So...is he stronger?

[donteXdemon_killahX420]

You're missing the fact that he did that twenty years later, but okay.

Of course in game there's an explanation, but without knowing that Dante is a superhuman it looks like farce. Besides that, the whole point of the image is to make us sympathise with New Dante and see that he has been grievously harmed. The composition of the shot should emphasize this by having him in a state of physical weakness through his pose, such as kneeling, not lifting a 160 pound woman like she weighs nothing.

The concept of the piece is good, but the execution misses the point entirely. It's a microcosm of DmC as a whole.

Not to mention his expression looks less upset and horrified at her death and more like his mom told him he's not allowed to play the nintendos until his homework is done.

American Kirby syndrome at work

 

[Onecrazymonkey1]

The only thing thats bad about DMC4 is that when you play as Dante you have to go through the same levels that Nero went through. The only thing thats wrong about this Dante is fan service. Ok in DMC1 Dante was matured. In DMC2 he was even more mature.DMC3 was a prequel so he was young and immature. The time line in DMC is 3124(now im not sure if DMC4 is the last in the timeline). So how come Dante went to becoming Mature(DMC1) to acting like a kid again in DMC4? See what i mean. They made Dante in DMC4 act like DMC3 Dante to try to appeal to the fans of number 3 but it didn't work out to well.

Wait...I thought DMC2 was last in the timeline? :/

 

[Judgement]

You're missing the fact that he did that twenty years later, but okay.

Of course in game there's an explanation, but without knowing that Dante is a superhuman it looks like farce. Besides that, the whole point of the image is to make us sympathise with New Dante and see that he has been grievously harmed. The composition of the shot should emphasize this by having him in a state of physical weakness through his pose, such as kneeling, not lifting a 160 pound woman like she weighs nothing.

The concept of the piece is good, but the execution misses the point entirely. It's a microcosm of DmC as a whole.

I get what you mean. It did still seem a bit awkward even knowing his history but yeah it was meant to be more symbolic than anything

 

[Shin Muramasa]

You're missing the fact that he did that twenty years later, but okay.

Of course in game there's an explanation, but without knowing that Dante is a superhuman it looks like farce. Besides that, the whole point of the image is to make us sympathise with New Dante and see that he has been grievously harmed. The composition of the shot should emphasize this by having him in a state of physical weakness through his pose, such as kneeling, not lifting a 160 pound woman like she weighs nothing.

The concept of the piece is good, but the execution misses the point entirely. It's a microcosm of DmC as a whole.

I need to know this after finding out more interpretations of angels. Are angels in DmC physical beings or spiritual beings? It's never made note of and I don't think many games do that. In Bayonetta, angels seem like spiritual beings; they exist, but not in our dimension and while they can affect us, we can't do much with them. If they were physical beings, then whatever applies to us applies to them.

Also, for all we know, Eva's wings could still be flapping and holding herself up.

 

[Macabre]

Alucard doesn't really have anything that can really hurt dante nor dante can really completely destroy alucard. It's a stalemate.

You should read Hellsing to the end and see just how powerful Alucard gets. Schrodinger Alucard is the most OP son of a bitch in fiction since Yahweh.

I had a really interesting conversation with some friends on the subject of how you could handle such a battle, and I reckon it could really work.

The only thing thats bad about DMC4 is that when you play as Dante you have to go through the same levels that Nero went through. The only thing thats wrong about this Dante is fan service. Ok in DMC1 Dante was matured. In DMC2 he was even more mature.DMC3 was a prequel so he was young and immature. The time line in DMC is 3124(now im not sure if DMC4 is the last in the timeline). So how come Dante went to becoming Mature(DMC1) to acting like a kid again in DMC4? See what i mean. They made Dante in DMC4 act like DMC3 Dante to try to appeal to the fans of number 3 but it didn't work out to well.

One of my favourite tropes is the idea that the older we get, the more we regress to childlike sensibilities before we die. Old people don't give a crap who they offend or what chaos their behaviour might cause. The idea of a man who has seen so much horror, suffered so much evil and fought so many battles yet comes out the other side as a fun loving prankster is hugely heartening when done right.

I need to know this after finding out more interpretations of angels. Are angels in DmC physical beings or spiritual beings? It's never made note of and I don't think many games do that. In Bayonetta, angels seem like spiritual beings; they exist, but not in our dimension and while they can affect us, we can't do much with them. If they were physical beings, then whatever applies to us applies to them.

The complete lack of information on angels in DmC is one of my biggest problems with the game's plot. We have no idea where they are, if any of them are left, if they represent a god figure, if they come from a divine plane of existence, what their powers and ability are by comparison to demons, we know nothing. I've got some serious problems with Darksiders, but at least those guys made the effort to define their universe properly.

I think we can take for granted that, judging from what we see of Eva, angels can exist in Reality. The problem is we don't know if they need a body surrogate like demons do.

 

[Sieghart]

You should read Hellsing to the end and see just how powerful Alucard gets. Schrodinger Alucard is the most OP son of a bitch in fiction since Yahweh.

Yes, i have watched the final episode of Ultimate so i don't need to read the manga. He was corrupted by Schrodinger since the cat boy is basically Omnipresence. Alucard also became Omnipresence but in order to do that, he needed to kill all of his familiars inside him with the exception of Schrodinger. Taking out all of his familiars means he loses all his abilities except for omnipresence. So how can he hurt dante exactly? Using casul and jackal? Yeah, no.

Also, i can think of many people in fiction who can kill Alucard. Alucard is strong and all but he is very overrated.

 

[Nessy]

based on what we've seen new Dante has no where near the power of old Dante.

 

[Judgement]

Yes, i have watched the final episode of Ultimate so i don't need to read the manga. He was corrupted by Schrodinger since the cat boy is basically Omnipresence. Alucard also became Omnipresence but in order to do that, he needed to kill all of his familiars inside him with the exception of Schrodinger. Taking out all of his familiars means he loses all his abilities except for omnipresence. So how can he hurt dante exactly? Using casul and jackal? Yeah, no.

Also, i can think of many people in fiction who can kill Alucard. Alucard is strong and all but he is very overrated.

~Spoilers~

The manga/novels show Schrodinger Alucard as much more than what they did in the show. The show actually did that part no justice at all besides bringing him back to life. He was basically god being able to change the law of physics and such, even better regeneration than he already had which were already ridiculous

 

[Sieghart]

The manga/novels show Schrodinger Alucard as much more than what they did in the show. The show actually did that part no justice at all besides bringing him back to life

How so? I checked the manga and it's still the same explanation.

SPOILER WARNING

He was basically god being able to change the law of physics and such, even better regeneration than he already had which were already ridiculous

Yeah, so what? He really doesn't need regeneration since he is already omnipresence and he gained this by killing his familiars thus sacrificing many all of his abilities. He doesn't have any feats to kill dante and dante can't completely kill him. That is why it's a stalemate.

 

[chocolatepanda]

Id say not atm with the possibility of him being able to outshine the original. The guy with mechanical eye thing says Dante didnt reach his full potential after gaining DT(which is releasing his inner demon according to the eyeman) so that leaves his angel side untapped. DT distorts Limbo so if he was at full power he may even be able to distort any realm hes in. Although the seem physically weaker and by that i mean not a able to take as much damage as the originals since Virgil almost died from being stabbed by Dante(DT might have been the real reason Virgil took so much damage though) strength and speed wise the seem kinda close atm with OG Dante taking the lead since he has a lot more skill and precision.

 

[Judgement]

How so? I checked the manga and it's still the same explanation.
Yeah, so what? He really doesn't need regeneration since he is already omnipresence and he gained this by killing his familiars thus sacrificing many all of his abilities. He doesn't have any feats to kill dante and dante can't completely kill him. That is why it's a stalemate.

There's another one that goes further on with the story. There is also a novel that basically goes the same path too and continues sort of. I forget the names right now, I only know the japanese name for one of them but the translation doesn't exactly work out right. I'll look it up for you in a little bit. Either way looking at Alucard as you know him before losing all of his familiars he can even have his head chopped off and live and has regeneration far better than Dantes. After he loses them he still actually has immense power if not even stronger than with them. A fight between the two would be awesome but I could see Dante losing no matter how I look at it seeing as how he doesn't need any weapons he can just rip dante into multiple little pieces xD. It's not something I could even consider a fight though because it still might end up being a stalemate knowing Alucards personality he wouldn't even bother and Dante knows Alucard isn't really evil

 

[Macabre]

Dem Spoilers.

Firstly, please at least edit your post with a spoiler warning. Have some consideration.

Secondly,

SPOILER WARNING - HELLSING ULTIMATE/MANGA - SPOILER WARNING

If a character has the power of Omnipresence, he can literally go to the point where you began existing and snuff it out. Such a character would have to have a very specific sequence of character flaws and personal weaknesses in order to be defeated, so exploring such a concept would add up to a pretty interesting game.

Being toyed with by an impossibly powerful enemy who is torturing you for his own amusement is both effective horror and an empowerment fantasy as you gradually acrue the power you need to fight back.

SPOILERS ONGOING - THREAD HIJACK INTO HELLSING TANGENCY

 

[Sieghart]

T A fight between the two would be awesome but I could see Dante losing no matter how I look at it.

I don't really see how can dante lose since he defeated more stronger feated enemies than alucard. Most alucard's familliar is just a simple mere demon for dante. I also don't see how Alucard would kill dante when Dante have time stop and he have pandora the 666 weapons and other extraordinary strong weapons. Also dante can move to speed for hypersonic speed and possibly higher when in DT. Also Alastor gave him lightning speed. So again, i fail to see how alucard can rip him to shreds if he can't even catch him. How can he even rip dante to shreds when he doesn't even have his familiars or power ups? Show me alucard's full strength feat.

Also he got "Jackpot". The power to seal demon kings

Firstly, please at least edit your post with a spoiler warning. Have some consideration.

lol kay sorry.

Firstly, please at least edit your post with a spoiler warning. Have some
If a character has the power of Omnipresence, he can literally go to the point where you began existing and snuff it out. Such a character would have to have a very specific sequence of character flaws and personal weaknesses in order to be defeated, so exploring such a concept would add up to a pretty interesting game.

I know all of that bro. But i still don't see how can he hurt dante.
Also saying that alucard is the most OP character in fiction since yahweh is exaggerated. I'm pretty sure Spawn, Superman prime, Thor, The living Tribunal and Galactus can defeat alucard with ease. Also the characters from b@stard! such as satan, Dark scneider ETC. I can go on and on.


I'm not saying that dante can win against alucard. I already said it twice that dante can't completely destroy alucard.

 

[Judgement]

Something I forgot to mention.

DT!

Since Dantes DT matures as he get older wouldn't his new one in DmC get ridiculously stupid later on or maybe it won't be as op since it only made limbo get thrown out of whack. That will really tell us how much stronger he will be than the original if at all. I did mention he could get angel trigger or it might all ready be a part of his existing DT but it all plays back into how it evolves.

 

[Macabre]

I don't really see how can dante lose since he defeated more stronger feated enemies than alucard. Most alucard's familliar is just a simple mere demon for dante. I also don't see how Alucard would kill dante when Dante have time stop and he have pandora the 666 weapons and other extraordinary strong weapons.

Also he got "Jackpot". The power to seal demon kings

There's no reason Alucard couldn't acquire powerful Devil Arms and powers himself though, because he is himself omnipresent. You see, Omnipresence is the ultimate trump card. If you can be anywhere and are aware of everything, even if you only have a human body (And Alucard alone is the toughest Vampire alive, even without his regeneration), you can destroy every advantage your enemy has and take them for yourself. If Royal Guard is the perfect defence, Alucard can kill you while you're sleeping before you acquire it. If you have mastered every apocalyptic magick, he can poison your mother's breast milk before you move to solid food. If you have The Power Cosmic and have survived multiple big bangs, he can rip out your spine before you gain that ability.

Do you see how this works?

Now defeating such an adversary, that would be an impossible challenge which a true hero would take up.

 

[Blacknerd]

wait wait wait wait wait wait guys come now lets even this here playing field out. From what I read on page one this person is wondering if DmC dante is stronger than his predecessors. Lets look at it this way.

DmC dante is a bit older than DMC 3 dante and when DMC 3 dante gets his DT hes much stronger and faster ala killing the blood goyle in one bad ass fashion(I will forever call this my only and very fav scene from DMC3 dante period) and about 10% more demonic(ala the zombie walk to vergil/arkham) DmC dante gets DT he was able to not only lift the enemies in the air but kill them with ease.

Fast Forward DT is never exclusively used in DMC 3s cutscenes or even talked about much. DmC *spoilers* he was able to slow mundus in his demonic form with just his DT aura/powers. This again like others said is only dante just touching the surface of his powers.

Then on to DMC 1-2 dante has full control of his demonic abilities and uses them to stop mundus(with help from trish and soul edge lololoolol-sparda-) DMC 2 he rapes face when he is low on hp (if you just let it happen) and you see a much more powerful DT than all the others combined. However this is dante in his what seems to be 30-50s maybe? correct me if im wrong

DmC dante is only about 19-21 and has a much more potent power to unlock this was only a minor tease esp if you beaten the game and seen what he looked like at the end. So personally I dont give a **** what anyone thinks but I do feel that this dante is going to be much more powerful than the other dantes because of both his powers displayed in this game and his heritage being both angel and demon. Seeing as how nephilim can traverse both worlds it will be interesting to see what happens to him when he is DMC 2 dantes age...or not because no one but a slim few want the game and others just don't want to buy it out of spite(some not all) so I might never know what will happen in the DmC universe blah blah blah blah :X

I know some of ya dont want to admit it but dante isnt the game ending hero he isnt imortal and he can be stopped. The devs for 2 3 and 4 just never wanted to show him with weakness and made him more anime too cool for school no one can stop me type deal. (the anime ending that someone posted of him just barely trying and killing the main villain :\ lame if you ask me I like all out dukes no matter how weak or strong someone is.

This of course is all my collective opinion
DONE
Also where the **** did all this hellsing come from I thought we were talking about DmC lol

 

[Sieghart]

There's no reason Alucard couldn't acquire powerful Devil Arms and powers himself though, because he is himself omnipresent. You see, Omnipresence is the ultimate trump card. If you can be anywhere and are aware of everything, even if you only have a human body (And Alucard alone is the toughest Vampire alive, even without his regeneration), you can destroy every advantage your enemy has and take them for yourself. If Royal Guard is the perfect defence, Alucard can kill you while you're sleeping before you acquire it. If you have mastered every apocalyptic magick, he can poison your mother's breast milk before you move to solid food. If you have The Power Cosmic and have survived multiple big bangs, he can rip out your spine before you gain that ability.

Do you see how this works?

Now defeating such an adversary, that would be an impossible challenge which a true hero would take up.

Alucard's greatest destructive feat is only a city level. That is when level 0 is release. He doesn't have any greater destructive feats from that. And even if alucard is the toughest vampire in the hellsing universe, what can he do to dante with all of his weapons and abilities? He can't hurt dante in a meaningful way since dante's regen is also very good. Also, if alucard would then kill dante as a child before he would even acquire all of his skills that proves of how he can't even touch dante :troll:

Also Devil arms never even existed in the Hellsing Universe :/

You also never addressed of how alucard is the strongest fictional character though. Because i really can think of many characters that can kick his ass.

 

[Shin Muramasa]

Alucard's greatest destructive feat is only a city level. That is when level 0 is release. He doesn't have any greater destructive feats from that. And even if alucard is the toughest vampire in the hellsing universe, what can he do to dante with all of his weapons and abilities? He can't hurt dante in a meaningful way since dante's regen is also very good.

Also Devil arms never even existed in the Hellsing Universe :/

You also never addressed of how alucard is the strongest fictional character though. Because i really can think of many characters that can kick his ass.

Isn't Ghost Rider Marvel's OP character?

 

[Macabre]

Alucard's greatest destructive feat is only a city level. That is when level 0 is release. He doesn't have any greater destructive feats from that. And even if alucard is the toughest vampire in the hellsing universe, what can he do to dante with all of his weapons and abilities? He can't hurt dante in a meaningful way since dante's regen is also very good.

Also Devil arms never even existed in the Hellsing Universe :/

You also never addressed of how alucard is the strongest fictional character though. Because i really can think of many characters that can kick his ass.

Yes I did. My point is that having Omnipresence means that YOU WIN, because you can instantly destroy an enemy before they become a threat to you. I implicitly made examples.

If Royal Guard is the perfect defence, Alucard can kill you while you're sleeping before you acquire it. If you have mastered every apocalyptic magick, he can poison your mother's breast milk before you move to solid food. If you have The Power Cosmic and have survived multiple big bangs, he can rip out your spine before you gain that ability.

I can come up with more creative ways of saying "Alucard kills X while X is a baby." if you like.

 

[Sieghart]

Isn't Ghost Rider Marvel's OP character?

Exactly. Many characters in Marvel comics or DC comics are way stronger than alucard.
By saying that alucard is the most OP/strongest character in fiction since yahweh is like saying that Alucard can defeat Galactus, the living tribunal and The one above all. Which i don't see happening. Not even 1 %.

Yes I did. My point is that having Omnipresence means that YOU WIN, because you can instantly destroy an enemy before they become a threat to you. I implicitly made examples.



I can come up with more creative ways of saying "Alucard kills X while X is a baby." if you like.

lololol i never thought alucard is so much of a coward even though he hates cowards very much


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