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Thiiiis won't end well.

So far its been pretty tame.

a fair share of members have replied already and no arguments or flame wars have started.

It all comes down to which member is going to stroll into the topic, get offended and feel the need to challenge it, and insult or flame because of it.

Hopefully said member"s" whoever it be just avoids this.
 
It's not an issue about freedom of speech, the issue is how some people go with the "You don't agree with me, therefore you are wrong" and "My opinion is fact" line of thinking.

Also, you guys don't contribute anything by saying "this thread is gonna go bad!", you are just asking for to get that way.

I'm a sarcastic asshole. It is literally my job to make sarcastic comments
 
We all have the right to say what we want to, and so, we'll say it.
We don't have the right to say whatever crosses our minds, if this whatever becomes thoroughly insulting, thus violating another people's right not to be insulted. We have the right to express our opinion respectfully, and 'respectfully' includes not insulting other people. Other people, obviously, have the same duty (because everyone has the right not to be insulted, I'd say).

Not insulting people is necessary if we want to maintain a certain level of civility, that helps the conversation go on smoothly.
Example: if I came here and said something like "you're an idiot, are you so stupid that you don't see that mods are here to defend us from some retarded members who have nothing better to do with their lives that pi$$ing people off with their bull$hit?"... Well, this would be quite disrespectful to you (and those members I gratuitously insulted), don't you think? You'd have every right to feel hurt by my way of putting things. (Obviously, I do not mean anything of which I just said, it was an hypothetical example... :P )

Point is, being respectful is important because it should prevent annoying escalations of insulting sessions. That is what I mean when I say "Don't spread hate". I ask (not order, but suggest) people to act in a way that helps the discussion be a constructive one. When a topic degenerates in a flamewar the problem is, it spoils the fun of everyone who comes here to have a good discussion with other people, and that's why moderators are required. On the other hand, it's also true that it can happen that sometimes some people take a respectful exchange of opinions for a flamewar, and in this case they are wrong.

As always, if everyone managed to keep a level head, not mix opinions with facts, and not attack other people over their respectfully stated opinions, then there would be no need for mods. Since it's not always so, mods are here to prevent this forum becoming a battlefield: if this forum is still a rather peaceful haven for fans of this series it's also because mods have done their job well so far.

As for opinions like "DMC/DmC is complete bull$hit", those are not insulting other people directly, but, once again, they don't help the discussion to be a civilized one either. Some people may not be offended by an opinion stated as such, but some other people may find it at least somehow...how can I say? Annoying? Yeah.
What I mean is, if you come and say "DMC is bs" without even trying to discuss your claim, you're not directly insulting me, but at the same time your attitude doesn't help in putting up for a civilized discussion, but is more likely to get me all riled up and angry. But if you come and say "I don't like DMC because of x and y and z", then I'll be more willing to discuss those x and y and z, and a civilized discussion is more likely to take place. (Assuming that having a civilized discussion is the purpose of a forum)
If you think about it, it's the same as the title of this thread and your posts: if your only contributions to the discussion had been "Stop telling me what to do, 'cause I'm doing it anyway", then it wouldn't have helped to bring about a civilized discussion; but since you explained what you thought respectfully, then other people found it easier to answer you in an equally respectful way, and so on.

So, to sum up: we have the right to express our opinions, but we don't have the right to insult other people, and thus we should maintain a respectful tone when proposing or discussing our opinions. This helps the conversation to go on smoothly, for the fun of everyone.
The fact that "accidents" (people being disrespectful) do in fact happen is not a reason for saying that it is ok if they happen.


...Now, sorry if I'm being THE one who spoils the fun for everyone, but shouldn't this (very interesting) thread go in the General Discussion section?

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Good behaviour will inspire the same. Lyssec yo!
Thanks... :blush:
 
If we're all adults then we shouldn't need mods to come in and lock threads/ban people. True. But if we all acted like adults then people wouldn't be throwing hissy fits in threads and insulting one another in threads either. Mods exists because this is the Internet and there are always going to be people who act like children. And if people are going to act like children, then why not treat them/ punish them as such? True, I would prefer if we didn't need mods. I'm sure the mods here would prefer if we didn't need them to come into threads and break up arguments. But we do need them. So that's why they do it. Because without them, forums would constantly dissolve into whining and complaining and mudslinging.
 
Hey, guys. I don't visit this site that often anymore, but there's some things I have to get off my chest.

Stop telling people to stop spreading hate or whatever. We all have freedom of speech, and if you don't want to listen to what somebody has to say, then don't read it and/or don't reply. There's no need to have moderators come in. I'd almost say it's not necessary to have moderators. We take responsibility for our comments, and we don't lock a thread because ''oooh, it's getting hairy''. And so what if it is? Just accept that being human includes the nasty bits. We're adults; we don't need some motherly figure hovering above us locking threads because we're supposed to play nice in order to protect the soft spots on our heads. This is in response to the Dante's wig joke discussion of about half a week ago.

I will say this, though: if you've got something to say, think long and hard about what it's going to be. Make sure it at least has something to do with the topic. Make sure it isn't solely based on your emotions, because chances are... other people will have other emotions! :O Want to insult people? I guess you can, as long as it's based on something. I'm sure it'll die out if it gets out of hand and somehow strays away from the subject. Locking threads is only going to spoil it for the people who want to have conversations instead of mindlessly assholing around.

Don't tell me what to do! D:<
 
We don't have the right to say whatever crosses our minds, if this whatever becomes thoroughly insulting, thus violating another people's right not to be insulted. We have the right to express our opinion respectfully, and 'respectfully' includes not insulting other people. Other people, obviously, have the same duty (because everyone has the right not to be insulted, I'd say).

Not insulting people is necessary if we want to maintain a certain level of civility, that helps the conversation go on smoothly.
Example: if I came here and said something like "you're an idiot, are you so stupid that you don't see that mods are here to defend us from some retarded members who have nothing better to do with their lives that pi$$ing people off with their bull$hit?"... Well, this would be quite disrespectful to you (and those members I gratuitously insulted), don't you think? You'd have every right to feel hurt by my way of putting things. (Obviously, I do not mean anything of which I just said, it was an hypothetical example... :P )

Point is, being respectful is important because it should prevent annoying escalations of insulting sessions. That is what I mean when I say "Don't spread hate". I ask (not order, but suggest) people to act in a way that helps the discussion be a constructive one. When a topic degenerates in a flamewar the problem is, it spoils the fun of everyone who comes here to have a good discussion with other people, and that's why moderators are required. On the other hand, it's also true that it can happen that sometimes some people take a respectful exchange of opinions for a flamewar, and in this case they are wrong.

As always, if everyone managed to keep a level head, not mix opinions with facts, and not attack other people over their respectfully stated opinions, then there would be no need for mods. Since it's not always so, mods are here to prevent this forum becoming a battlefield: if this forum is still a rather peaceful haven for fans of this series it's also because mods have done their job well so far.

As for opinions like "DMC/DmC is complete bull$hit", those are not insulting other people directly, but, once again, they don't help the discussion to be a civilized one either. Some people may not be offended by an opinion stated as such, but some other people may find it at least somehow...how can I say? Annoying? Yeah.
What I mean is, if you come and say "DMC is bs" without even trying to discuss your claim, you're not directly insulting me, but at the same time your attitude doesn't help in putting up for a civilized discussion, but is more likely to get me all riled up and angry. But if you come and say "I don't like DMC because of x and y and z", then I'll be more willing to discuss those x and y and z, and a civilized discussion is more likely to take place. (Assuming that having a civilized discussion is the purpose of a forum)
If you think about it, it's the same as the title of this thread and your posts: if your only contributions to the discussion had been "Stop telling me what to do, 'cause I'm doing it anyway", then it wouldn't have helped to bring about a civilized discussion; but since you explained what you thought respectfully, then other people found it easier to answer you in an equally respectful way, and so on.

So, to sum up: we have the right to express our opinions, but we don't have the right to insult other people, and thus we should maintain a respectful tone when proposing or discussing our opinions. This helps the conversation to go on smoothly, for the fun of everyone.
The fact that "accidents" (people being disrespectful) do in fact happen is not a reason for saying that it is ok if they happen.


...Now, sorry if I'm being THE one who spoils the fun for everyone, but shouldn't this (very interesting) thread go in the General Discussion section?

EDIT

Thanks... :blush:
Good words, LysseC. Good thing people like you are around to keep people calm. I remember our 1-on-1 discussions! :)

So let's all agree to disagree, but in a respectful manner, shall we? What's so hard on being respectful?
 
Freedom of speech doesn't mean that what you say is worth hearing.

The bigger problem is that a lot of it really just involves people coming to this forum specifically to disagree, and talk crap. Yes, we all know that people don't like DmC, but really...seriously. Honestly. Wholeheartedly - no one gives a sh!t. The game isn't a commercial nor technical failure, it doesn't deserve nearly as much of the disdain as other games that truly are horrible piles.

I'd love to see even just one week of discussion on here devoid of controversy. Without someone dropping in to complain about this or that, to raise up another installment in the franchise while simultaneously shoving DmC in the muck. Just as equally, without the detractors to bring controversy, there'd be no people bringing up controversy of their own trying to question and fight ill-thought and baseless complaints. I'd just be so interested to see that, just to see how it would be like. To just have a nice discussion where someone doesn't jump in and essentially start saying "but this sucks!"

No one can just leave well enough alone, anymore. It's never enough to just not like something and be done with it, nowadays people have to seek out the bastions where people happily discuss their love for something a detractor hates, and spread their own vitriol all over it to prevent anyone from getting any enjoyment.

You wanna talk about how moderators shouldn't be necessary? Then maybe the detractors should leave, take their vitriolic and completely useless views with them, and spend their time and energy on something constructive instead. If they weren't around riling sh!t up, the mods would certainly not have to police threads as much as they do.

Oh, and you can't really say that a group of people has certain inalienable rights. This forum isn't a democracy, we're at the whims and rules of the people running the show. They could establish a new rule that every thread start with a "G'day!" and a picture of a kitten lest it be promptly deleted (if it wasn't too troublesome to police), and we'd have to either adhere to the rule or stop coming around.

Yes, there will always be detractors, but why do I have to deal with them? Why do I have to wade through their bullsh!t just to have a nice discussion with another DmC lover? Why should I offer them any respect when they are so pettily wasting their life focusing on something they hate? It's self-destructive and just really, really sad.

But hey! It's all an exercise in futility on both our ends really, so...
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