Interview with the Capcom and NT staff: "This is the same Dante - just younger"

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The DmC reboot discussion board should be split in two, so those who dislike it can discuss how much they hate it on one forum, and those who do like it can discuss their expectations on another forum. Just an idea.

We're all fans of Devil May Cry and we all have the right to be here, but every other thread is ending in these mindless discussions.

Yeah,that´s actually good idea.
I made a thread about that in general disscusion.

 

[darkslayer13]

since so many people don't seem to get it i suppose i should try to figure this out.

the story is a retelling of dante's origin so that makes it a Reboot and an Origin Story not a Prequel in the original canon. what they mean be same dante is not that he is in the same timeline but simply that he has a similer personality and probably has a similer backstory and fighting style. so dose that make sense to everybody.

 

[Asmodaius]

since so many people don't seem to get it i suppose i should try to figure this out.

the story is a retelling of dante's origin so that makes it a Reboot and an Origin Story not a Prequel in the original canon. what they mean be same dante is not that he is in the same timeline but simply that he has a similer personality and probably has a similer backstory and fighting style. so dose that make sense to everybody.

DING DING DING DING!!! 10 points to darkslayer! ;P

 

[Chrysander]

It's a reboot with a new Dante. Batman Begins had a new Batman. All reboots change things about the characters. It's not always a bad thing, and sometimes the changes are subtle, and can go in the right direction. The changes to this new Dante are huge though and all in the wrong direction.

 

[VirgilTheart]

It's a reboot with a new Dante. Batman Begins had a new Batman. All reboots change things about the characters. It's not always a bad thing, and sometimes the changes are subtle, and can go in the right direction. The changes to this new Dante are huge though and all in the wrong direction.

Quite wrong, actually. Batman Begins was still about Bruce Wayne/Batman. And the same can be said about Casino Royale; it was still about James Bond, Agent 007. They were revisioned by the directors and producers, but that doesn't mean they were no longer Batman or James Bond. And that's what Capcom is saying; it's still the character Dante, just from a different envisioning of him. The question came across more of "is this still Dante, or are we dealing with some new character also named Dante?" And the answer's clear; it's still Dante. And let's be honest here, a bunch of folks were speculating that it was just wannabe calling himself Dante, or the government brainwashed him to think he was Dante. That's what the two options were in the question; Is it still Dante or is it someone new that has the same name?

I know most folks hate the new design. But that doesn't mean you get to say that the character is not Dante. Sorry to say that, folks.

 

[bobek388]

I knew these fu***** selfish ba****** will only care about the money, and I knew they wanted to gain new customers, casual players. And I don't want to play as a fu***** skinny depressed teenager, if I want to see one, it's very easy to find one in the real life. Maybe DmC 6 or rather DmC 2 will have 6 years old blonde dante running around with a lollipop in his mouth?

 

[EmilIrving]

I knew these fu***** selfish ba****** will only care about the money, and I knew they wanted to gain new customers, casual players. And I don't want to play as a fu***** skinny depressed teenager, if I want to see one, it's very easy to find one in the real life. Maybe DmC 6 or rather DmC 2 will have 6 years old blonde dante running around with a lollipop in his mouth?

I agree with the positive group on the reboot, and saying how this is Dante (just with different options and events that led to this game/reboot imo). But I must say, I still lol'd from this.

 

[Asmodaius]

I agree with the positive group on the reboot, and saying how this is Dante (just with different options and events that led to this game/reboot imo). But I must say, I still lol'd from this.

Indeed, it can be quite entertaining to see how the raging fans response on Dante's new look. XD

 

[Dominus]

I know most folks hate the new design. But that doesn't mean you get to say that the character is not Dante. Sorry to say that, folks.

You're comparing reboots that came from old characters who basically had run their course, with a game series that started in 2001 made up of 4 games total. And even in the reboots you stated, they staid true to the a good portion of the source material. Bond is a womanizing badass, Batman is a crime fighter with a strong moral conscience and a secret double life, etc. They both were even based on established stories in their respective series

But with DmC we have no connection with anything Devil May Cry related other than a guy in a red trench coat, who has 2 guns and a sword. And people keep saying he is younger Dante but we got a dose of that in DMC3, which was done quite well. DMC3 Dante retained the coccky, badass attitude of DMC1 Dante but with much more energy. This coccky and energized attitude added to the gameplay of DMC3 Dante. In fact we saw Dante do more action packed and crazy stuff in the cut-scenes than what can be done via gameplay.

So using this multiplication effect of cutscenes being 10X more crazy than actual gameplay, we have the DmC trailer which showcases Dante slowly shooting guns at demons... hmm wonder how that will turn out in gameplay. I guess taunt now will be to take your cigarette out (like Solid Snake)and if you're next to an enemy you'll put it out on them (+1 style point).

But overall the argument that we should accept this as Dante just because Capcom says so really has no basis other than Capcom owning the rights to Dante. I still don't really accept DMC2 as a good version of Dante, so I guess if this game is bad I'll label this Ninja's Theory's Dante.

 

[Vampi]

But with DmC we have no connection with anything Devil May Cry related other than a guy in a red trench coat,

He doesn't even have a trenchcoat. Its more like a worn out jacket. And his guns don't even look like Ebony and Ivory that much. E&I are bigger then what he's carrying.

Also, where is Dino carrying his sword? I don't see him ever carrying it.

 

[Asmodaius]

Also, where is Dino carrying his sword? I don't see him ever carrying it.

You can spot it here:
http://www.ign.com/videos/2010/09/23...objectid=85707

From the IGN trailer analysis, it appears to be a sword which can change shape.

 

[Zato-OW]

Reboot? It depends how you define it. If they are re-telling the story while keeping "somethings" the same then its practically a reboot of the series. Dante never smoked before and now he does? Hes always had silver hair since birth and now hes just getting it? Looks to me like a reboot but they want to call it something different. I read that they claim Dante won't have silver hair this time but just a patch of silver hair. Lets see how far that goes.

 

[Vampi]

You can spot it here:
http://www.ign.com/videos/2010/09/23...objectid=85707

From the IGN trailer analysis, it appears to be a sword which can change shape.

Not carry the sword in his hand. I meant why ISN'T he carrying it on his back like the original Dante. And in sum shots he doesn't even have the sword with him.

 

[Acedia]

Reboot? It depends how you define it. If they are re-telling the story while keeping "somethings" the same then its practically a reboot of the series. Dante never smoked before and now he does? Hes always had silver hair since birth and now hes just getting it? Looks to me like a reboot but they want to call it something different. I read that they claim Dante won't have silver hair this time but just a patch of silver hair. Lets see how far that goes.

Exactly, lets see how far that goes.
I can't wait.

It's deemed very unnecessary to have done this.

They MIGHT get plenty of casual fans.
You'll definitely LOSE a lot more Die Hard fans.

This forum itself is proof, ****s getting hectic.

 

[Richtofen]

Well...I've heard NT didn't want to drastically change his apperance in an interview, it was Capcom that was running behind the scenes that did. NT had no choice but to go along with it.

Indeed, let's wait and see how it goes.

 

[Chrysander]

Quite wrong, actually. Batman Begins was still about Bruce Wayne/Batman. And the same can be said about Casino Royale; it was still about James Bond, Agent 007. They were revisioned by the directors and producers, but that doesn't mean they were no longer Batman or James Bond. And that's what Capcom is saying; it's still the character Dante, just from a different envisioning of him. The question came across more of "is this still Dante, or are we dealing with some new character also named Dante?" And the answer's clear; it's still Dante. And let's be honest here, a bunch of folks were speculating that it was just wannabe calling himself Dante, or the government brainwashed him to think he was Dante. That's what the two options were in the question; Is it still Dante or is it someone new that has the same name?

I know most folks hate the new design. But that doesn't mean you get to say that the character is not Dante. Sorry to say that, folks.

It's not that it's "not dante", it's that it is a new dante. By making a new universe, changing back story / origin, changing how he looks, changing characteristics like smoking and demeanor, they are making a new version of dante. I mean, to put it simply, does "dante" smoke or not? He can't smoke and not smoke. So the new dante does smoke, and the original dante doesn't, they're not the same, it's a different universe, but obviously it is intended that it is the same character.

The point people are making is that a reboot is not the same as a prequel. In a prequel, it is the same universe, same actual person, just before the other games. With a reboot, you get rid of the other games, and say "no, this is how it was", replacing the old.

 

[Richtofen]

It's not that it's "not dante", it's that it is a new dante. By making a new universe, changing back story / origin, changing how he looks, changing characteristics like smoking and demeanor, they are making a new version of dante. I mean, to put it simply, does "dante" smoke or not? He can't smoke and not smoke. So the new dante does smoke, and the original dante doesn't, they're not the same, it's a different universe, but obviously it is intended that it is the same character.

The point people are making is that a reboot is not the same as a prequel. In a prequel, it is the same universe, same actual person, just before the other games. With a reboot, you get rid of the other games, and say "no, this is how it was", replacing the old.

Exactly, but people are making a stink out of it saying it can't be both a reboot and a prequel. It is a different universe with a new Dante running the show, it has nothing to do with the original canon. They are telling Dante's story differently in a different universe.

I don't understand how people don't see it that way. Maybe it's better to reject than accept a new reality in some peoples eyes.

 

[Kittn]

I don't understand how people don't see it that way. Maybe it's better to reject than accept a new reality in some peoples eyes.

If the new DmC universe (the new reality you're referring to, I'm guessing?) isn't to a person's liking, there's nothing at all wrong with rejecting it in favor of the old one.

But Capcom seems to be trying to make it sound like its both the old and the new, and all these arguments for movies and fiction that has had reboots only make the point more valid that they can't be the same.

It is the same character in that his name is Dante and he seems to be a killer of demons and is in a game called Devil May Cry. The similarities end there right now, and even if more were to creep up later, the differences already are major enough to have a pretty big distinction. It is not the same Dante 'we know and love' as was asked in the first question. Capcom saying it is, then confirming the re-imaging is again, them speaking out of both sides of their mouth cause it can't be both.

Those who are arguing it can must have pretty vague qualifications of what makes a Dante, but not everyone is going to share that loose sort of attachment to the previous versions.

 

[Richtofen]

If the new DmC universe (the new reality you're referring to, I'm guessing?) isn't to a person's liking, there's nothing at all wrong with rejecting it in favor of the old one.

Yes I was refering to the new DMC universe.

But Capcom seems to be trying to make it sound like its both the old and the new, and all these arguments for movies and fiction that has had reboots only make the point more valid that they can't be the same.

It is the same character in that his name is Dante and he seems to be a killer of demons and is in a game called Devil May Cry. The similarities end there right now, and even if more were to creep up later, the differences already are major enough to have a pretty big distinction. It is not the same Dante 'we know and love' as was asked in the first question. Capcom saying it is, then confirming the re-imaging is again, them speaking out of both sides of their mouth cause it can't be both.

In a different reality...it has nothing to do with the original canon at all. Animes, movies, past games, books don't mean anything to this new game. It's being told by someone else and they are explaning how they want it.

Those who are arguing it can must have pretty vague qualifications of what makes a Dante, but not everyone is going to share that loose sort of attachment to the previous versions.

There are fans who love the old Dante just as much as others and still accept the new one just as easily. But I'm sure it has to do with personal taste as well.

 

[Asmodaius]

CRASH!!!

The haters collided with the likers once more. :3