Stop telling people what to do/believe

[Demi-fiend]

Is that a forum? Or some magical mystic creature I'm not yet aware of ? o.o

Yep. You're more than welcome to take a look... just tread carefully. And when I say "forum," what I really mean is "Chernobyl". :|

The sad part is seeing the fandom we love suffer because people are unwilling to cope with change, and throw so much of their emotions into spoiling the good that could come of the present situation.

omg, this. Have you seen the ninja turtles fanbase??

 

[Alittleacorn]

Yep. You're more than welcome to take a look... just tread carefully. And when I say "forum," what I really mean is "Chernobyl". :|

....Chernobyl *dictionaries*

And I didn't know the Ninja Turtle fanbase was in a tangle [I haven't been into it since I was little]. What's going on over there?

Edit: A nuclear-plant? Wait that's the one that had the accident in 1986 o.o

 

[SpawnShooter]

Granted PhantomBabies is a bit quiet, but I've always had a very pleasant experience when going there and chatting to the members. There's some very knowledgeable/respectable players there.

 

[Lionheart]

People have freedom of speech to voice opinions but when they all turn into childish idiots who fill the forums with insults being traded backwards and forwards there is no point to it all. Just a huge waste of time that puts people off being here, sharing opinions is all well and good. Telling people you want them to go burn in a fire or jump off a cliff for disagreeing with you is not really a conversation piece people should be 'allowed' to continue to push.

Bottom line is the staff are only here moderating comments because there are a lot of disrespectful and angry people in the world who like nothing more than to insult others and put them down on a daily basis. These people don't have 'conversations' they just go around in circles insulting people, their attitude, their opinions, their families and anything else they can to get a 'rise' out of others. Makes forums look unappealing, disrespectful and unprofessional and then they all eventually die out because its just turned into a troll playground.



Bravo and finally some wise words on these forums.

I don't disagree with you. As you should be able to see, I've posted more messages after that, agreeing that insulting everyone constantly is not going to help the forums. It's just the isolated cases of two or three people having a rude argument in a thread out of the many, many people there that makes me think it's not useful locking threads that haven't spiraled out of control. And yet, I keep seeing threads get locked when there's still a normal discussion going on about the topic. That I disagree with.

 

[Demi-fiend]

....Chernobyl *dictionaries*

And I didn't know the Ninja Turtle fanbase was in a tangle [I haven't been into it since I was little]. What's going on over there?

I haven't looked, but from what I've heard from internet journalists, moviebob, and youtube vid posters is that people always had a problem with the 2003 and "Red Sky" (last three seasons of the old ninja turtles) versions of TMNT due to the fact that it's "too grim n' gritty hurr hurr".

They say this despite the fact that the original Mirage Comics version of the turtles had them all in red headbands (awesome) and killed on a regular basis (they even killed the Shredder in the first issue). They were all in black n' white as well to give the comic a neo-noir feel (and to save costs, obviously).

However, fans of the first kiddie-friendly series choose to ignore this, and the original comics, as well.

It reminds me of the rather gritty origins of DMC and it's prototype versions of RE4 using the RE3 engine (which was also a rather gritty game).

However, like the TMNT, fans want to focus on the pizza-scarfing, party-dudery guy in DMC3 and flashy confetti-carnival dancing guy in DMC4, when the original DMC1 Dante wouldn't have acted like either.

Yes, DMC1 Dante played instruments, but he probably had more of a classic rock/"classic metal" feel, and not the screeching scream-metal portrayed in DMC3.

It's as if both fanbases want their heroes kid-friendly and watered-down.

DMC1 Dante does not approve. :/

It's almost scary to see how similar the two fanbases are.

And by the way, fans of DMC1 protested when they heard about DMC3 Dante... some of them even still complain about him to this day.

Think about it.

A nuclear-plant? Wait that's the one that had the accident in 1986 o.o

That's pretty much what I meant. A total meltdown of trolling and almost nothing left afterwards.

Yo, if your going to discuss DmC controversy, how about being honest about it?

Not if your idea of "being honest" means twisting your hypothesis to suit your conclusions. And Dark Drakan just warned all of us to not start any more battles. While your wording is "carefully" (as careful as a sledgehammer, in your case) constructed to not start any immediate flame wars, the tone of your post is obviously meant to be a challenging one.

I don't how much the chip on your shoulder weighs, but I suggest you tread softly. Dark Drakan is watching us very closely, and the last thing I want is another closed thread because you decided to glove-slap people into "flame duels".

 

[Lionheart]

Yo, if ... isn't it.

Yes, that's exactly what ****es pro-DMC people off. I personally feel that DmC is not a Devil May Cry game, and therefore shouldn't be called one.

Like you said, DMC was about the full package to me. Graphics are not important in hack and slash games. But I can't say DmC looks great, either. I think it looks pretty horrid at times.

When a game series' plot is not the same, when the characters are so different from before, and even the overall style of things is not much like the old DMCs, I will not call it DMC. I will call it a spin-off, but if it's a spin-off, it needs a name that suggests it's a spin-off (not DmC: Devil May Cry, because to me that implies it's just Devil May Cry).
I have never thought replacing DMC with DmC was justified, because it isn't. It didn't even really have an ending, so how can you restart something that isn't finished yet? The plotholes could be fixed if they wanted them to be fixed, so there's no excuse for it other than: ''we just got bored with DMC'', which... isn't an excuse.

 

[Demi-fiend]

I personally feel that DmC is not a Devil May Cry game, and therefore shouldn't be called one.

See, this is what I meant by a "challenging" tone of voice. Poking and prodding with a sharp stick until you finally get a reaction.

Maybe Dark Drakan was right about this thread during his first analysis.

 

[SpawnShooter]

See, this is what I meant by a "challenging" tone of voice. Poking and prodding with a sharp stick until you finally get a reaction.

Maybe Dark Drakan was right about this thread during his first analysis.

There was nothing provocative about that statement, he simply stated his opinion, one I also agree with.

If anything you're the one coming off as riling things up.

 

[Lionheart]

See, this is what I meant by a "challenging" tone of voice. Poking and prodding with a sharp stick until you finally get a reaction.

Maybe Dark Drakan was right about this thread during his first analysis.

Excuse me, but I'm not responsible for you taking offense to a normal statement that doesn't challenge anyone. I'm just stating my views, and if you disagree, good for you, but that's not my problem. Like Stephen Fry said: ''You're offended by that? So ****ing what?''

Thanks, SpawnShooter. This was one of the examples why threads start spiraling out of control, for no good reason.

 

[Demi-fiend]

If anything you're the one coming off as riling things up.

A baseless accusation. It doesn't surprise me that you fit right in with phantombabies.

Excuse me, but I'm not responsible for you taking offense to a normal statement that doesn't challenge anyone. I'm just stating my views, and if you disagree, good for you, but that's not my problem. Like Stephen Fry said: ''You're offended by that? So ******* what?''

Thanks, SpawnShooter. This was one of the examples why threads start spiraling out of control, for no good reason.

Like I said, this is just a thread made to get a reaction out of people. And this latest post just proves that.

 

[SpawnShooter]

A baseless accusation. It doesn't surprise me that you fit right in with phantombabies.

See that was un-necessary don't you think?

Instead of just flaming why don't you, I don't know, discuss why you disagree?

 

[Demi-fiend]

I've already stated in my previous posts why I disagree with this whole thing. See, that's the thing about the Pro-DMC crowd; you keep bringing up the same points over and over again, thinking that it helps your cause.

Edit: All I did was say why I thought this thread was made to provoke. Then you just accuse me of provoking as well.

 

[Lionheart]

A baseless accusation. It doesn't surprise me that you fit right in with phantombabies.

Like I said, this is just a thread made to get a reaction out of people. And this latest post just proves that.

You have an odd way of thinking. As far as I can tell, we were having a normal discussion until you came along saying ''a baseless accusation'' without explaining why that is. Then you say this thread is made to 'get a reaction out of people'. Yes, because I so love ****ing people off on forums, destroying any chance I might be taken seriously ever again. Yes, that's very logical.

 

[SpawnShooter]

I've already stated in my previous posts why I disagree with this whole thing. See, that's the thing about the Pro-DMC crowd; you keep bringing up the same points over and over again, thinking that it helps your cause.

Edit: All I did was say why I thought this thread was made to provoke. Then you just accuse me of provoking as well.

I was simply stating how things appeared to me from a third party I'm sorry you took offense to that, it was not my intention.

But it's clear we are not going to be able to discuss anything so I will take my leave.

 

[Lionheart]

I've already stated in my previous posts why I disagree with this whole thing. See, that's the thing about the Pro-DMC crowd; you keep bringing up the same points over and over again, thinking that it helps your cause.

Edit: All I did was say why I thought this thread was made to provoke. Then you just accuse me of provoking as well.

Well, yes, saying you think the sole purpose of this thread is to provoke people is a pretty provoking comment in itself. Like I told Dark Drakan, I don't have the same opinion as I did when I started the thread. I stated that opinion in previous posts. I feel that it's definitely a bad thing if everybody starts insulting everyone.

Anyway, can we just agree to stop this pointless argument?

 

[Demi-fiend]

Yes, because I so love ******* people off on forums

I personally think that you do, despite your claims to the contrary. Even Dark Drakan thought so when he said this:

Telling people you want them to go burn in a fire or jump off a cliff for disagreeing with you is not really a conversation piece people should be 'allowed' to continue to push.

Now, you can hide your intentions by saying "we were just having a normal conversation until you came along," but we all know better. You were provoking from the start, and now you're trying to shift the blame to me.

Dark Drakan, I'm going to say this in the friendliest way possible:

I'm going to stop posting in this thread now. However, if you see that I'm somehow at fault, then I accept the consequences because I know you have enough experience (more than enough) to know what you're talking about.

However, like most people here, I actually do see myself in the right. However, unlike some people here, I am willing to admit the possibility that I could very well be wrong.

And thank you for trying to clamp down on this thread earlier. The effort was very much appreciated.

EDIT:

I didn't see these posts, so I apologize if you take offense to the posts I wrote just now.

Anyway, can we just agree to stop this pointless argument?

All right. We'll stop. I was under the impression that you still had the same opinion, even though you said you didn't afterwards.

I was simply stating how things appeared to me from a third party I'm sorry you took offense to that, it was not my intention.

Apology accepted. And I'm sorry about the phantombabies comment.

 

[SpawnShooter]

Apology accepted. And I'm sorry about the phantombabies comment.

Thank you and apology also accepted

 

[Lionheart]

I personally think that you do, despite your claims to the contrary. Even Dark Drakan thought so when he said this:

Sorry, but I don't believe he was literally referring to me. He was saying it in general, as a response to my prior feelings that people should be allowed to be abusive towards others. So it was focused toward the hypothetical people who would have an abusive debate.

Now, you can hide your intentions by saying "we were just having a normal conversation until you came along," but we all know better. You were provoking from the start, and now you're trying to shift the blame to me.

Unknown, I know you as a pretty relaxed guy on this forum. At least I thought I did. I hope you're just saying this because of some misunderstanding.

However, like most people here, I actually do see myself in the right. However, unlike some people here, I am willing to admit the possibility that I could very well be wrong.

Well, that's at least a good stance to take, I'll agree on that.

EDIT:

I didn't see these posts, so I apologize if you take offense to the posts I wrote just now.
All right. We'll stop. I was under the impression that you still had the same opinion, even though you said you didn't afterwards.

Oh, lol. Naah, no problem. My first post was probably written out of frustration a bit, too. I keep seeing threads get locked when there are still (a lot of) people willing to keep debating, so that's just my main point, I guess.

 

[MigsRZXAStylish]

I can tell you to do whatever I want to tell you to do. You don't have to listen to me and I don't have to listen to you. But it sure isn't an efficient way of coming to an understanding, so I reserve the right not to tell anyone what to do. XD

Honestly, though, I think a lot of people just want vindication because something isn't their extremely particular taste. It's okay to like different things for different reasons and admit those things are all good, so long as they have merit. People on both sides are guilty of forgetting that there are good things about the old and the new, and they aren't always the same.

The sad part is seeing the fandom we love suffer because people are unwilling to cope with change, and throw so much of their emotions into spoiling the good that could come of the present situation. Everyone is free to do that, and I welcome them to if they think it's a good idea, but I hope they won't ignore the consequences of such vitriol. This is the kind of stuff that can kill a franchise if it gets too out of hand.

Wise words to live by, especially the last part! Kudos to you! You inspire people to move forward!

 

[Demi-fiend]

Wise words to live by, especially the last part! Kudos to you! You inspire people to move forward!

"Does anyone know that you're my heeeeerrrrrooooo..... that you are the wind beneath my wings?"