The Devil Breaker might Break Nero's combat

[TWOxACROSS]

Nope. Not this time. People **** on DmC, and it's been made readily apparent that it passed muster for it to not only be Itsuno's favorite, but is full of a lot of things that he either loved or had an active hand in influencing. People railed against it for years and some still do over the stupidest, most asinine conspiratorial garbage. If someone has a problem with something in DMC5, voice it like an adult, or sew your own mouth shut. These people don't deserve the crap that was piled on them, not least of all now that you're getting the game you wanted for how many years.

 

[Innsmouth]

People *** on DmC, and I'm happy they did, because otherwise we would had have DmC2. I perfectly remember Itsuno himself said, he's glad it haven't sold so well, so original series wasn't written off. Also talking about someone's concern for gameplay mechanics isn't called "not voicing it like adult". Claiming everyone should shut up and not ask a question on the other hand is extermely childish and immature.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

People *** on DmC, and I'm happy they did, because otherwise we would had have DmC2. I perfectly remember Itsuno himself said, he's glad it haven't sold so well, so original series wasn't written off.

Goooonna need a source on that. Especially considering Itsuno just mentioned in the GI interview that DmC is probably his favorite installment in the franchise.

Also talking about someone's concern for gameplay mechanics isn't called "not voicing it like adult". Claiming everyone should shut up and not ask a question on the other hand is extermely childish and immature.

God dude, why are you like this? Obviously, if you voice your concerns politely, there's no problem, more power to you, go for it - I literally said that. Be taken seriously, express yourself with aplomb even, just don't be a dickhead.

Otherwise, I'm talking about the people who harassed a dev team for years and allowed the hostile, vitriolic environment to fester. If you can't voice your concerns like an adult, just shut up and let the grown-ups do their thing and have meaningful conversations.

Please, go over my words more thoroughly before responding, you are very often misinterpreting or misrepresenting my points.

 

[DragonMaster2010]

Right. Plus, after the garbage they dealt with when DmC was being made, people goddamn owe it to Capcom and Itsuno to be on their best behavior. We're getting DMC5, don't be a schmuck.

I don't regret having DMC5 but if I don't see something I don't like in it then I gotta call it out.

 

[DragonMaster2010]

People *** on DmC, and I'm happy they did, because otherwise we would had have DmC2.

Id rather have that to be honest.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

I don't regret having DMC5 but if I don't see something I don't like in it then I gotta call it out.

Of course, if you have a concern, voice it. Just don't be a frothing ****gibbon about it, yeah? Like, I'm iffy on the lack of cycling through Devil Breakers, but I'm not gonna jump onto Itsuno's twitter and tell him he doesn't know how to make a good game and he's a failure for designing DMC5 that way. I'm not going to harass Matt Walker and tell him to kill himself. I'm not going to send them pictures of gay pornstars with the DMC5 logo 'shopped over their junk. I'm not going to go to every single video or thread about DMC5 to barf vitriol all over the discussion so that no one has a good time.

I'm not gonna do those things, because I'm not a ****gibbon.
Don't be a ****gibbon, everyone! New rule~

EDIT: Ah cool, the censor still works on that word

 

[Innsmouth]

Goooonna need a source on that. Especially considering Itsuno just mentioned in the GI interview that DmC is probably his favorite installment in the franchise.

Literally first page of google search. https://www.gamespot.com/articles/devil-may-crys-future-isnt-tied-to-how-well-devil-/1100-6428432/
>I think I'm happy with the performance of the game. If it had been a world changing hit, it might have changed the course of the series by becoming the new DMC
Than he talks that he also happy that it didn't completely flop, so there is that.

Otherwise, I'm talking about the people who harassed a dev team for years and allowed the hostile, vitriolic environment to fester. If you can't voice your concerns like an adult, just shut up and let the grown-ups do their thing and have meaningful conversations..

this. And at this I close my point. You acting like toxic jerk all the time and expect everyone to be happy with it. Well I'm coming here to talk with people who acting like adults as well, which you don't. So either act like decent human being and talk like one, or keep your toxic behaviour and don't bother talking to me, because I gonna reply to your toxicity correspondingly.

Id rather have that to be honest.

I understand that, but because of divide in fanbase, they can only role with one route. At least they are not completely ignore people who liked DmC and stated taking some inspiration from it.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

Literally first page of google search. https://www.gamespot.com/articles/devil-may-crys-future-isnt-tied-to-how-well-devil-/1100-6428432/
>I think I'm happy with the performance of the game. If it had been a world changing hit, it might have changed the course of the series by becoming the new DMC
Than he talks that he also happy that it didn't completely flop, so there is that.

You're kinda misrepresenting his words, but whatever.

this. And at this I close my point. You acting like toxic jerk all the time and expect everyone to be happy with it. Well I'm coming here to talk with people who acting like adults as well, which you don't. So either act like decent human being and talk like one, or keep your toxic behaviour and don't bother talking to me, because I gonna reply to your toxicity correspondingly.

So...you're saying that if I respond to toxicity with toxicity, you're going to respond to my toxicity with toxicity...? Me calling out toxic behavior that doesn't help proper discourse is me being a toxic jerk, and so you're going to act like a toxic jerk to me, because I would dare call out garbage that does nothing to further the discussion. But who watches the Watchmen, Innsmouth!? The Watchwatchmen? No...the Overwatchmen? Overwatchmen.

Seriously man, if you hate toxicity as much as I do, why are you getting your whitey tighties in a bundle about how I treat that toxicity? I can't believe you're telling me to be nice to people who harassed game developers for like three years, why do they deserve any kind of respect? Why do they deserve any kind of platform to spew their toxicity that makes our entire community look bad?

 

[Innsmouth]

So...you're saying that if I respond to toxicity with toxicity, you're going to respond to my toxicity with toxicity...? Me calling out toxic behavior that doesn't help proper discourse is me being a toxic jerk, and so you're going to act like a toxic jerk to me, because I would dare call out garbage that does nothing to further the discussion. But who watches the Watchmen, Innsmouth!? The Watchwatchmen? No...the Overwatchmen? Overwatchmen.

Seriously man, if you hate toxicity as much as I do, why are you getting your whitey tighties in a bundle about how I treat that toxicity? I can't believe you're telling me to be nice to people who harassed game developers for like three years, why do they deserve any kind of respect? Why do they deserve any kind of platform to spew their toxicity that makes our entire community look bad?

They knew backlash gonna happen, they literally admitted it, so if their PR failed that's on them. But that's not what I'm talking about it.

Your quotes like
"don't be a schmuck", "turn into gigantic babies" and "sew your own mouth shut" not helping whatsoever. IF you want to bring some points to it in decent and polite manner, instead of throwing insults, especially since I doubt anyone will threaten Itsuno and his Team over breakable weapons. This helps discussion more than your so called "calling out trolls". I dunno where you live, but if you lived in my home country and you spoke in such manner to the crowd of people, you would probably be literally gathering your teeth across the street. And before you start assuming I somehow trying to intimidate you, I don't, since I'm against any kind of physical violence.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

They knew backlash gonna happen, they literally admitted it, so if their PR failed that's on them. But that's not what I'm talking about it.

Knowing people will react to a starkly different concept is obvious, but people acting the way they did is beyond the pale.

Your quotes like
"don't be a schmuck", "turn into gigantic babies" and "sew your own mouth shut" not helping whatsoever. IF you want to bring some points to it in decent and polite manner, instead of throwing insults, especially since I doubt anyone will threaten Itsuno and his Team over breakable weapons.

Dude, people were screaming "**** CAPCOM" because Dante's hair wasn't white. That literally happened. People actually wrote off an entire game, an entire franchise, an entire company because they didn't like that simple change, completely bereft of any context, and the vitriol only got worse from there. On Day One.

This helps discussion more than your so called "calling out trolls". I dunno where you live, but if you lived in my home country and you spoke in such manner to the crowd of people, you would probably be literally gathering your teeth across the street. And before you start assuming I somehow trying to intimidate you, I don't, since I'm against any kind of physical violence.

Dude what is the matter with you? How do you completely gloss over all the parts where I say "let's be respectable about voicing our concerns regarding the game," and latch hard onto the thought of me telling people acting like assholes to not act like assholes? I tried talking about this stuff amenably for years, and it never gets anywhere because a piece of **** will be a piece of **** no matter what, because there are scant few repercussions to acting like a piece of **** online. I'm sick and tired of acting amenably to people who don't have the sense to raise the concerns over something they like in a way that is actually conducive to being taken seriously. **** those ****gibbons. You should hate them too for holding the discourse back, instead of busting my apple bag about being mean to ****gibbons.

Man, that's a fun word.

 

[DragonMaster2010]

@TWOxACROSS @Innsmouth

Jeez and I thought Dante and Vergil had an intense rivalry. You two have been at each other's throats since DMC5 dropped its first trailer.

 

[Innsmouth]

Dude what is the matter with you? How do you completely gloss over all the parts where I say "let's be respectable about voicing our concerns regarding the game," and latch hard onto the thought of me telling people acting like assholes to not act like assholes? I tried talking about this stuff amenably for years, and it never gets anywhere because a piece of **** will be a piece of **** no matter what, because there are scant few repercussions to acting like a piece of **** online. I'm sick and tired of acting amenably to people who don't have the sense to raise the concerns over something they like in a way that is actually conducive to being taken seriously. **** those ****gibbons. You should hate them too for holding the discourse back, instead of busting my apple bag about being mean to ****gibbons.

Man, that's a fun word.

It was 4 freaking years ago. Just let it go, I think we all have enough of this. Also we're not at redneck burnyard so maybe you should finally stop cussing like a sailor.
> "telling people acting like assholes to not act like assholes?" Seriously? I don't remember anyone asked you to act like moral compass. If it irritates you to the point that you start cussing and calling people names, maybe you should just not participate in their discussion and let them act immature, since you won't convince them anyway. But considering that you thowing a fit right now, on the forum, where people simply talking to each other, I see no reason to act like person from cilivised age instead of cussing and throwing insults. And sorry for obvious, but if you tell somebody "shut up, while adults talking", it's hard to tell your "let's be respectable about voicing our concerns regarding the game," serious, if at all. I mean how hard is it for you, to behave like normal person? People here trying to hype upcoming release, there is no need for this sort of behaviour right now. Let's stop it now. If you want to be better than them, how about show an example and stop it. Right now.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

Oh Innsmouth, I just can't quit you.

It was 4 freaking years ago. Just let it go, I think we all have enough of this.

It was four years ago, and yet people still feel the compulsion to **** on DmC every chance they get, still spreading the dumbest lies, and with DMC5's announcement, it only reignited that junk.

Also we're not at redneck burnyard so maybe you should finally stop cussing like a sailor.

So where are we? A barnyard or on a navy vessel? Or did I come from the barnyard, and now I swear on a boat. I'm quite the Renaissance Man, in that case.

> "telling people acting like assholes to not act like assholes?" Seriously? I don't remember anyone asked you to act like moral compass.

Something something hero we need, something something hero we deserve.

If it irritates you to the point that you start cussing and calling people names, maybe you should just not participate in their discussion and let them act immature, since you won't convince them anyway. But considering that you thowing a fit right now, on the forum, where people simply talking to each other, I see no reason to act like person from cilivised age instead of cussing and throwing insults.

It's kind of adorable that you think I'm sitting behind a computer frothing at the mouth with rage because I use some no-no words. It's curious how you keep trying to bring the (in)civility right back on me as if I'm the problem, and not the people in this grandiloquent fandom that saw something they didn't like, and instead of ignoring it, went on a three year bender of harassment, that literally, I remind, started because Dante's hair wasn't the right color. That should have been a warning sign, because it was all downhill from there.

And sorry for obvious, but if you tell somebody "shut up, while adults talking", it's hard to tell your "let's be respectable about voicing our concerns regarding the game," serious, if at all. I mean how hard is it for you, to behave like normal person? People here trying to hype upcoming release, there is no need for this sort of behaviour right now. Let's stop it now. If you want to be better than them, how about show an example and stop it. Right now.

Hahaha, it's really not hard at all. Most well-adjusted people would balk at some ****gibbon bringing down the conversation. Ironically, you're trying to do the same to me, but...y'know, failing. Have I criticized the series in the past? Yeah, because nothing is above reproach, but the only thing I've ever went hard (figuratively speaking) in on is ****gibbons vomiting on the discourse. And c'mon man, don't act like you haven't seen the other 99% of my posts here, where I'm not engaging with your shenanigans, has been nothing but cautious hype and earnest excitement. You consistently misrepresent the things I say if they rub you the wrong way, and if they don't, stop rubbing them on yourself. It can't be healthy.

And for the love of God I hope you can tell I'm being pretty facetious, and have been for like...most of my time here. Discussion is fun, but don't for a second mistake this for anything but a way to kill some time shooting the breeze about a series I like.

 

[Innsmouth]

It was four years ago, and yet people still feel the compulsion to **** on DmC every chance they get, still spreading the dumbest lies, and with DMC5's announcement, it only reignited that junk.

Well considering any sort of criticism for DmC is "****ting on it".

It's kind of adorable that you think I'm sitting behind a computer frothing at the mouth with rage because I use some no-no words. It's curious how you keep trying to bring the (in)civility right back on me as if I'm the problem, ..

Yep. That is you are. Because out of all people both who preferred DmC or DMC, you are so far the only person right now swearing on every corner and starting a fuss.

And c'mon man, don't act like you haven't seen the other 99% of my posts here, where I'm not engaging with your shenanigans, has been nothing but cautious hype and earnest excitement. You consistently misrepresent the things I say if they rub you the wrong way, and if they don't, stop rubbing them on yourself. It can't be healthy..

I didn't. The only thing I see from you is attempt at snarky remarks and attempts to be witty on 90% of threads, while adding literally nothing to discussion. So far you spend half of a thread whining about somehting happened four years ago and you still can't get a hold of yourself ever since.

And for the love of God I hope you can tell I'm being pretty facetious, and have been for like...most of my time here. Discussion is fun, but don't for a second mistake this for anything but a way to kill some time shooting the breeze about a series I like.

You mean you attempt to be facetious, while mostly sounding like you are throwing temper tantrum.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

Imagine arguing against someone about being nice to the developers making fun video games for you.

 

[Dominus]

Well kind of sucks this thread got derailed, but whatever I guess. From the interviews and such the system sounds like it's going to stay the same, but who knows I guess. I want to see some d-pad functionality for Nero, and they should at least let us shuffle the order of the devil breakers, otherwise you are suspect to the order you pick them up. And shuffle or change the order outside of the pause menu...

DMC has always been about having most options at your disposal. I think the vram of PS2 really prevented style switching (which was mentioned in some interview), so it made sense to have style switching in DMC4 because that wasn't this limitation that prevented this. Now we have even more vram, etc, and Nero is limited with the current breaker system because of design decisions.... I just hope Itsuno changes his mind or has something else up his sleeve in regards to Nero, because I might have to build a new PC to get the mod where I can switch breakers on the fly lol....

Also 6 months before release I doubt major changes will be made to the systems at hand, because they need to fix bugs and stuff for release...

 

[TWOxACROSS]

DMC has always been about having most options at your disposal. I think the vram of PS2 really prevented style switching (which was mentioned in some interview), so it made sense to have style switching in DMC4 because that wasn't this limitation that prevented this. Now we have even more vram, etc, and Nero is limited with the current breaker system because of design decisions.... I just hope Itsuno changes his mind or has something else up his sleeve in regards to Nero, because I might have to build a new PC to get the mod where I can switch breakers on the fly lol....

That's the curious thing for me, too. For a series that gives us such a bevy of options, this randomized concept for the Breaker arsenal is a real outlier. It's even stranger when you see that (so far) the d-pad isn't being used for something it could totally be used for.

 

[Stylish Nero]

Well kind of sucks this thread got derailed, but whatever I guess. From the interviews and such the system sounds like it's going to stay the same, but who knows I guess. I want to see some d-pad functionality for Nero, and they should at least let us shuffle the order of the devil breakers, otherwise you are suspect to the order you pick them up. And shuffle or change the order outside of the pause menu...

DMC has always been about having most options at your disposal. I think the vram of PS2 really prevented style switching (which was mentioned in some interview), so it made sense to have style switching in DMC4 because that wasn't this limitation that prevented this. Now we have even more vram, etc, and Nero is limited with the current breaker system because of design decisions.... I just hope Itsuno changes his mind or has something else up his sleeve in regards to Nero, because I might have to build a new PC to get the mod where I can switch breakers on the fly lol....

Also 6 months before release I doubt major changes will be made to the systems at hand, because they need to fix bugs and stuff for release...

I do recall seeing in the pause menu the Devil Breakers being laid out and numbered in order of release so maybe we can change the order there. It would make things a bit better but honestly still hate it. I wouldn't mind cycling via the D-pad it would still work with the current UI for the DBs since they cycle up and down.

Some people speculate and I have heard word is that Nero's might have multiple different bullets he can load into Blue Rose so if that is the case perhaps the D-pad is being used for that. Don't know.

That's the curious thing for me, too. For a series that gives us such a bevy of options, this randomized concept for the Breaker arsenal is a real outlier. It's even stranger when you see that (so far) the d-pad isn't being used for something it could totally be used for.

Itsuno probably thought it was a good idea same way Kamiya thought it was a good idea to have instant kill QTEs that pop out of nowhere....or when Nintendo decided to make a Star Fox game that was motion controlled or most of Nintendo's career (all of SEGA's career)....or when Team Ninja decided to make a Ninja Gaiden game where Ryu only had 1 weapon.....or Kojima and his 1 hour long unskippable cutscenes.

I probably sound like Goldsickle for saying this but its probably Japanese developers being well Japanese and doing something they think is out of the box and inventive even if sometimes its just plain stupid.

However the way he talks about it he seems really confident in this system. An ammo and pick up system in a Hack and Slash game is very bizarre but even in genres where that system is the norm (like shooters) you get to choose which ammo/weapon you can use up.

Hopefully if there is universal backlash or criticism against this system perhaps Itsuno will probably have to swallow his pride and concede to what the market want or make a compromise that makes both sides happy. You're trying to sell a product not make a game that you and a few friends might find fun.

 

[TWOxACROSS]

Right. The way Itsuno describes it as the "Nero's arm breaks and he goes 'Aw crap!' and then shoves his arm down into the holster to pull out a new one" is totally well and good. That's like, the most interesting thing about the entire concept, that it's a special ability with a finite element to it, which not only creates a better balance between how and when you use it, but also those clutch moments. Yet, the idea that we can't decide which arm we'd like to use, either whenever or when one breaks, seems to be an aside from the excitement of them breaking.

However, we'll really have to wait and see how it all plays out in the end, because for now, in the demo people seemed to get by just fine, and we still don't have a greater understanding of what Itsuno means about creating loadouts for Breakers, so it might be entirely possible to (as I mentioned in another thread) create an arsenal of a single Breaker, if you don't mind the lack of variety and really like a specific one.

 

[Stylish Nero]

Well I can see how having a limited system like this will allow newer or less skilled players to get good at the game and master the basics of attacking, canceling, dodging, using Blue Rose/firearms, movement, Jump Canceling, aerial maneuverability, lock-on switching, input buffering, timing (even Exceed timing) and more rather always than rely on the really versatile (relatively easy to use) and basically Over-Powered DB. Nero was designed to get newcomers into the game (like his intent with DMC4).

I guess it can work out and technically on the fly DB switching could be an upgrade (this would let the player get used to each Devil Breaker individually before being allowed to switch them around freely and have a better grasp of each arm's worth and functionality). Without these limitations most players would take each DB for granted and not really try to get good with each aspect of the combat. The only issue really is that with this realistic take on combat it would be hard to animate Nero literally changing arms mid combo and not disrupt the flow of combat (this isn't like Devil Arms where they just pop out of nowhere or like DmC where Rebellion apparently transforms into other weapons) but it could be possible. I wonder if they'll try to add a strong sense of realism to Dante's animations and moveset too. That would be tough to do compared to Nero especially with that motorcycle.......hmmmmmmmmm...