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Origins of the Nephilim

Ronin

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Actually, most of us are well aware of the origin of the Nephilim. Been a christian I hear about these things often.

They didn't pick the name Nephilim out of appropriateness or etymological correctness, they did it out of appearances. The word for a half demon/half human is cambion and from what I've been told an actual angel/demon hybrid would be called a mixture of the words cambion and nephilim.

Rather than go looking for an actual name, though, NT just opted out to call them what sounded cooler. No particular reason grounded in theology.

Nephilim has been used a lot in pop culture so it's no surprise.
 
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Well, when a demon and an angel love each other very, very much...

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Anyway, Ninja Theory wasn't the only to use Nephilim to regard an angel/demon hybrid, either. Darksiders was butcherin' that definition first :p Of course, it wouldn't be the first time any dev took (a lot) of creative liberty with some form of mythology :p
 
Well just another bunch misinterpritated bull, just like those people who think that Beelzebub (or to be precise Baalzebul) are another name for Devil, etc etc. Mythology was butchered over and over again. And by christianity themselves too, btw.
 
Well considering that originall it was completely different god, but than they turned him into variation, varying from fallen angel (unholy trinity) or hell lord and finally degenerated him into another name for.
 
It actually is.

In many interpretations the devil is often called Satan, Beelzebub, and other demon names. According to others, though, those are the names of other demons in the hierarchy. Lucifer is the devil and the others are monarchs in the ranks. There are no one single source that specifies who isn't who, often times.
 
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It actually is.

In many interpretations the devil is often called Satan, Beelzebub, and other demon names. According to others, though, those are the names of other demons in the hierarchy. Lucifer is the devil and the others are monarchs in the ranks. There are no one single source that specifies who isn't who, often times.
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That's difference between new and old Testament. old which is based on Torah and Kabalah is more detailed on demon's origins and seperating one from the other. New Testament basically slaps most demon names together and uses them as Lucifer/Devil another name,
 
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That's difference between new and old Testament. old which is based on Torah and Kabalah is more detailed on demon's origins and seperating one from the other. New Testament basically slaps most demon names together and uses them as Lucifer/Devil another name,
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Which is bad. If you are performing an exorcism you need the name of the demon. Calling him Lucifer or devil is just not going to cut it. It'd be like sending the police to track down your stalker to any random criminal's house.
 
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Which is bad. If you are performing an exorcism you need the name of the demon. Calling him Lucifer or devil is just not going to cut it. It'd be like sending the police to track down your stalker to any random criminal's house.
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Well I'm not familiar how exorcism exactly performed in Christianity . In jewish community it's only allowed by those who studied Kabbalah but there are very few who allowed to do it. So like I said, calling Beelzebub devil is common misconception, born from false interpretation.
 
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Well I'm not familiar how exorcism exactly performed in Christianity . In jewish community it's only allowed by those who studied Kabbalah but there are very few who allowed to do it. So like I said, calling Beelzebub devil is common misconception, born from false interpretation.
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In christianity you acquire the name of the demon and using it's name you commanded it to leave in the name of god. The name is important. In the rites of exorcism it is what gives you power over it. More precisely, it is how you tell God who you want to defeat, and He will do it for you. That's why you say 'It is He who commands you.'

Anyway, I've done some reading on the subject matter and I am aware that Beelzebub is the lord of flies. Him, along with others that represent the sins have been misappropriated to be called the devil since when people interpret anything bad they tend to just say it's the devil. I actually got into an argument in my english class in highschool because I told my teacher Beelzebub was not the devil but a prince of hell, she pointed out that american literature said otherwise.
 
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In christianity you acquire the name of the demon and using it's name you commanded it to leave in the name of god. The name is important. In the rites of exorcism it is what gives you power over it. More precisely, it is how you tell God who you want to defeat, and He will do it for you. That's why you say 'It is He who commands you.'

Anyway, I've done some reading on the subject matter and I am aware that Beelzebub is the lord of flies. Him, along with others that represent the sins have been misappropriated to be called the devil since when people interpret anything bad they tend to just say it's the devil. I actually got into an argument in my english class in highschool because I told my teacher Beelzebub was not the devil but a prince of hell, she pointed out that american literature said otherwise.
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Well teachers are humans too. They use common knowledge, which isn't always a good thing sadly But you're right. I don't really know why New Testament is less precise, but as far as I'm aware it most like because it was written much later and lot was lost in transition like it usually happens.
 
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I thought Lucifer was the name of a Babylonian king. Oh, well.
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it is, though it may as well be meaning Morning Star in direct context. Just like it's unkown wether Baal Zebul was real name of ancient god or it was just meaning "High Lord" (Babylonian translation differs from arabian) But overall Lucifer is name of devil as before fall. But if we take source book Torah, Lucifer is closely associated with Fallen Angel.
 
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Which is bad. If you are performing an exorcism you need the name of the demon. Calling him Lucifer or devil is just not going to cut it. It'd be like sending the police to track down your stalker to any random criminal's house.
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How do people work out which demon it is if they need the right name to get rid of it? Genuinely curious.
 
Depends on who you ask.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azazel#Seventh-day_Adventists

Adventists teach that the scapegoat, or Azazel, is a symbol for Satan.

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The name Azazel is mentioned four times in the Bible's Old Testament, in Levitcus 16-8, 16-10, and 16-26. In most translations, it's the actual word, but in the King James Version it was translated into the word "scapegoat."

The name is highly prevalent in "The Book of Enoch," a book translated from "The Dead Sea Scrolls." The opening verses in the Book of Enoch lead us to believe that the book was not meant for those in Enoch's generation, and it is believed that it was meant for our generation, having been concealed for over a thousand years.

Azazel was the leader of a group of fallen angels, who existed before the dawn of time, were originally called Elohim, Watchers, or Sons of God, and were beings who sinned with and caused humans to sin. Some scholars argue that Azazel was the Devil himself.

Originally, these beings had physical bodies, but could live forever, never dying of natural causes; though it was possible for them to die from brute force, either by accident or intentional.

As punishment for their sins and the sins they caused, God caused the fallen angels to become spirits without form or bodies, and they were then forced to seek out bodies, either human or animal, to serve as hosts, to remain alive.

There are ancient writings that depict Azazel as taking on the forms of both a bird and a goat. In the Apocalypse of Abraham, Azazel is portrayed as an unclean bird flying down upon a sacrifice prepared by Abraham. In Leviticus 16:8, the Lord ordered his high priest, Aaron, to place lots upon two goats, on the Jewish Day of Atonement: one marked for the Lord's sacrifice, and the other marked for Azazel, to be sent off into the wilderness to bear all of the iniquities and transgressions of the Israelites, and carry them off into an inaccessible region.

Outside a body, they could only live for moments, without entering another body, either through touch with body-to body contact or through an aerial out-of-body transfer for a short distance.
God sent the great flood to rid the world of the sinful humans and the fallen angels. It is believed that Azazel escaped death in the great flood by entering the body of one of the he-goats in the seven goat-pairs that entered Noah's ark. Despite the ravaging flood, some of the fallen angels, now demons, survived the flood as birds or fish.
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Submitted by Professor John Howard in "Fear Me" on the portfolio tab at http://www.MediaTechniques.com

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http://theisticsatanism.com/geifodd/azazel.html

One of the first manifestations of Satan, the Christian Devil, in Judaic thought was Azazel, a Horned God of the Hebrews who was associated with darkness and the desert wilderness.

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Also, didn't I just say that "it's just my thinking", which meant that I isn't 100% certain?

Therefore, how can you be 100% certain that it isn't? Especially since you didn't post any sources in your last post at the time of this one being written?

I'm done here. I'm not going to get into semantics about imaginary beings. :facepalm:
 
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Depends on who you ask.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azazel#Seventh-day_Adventists

Adventists teach that the scapegoat, or Azazel, is a symbol for Satan.

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The name Azazel is mentioned four times in the Bible's Old Testament, in Levitcus 16-8, 16-10, and 16-26. In most translations, it's the actual word, but in the King James Version it was translated into the word "scapegoat."

The name is highly prevalent in "The Book of Enoch," a book translated from "The Dead Sea Scrolls." The opening verses in the Book of Enoch lead us to believe that the book was not meant for those in Enoch's generation, and it is believed that it was meant for our generation, having been concealed for over a thousand years.

Azazel was the leader of a group of fallen angels, who existed before the dawn of time, were originally called Elohim, Watchers, or Sons of God, and were beings who sinned with and caused humans to sin. Some scholars argue that Azazel was the Devil himself.

Originally, these beings had physical bodies, but could live forever, never dying of natural causes; though it was possible for them to die from brute force, either by accident or intentional.

As punishment for their sins and the sins they caused, God caused the fallen angels to become spirits without form or bodies, and they were then forced to seek out bodies, either human or animal, to serve as hosts, to remain alive.

There are ancient writings that depict Azazel as taking on the forms of both a bird and a goat. In the Apocalypse of Abraham, Azazel is portrayed as an unclean bird flying down upon a sacrifice prepared by Abraham. In Leviticus 16:8, the Lord ordered his high priest, Aaron, to place lots upon two goats, on the Jewish Day of Atonement: one marked for the Lord's sacrifice, and the other marked for Azazel, to be sent off into the wilderness to bear all of the iniquities and transgressions of the Israelites, and carry them off into an inaccessible region.

Outside a body, they could only live for moments, without entering another body, either through touch with body-to body contact or through an aerial out-of-body transfer for a short distance.
God sent the great flood to rid the world of the sinful humans and the fallen angels. It is believed that Azazel escaped death in the great flood by entering the body of one of the he-goats in the seven goat-pairs that entered Noah's ark. Despite the ravaging flood, some of the fallen angels, now demons, survived the flood as birds or fish.
Source:
Submitted by Professor John Howard in "Fear Me" on the portfolio tab at http://www.MediaTechniques.com

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http://theisticsatanism.com/geifodd/azazel.html

One of the first manifestations of Satan, the Christian Devil, in Judaic thought was Azazel, a Horned God of the Hebrews who was associated with darkness and the desert wilderness.

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And I did say, "it's just my thinking", which meant that I isn't 100% certain. Therefore, how can you be 100% certain that it isn't?

I'm done here. I'm not going to get into semantics about imaginary beings.
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>I'm not going to get into semantics about imaginary beings. To be honest that's what you often tend to do. :P
So now you try to argue but run away right after it? ok. please, proceed. Since we talk about Christianity, I use jewish texts as source, since old Testament based on them. I don't really consider any sect conviction as reliable source. Azazel is described in Enoch books (Metatron anyone? :P) while Baal in Lesser Key of Solomon.
 
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