in such positive way (not because of the name he made for DmC trigger).

Go back and read my posts in this thread, if i have not elaborated on why i say DmC trigger is not a Devil trigger, then feel free to call me a whiner But if i have elaborated to make my point clear, then please don´t call me that.


Devil triggers of DMC (Point #1: Proving the look of Devil trigger is what made them Devil):

POINT #2 Proving Nero´s Devil trigger has Devil to it, and why:

3:39 Nero´s takes on a Demonic form (Demonic red eye being most obvious)

And Nero is a descendent of Sparda according to Sanctus.
Nero needed Yamato to awaken his demonic form. He had demon blood in him that was very faint or sealed off because he wash´t a direct descendent of Sparda like Dante or Vergil.
That is why he told Dante "I need it/that" referring to Yamato.

Now i don´t know how Nero can be a Sparda descent but that´s what DMC 4 logic states so, and even if he wash´t Nero still takes on a demonic form by help of Yamato.

That didnt prove anything. We all know Nero has demonic blood. No one is doubting that. But his actual appearance didn't change. He didn't look like a demon. Therefore, looking like a demon is not a requirement of DT. Simply unleashing that power is.

I agree with TyIquan_DmC, your little showcase proved nothing. If according to you (McdD) red eyes alone is enough for Nero's "transformation" to be called a devil trigger, why can't white hair and a glowing red coat mean the same thing for DmC's Dante. You're backing yourself into a corner man. Is it so hard to see what you're saying is just purely based on your personal opinion on the matter and not on reasoning with the facts that we all know about DTs from DMC1-4.

I'm sorry man but you have no argument if this is what you're giving us as evidence.

 

[Railazel]

I agree with TyIquan_DmC, your little showcase proved nothing. If according to you (McdD) red eyes alone is enough for Nero's "transformation" to be called a devil trigger, why can't white hair and a glowing red coat mean the same thing for DmC's Dante. You're backing yourself into a corner man. Is it so hard to see what you're saying is just purely based on your personal opinion on the matter and not on reasoning with the facts that we all know about DTs from DMC1-4.

I'm sorry man but you have no argument if this is what you're giving us as evidence.

Believe it or not, McdD is more closer to the truth.

DT is really just a name for a mechanic. If you want to give it a definition, then DMC 1 had already determined it to be a demonic possession. So really, Nero's DT is close to a real DT since he was possessed, but it requires him to take the form of the demon possessing him. DMC 3-4 Dante and DMC 3 Vergil's DTs are just transformations, not real DTs.

 

[TyIquan_DmC]

But McdD is saying you MUST look like a demon for it to be considered DT. That's false, and that's what I'm arguing against.

He's not arguing for possession or any of that. Merely for appearance.

 

[McdD]

I am not backing myself into a corner. Nero´s DT seems like he´s being possessed more than he´s the one in charge with his own demon form.
But Nero is obviously conscious enough to say "Even if i have to become a demon so be it".

Eyes is a important change when it comes to transformation. And Nero´s DT has that.
Just eyes alone does not make a DT impressive, but it´s certainly a big part of the transformation.

Even if Nero hash´t taken a full demonic form himself he has a demon behind him.

You know why white hair and red jacket is not demonic? Because it´s not.
You won´t find DMC or DmC demons having these things as part of their demon form.

I don´t know why Nero has a demon in background, and not taking the form of one, but there must be a reason for it. And considering the point of a Devil trigger is something demonic, Nero´s DT is a DT.

Nero´s DT seems like Naruto Susano (a eye technique):
http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2009/355/3/2/in_the_clutches_of_susano__o_by_itachi_san314.jpg

But more importantly it looks like Bleach Captain´s bankai (Komamura):

 

[mrrandomlulz]

I am not backing myself into a corner. Nero´s DT seems like he´s being possessed more than he´s the one in charge with his own demon form.
But Nero is obviously conscious enough to say "Even if i have to become a demon so be it".

Eyes is a important change when it comes to transformation. And Nero´s DT has that.
Just eyes alone does not make a DT impressive, but it´s certainly a big part of the transformation.

Even if Nero hash´t taken a full demonic form himself he has a demon behind him.

You know why white hair and red jacket is not demonic? Because it´s not.
You won´t find DMC or DmC demons having these things as part of their demon form.

I don´t know why Nero has a demon in background, and not taking the form of one, but there must be a reason for it. And considering the point of a Devil trigger is something demonic, Nero´s DT is a DT.

Nero´s DT seems like Naruto Susano (a eye technique):
http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2009/355/3/2/in_the_clutches_of_susano__o_by_itachi_san314.jpg

But more importantly it looks like Bleach Captain´s bankai (Komamura):

I don't speak Naruto.

English please

 

[McdD]

I don't speak Naruto.

English please

Just look at the pictures

 

[darkdeamon92/dmc3/]

I think he cant transform into the demon in his background is because its not his DT to begin with its vergil's....

 

[McdD]

I think he cant transform into the demon in his background is because its not his DT to begin with its vergil's....

That must be the only logical explanation. Though the person who made the DT could been a Bleach fan

 

[darkdeamon92/dmc3/]

That must be the only logical explanation. Though the person who made the DT could been a Bleach fan

it may be.....

 

[Tiran]

Or he's possessed by Vergil's disembodied spirit which explains why Yamato was drawn to him... And why he keeps hearing a voice inside of his head crying out for more power. He said from that day (the day his arm changed) he accepted the voice in his head in return for the power to protect Kyrie.

 

[788Masri]

i still stand by my theory that hes the son of Vergil. so the reason that he has Vergils DT is because Vergils blood runs through him. explains why dante let him keep yamato as it is his by right of inheritence.

 

[Tiran]

i still stand by my theory that hes the son of Vergil. so the reason that he has Vergils DT is because Vergils blood runs through him. explains why dante let him keep yamato as it is his by right of inheritence.

Why do Dante and Vergil not have their fathers form as devil triggers? In fact they are identical twins and even have unique demon forms from one another.

 

[788Masri]

aah you see in DMC 1 dantes did look remarkably like Sparda. and not to mention that the idea was his power was split between the two. purple to red and blue. furhter more i think a DT reflects the users inner Demon and changes with their personality. only reason why Dantes kept changing was because as he matured his DT changed with him. nero is still only like 17-21 so his DT is immature and at a base level. his inner desire was for more power just like Vergils was at his age. so his DT looked like Vergils but didnt fully manifest as he is only a qauter demon/ he couldnt control it as well

 

[McdD]

aah you see in DMC 1 dantes did look remarkably like Sparda. and not to mention that the idea was his power was split between the two. purple to red and blue. furhter more i think a DT reflects the users inner Demon and changes with their personality. only reason why Dantes kept changing was because as he matured his DT changed with him. nero is still only like 17-21 so his DT is immature and at a base level. his inner desire was for more power just like Vergils was at his age. so his DT looked like Vergils but didnt fully manifest as he is only a qauter demon/ he couldnt control it as well

Nero's DT is not immature. A immature DT would be just neon red eyes with a aura covering you to empasize power increase, just like Dante did in Dante's awakening before he unleashed DT after Vergil fight.


Want to let ya know we are going off topic, so i suggest we should stop discussing Nero and his DT, and who he is etc

just saying

 

[788Masri]

Nero's DT is not immature. A immature DT would be just neon red eyes with a aura covering you to empasize power increase, just like Dante did in Dante's awakening before he unleashed DT after Vergil fight.
Want to let ya know we are going off topic, so i suggest we should stop discussing Nero and his DT, and who he is etc
just saying

nah i disagree i think his is stuck between Dante when he had the red eyes and aura and a full DT.

anyhow i think i made my list:

Good:

• gameplay looks smooth despite it being 30fps
• weapon mechanics are interesting and creative
• Dante seems more relatable
• story seems more engaging
• universe seems more interesting
• dialogue seems pretty decent
• no DLC planned

Bad:

• not out yet
• so far it seemed the DT may just be a wink to the fans hopefully im wrong
• cant tell if vergils in it
• not out yet
• new dante immature (but still room for growth so this isnt a big one)
• NOT OUT YET!!!!

 

[McdD]

I've made a thread to discuss Nero's Devil trigger in DMC 4. Meet me there

 

[wallenb]

Good:
-The combat looks more like DMC3 than DMC4's clutter **** of controls
-Haven't seen any screen tears or frame drops
-Dante is actually funny
-Boss battles (the one i've seen) has multiple ways of handling them.
-All the weapons that i've seen have some kind of combo system and their own unique special abilities
-While traversing through the levels, there are multiple ways around Limbo or avoiding being crushed by the world around you
-Enemies do not require specific weapons to kill them, but can be killed faster with the appropriate weapon
-Levels look beautiful and vibrant
-New abilities like air dodge and Demon counter and Angel dodge look very cool
-The cut scenes are all done with in game graphics and look just as good as CGI
-No plans for DLC (not yet anyways)

Bad:
-Not out yet (been said before)
-Style ranking system seems a little too easy to maintain
-I would prefer a non mission based game. To me it really slows down the pace. But in HS, it was done well with Nariko ranting directly into the camera. Which was cool to me.
-Jump canceling. To me it seems out of place, and it was kinda squeezed in to make it more hard core. Although i do like enemy step though
-I don't like the D-pad for anything in combat. DMC4 was gumbo soup of dmc3 with little thought on how to make style changing work. I would of prefered a custom setup.
-No stylized 5 minute kung fu action sequences (well not yet anyways)
-No taunts
-DT. It's not too bad i guess. The Capcom-Unity playthrough made it look fun, but i can see it getting repetitive after a couple of hours of play. Like NG3 and its one Ninpo attack.
-January 15th seems really far away

 

[V's patron]

I like the idea of Malice and feels its more cooler/threathening than fighting some crochetey old guy who doesnt want to die.

i'm mixed on the half-angel bit.