Interview with the Capcom and NT staff: "This is the same Dante - just younger"

[BlueDevil]

BAHHAHA, yes, I see it now

DmC Downloadable content

"This content offers three new bonus costumes for use in the Devil May Cry game, including the original, more positively received Dante, a new outfit resembling that of a Goth, not an Emo, and shirtless Dante with suspenders. Have a blast"

I insulted the game, yes. But just for fun. Don't get me wrong ^^

 

[Asmodaius]

I think I speak for everyone when I say that all of his extra costumes should involve more creative ways to conceal his body rather than reveal it. Please, for the love of keeping food down, do not give him a shirtless costume, Capcom.

What, I like skinny guys, I wouldn't mind him having a shirtless costume. It's a question about taste though. ;P

 

[Vampi]

I don't see when he would have the time to go to the salon and get his hair, eyebrows and eyelashes done. The only real question that remains is: does the carpet match the drapes? Only time will tell.

I can't believe i'm saying this but...i hope to God i never see this new Dante naked...ever. Can you imagine how many track marks he's hiding underneath that wifebeater shirt he has on? *shivers*

 

[Asmodaius]

I can't believe i'm saying this but...i hope to God i never see this new Dante naked...ever. Can you imagine how many track marks he's hiding underneath that wifebeater shirt he has on? *shivers*

Be careful to search on Dante fanart in the future then. XD

 

[VirgilTheart]

Before they said it was a reboot, now they are basically saying it is a prequel. Well it can't be both. If this is our Dante, the real one, it is a prequel and it fits into the canon before DMC3. If it is a reboot, this is its own canon and is not related to the real Dante. They are giving mixed messages.

You DO realize of course that the two most successful reboots of the past decade (that I can think of) were origin stories/prequels to iconic characters, right? Or have you not seen Batman Begins/The Dark Knight or Casino Royale? Just because they rebooted those series, does it mean Christian Bale's Batman isn't REALLY Batman? Or because Casino Royale's a reboot, Daniel Craig's James Bond really ISN'T James Bond?

It's the real Dante, like it or not.

 

[Asmodaius]

You DO realize of course that the two most successful reboots of the past decade (that I can think of) were origin stories/prequels to iconic characters, right? Or have you not seen Batman Begins/The Dark Knight or Casino Royale? Just because they rebooted those series, does it mean Christian Bale's Batman isn't REALLY Batman? Or because Casino Royale's a reboot, Daniel Craig's James Bond really ISN'T James Bond?

It's the real Dante, like it or not.

Exactly. Just because people don't like it doesn't mean that it isn't true. They even announced it in the interview. This IS Dante.

 

[BlueDevil]

But neither of those character's physical images were altered in any massive way. The point isn't comparing personality or story features. The main complaint is appearance.

 

[VirgilTheart]

But neither of those character's physical images were altered in any massive way. The point isn't comparing personality or story features. The main complaint is appearance.

Actually you're very wrong about that one; Daniel Craig got a LOT of hate from the die-hard Bond fans before Casino Royale was released. In fact, the behavior is strikingly very similar to how folks are acting now about Dante and DmC. Folks went so far as to start false rumors just to get more folks hating Daniel and tried with all their might to get him un-casted as Bond.

Why on Earth would they do that to the actor who most folks now rank up there as the best Bond since Sean Connery?

Because he was blonde.

 

[moseslmpg]

What, I like skinny guys, I wouldn't mind him having a shirtless costume. It's a question about taste though. ;P

Dino isn't only skinny, but sickly and apparently underfed and unhealthy as well. There's svelte and then there's malnourished. So far he falls into the latter. Hopefully he bulks up later in the game. I had always assumed you were a guy though...

You DO realize of course that the two most successful reboots of the past decade (that I can think of) were origin stories/prequels to iconic characters, right? Or have you not seen Batman Begins/The Dark Knight or Casino Royale? Just because they rebooted those series, does it mean Christian Bale's Batman isn't REALLY Batman? Or because Casino Royale's a reboot, Daniel Craig's James Bond really ISN'T James Bond?

It's the real Dante, like it or not.

You're missing the point. I'm not complaining about it being a reboot OR about it being a prequel, I'm saying that it can't be both. Batman was a reboot, not a prequel. I can't talk of Casino Royale, but the Bond series isn't known for its coherent storyline anyway.

None of these are proper analogies, because the DMC series has a basically coherent timeline. Either Dino is a rebooted Dante, or he is Dante before DMC3 and this game directly connects to DMC3. Capcom has said it is both things at different times, but that is logically impossible.

This has nothing to do with preference or taste. It has to do with A being not-A, which last time I checked with Aristotle, wasn't a cool thing to say.

 

[VirgilTheart]

You're missing the point. I'm not complaining about it being a reboot OR about it being a prequel, I'm saying that it can't be both. Batman was a reboot, not a prequel. I can't talk of Casino Royale, but the Bond series isn't known for its coherent storyline anyway.

None of these are proper analogies, because the DMC series has a basically coherent timeline. Either Dino is a rebooted Dante, or he is Dante before DMC3 and this game directly connects to DMC3. Capcom has said it is both things at different times, but that is logically impossible.

This has nothing to do with preference or taste. It has to do with A being not-A, which last time I checked with Aristotle, wasn't a cool thing to say.

Here's the thing; I haven't once seen Capcom or Ninja Theory use the term "prequel". Only "origin story", which fits quite snugly in there with a reboot. So yeah, I'd say both analogies work.

 

[Asmodaius]

I had always assumed you were a guy though...

Your point being?

Here's the thing; I haven't once seen Capcom or Ninja Theory use the term "prequel". Only "origin story", which fits quite snugly in there with a reboot. So yeah, I'd say both analogies work.

That's exactly what I was trying to say... I just have the problem that I somewhat over-explain myself so it just ends up confusing people even more. XD

 

[moseslmpg]

Here's the thing; I haven't once seen Capcom or Ninja Theory use the term "prequel". Only "origin story", which fits quite snugly in there with a reboot. So yeah, I'd say both analogies work.

Sometimes you can't expect them to feed things to you with a silver spoon. Let me break it down for you.

Reboot = Different continuity. No connection to DMC1, 2, 3, or 4. Different version of character. E.g. Ultimate X-men.

Prequel = Same continuity, directly connected to DMC3 and thus all other games. Same character. E.g. regular X-men.

Before, Capcom was adamant about this being a REBOOT, i.e. this is not part of the main canon, it is in a separate continuity. But now, they imply it is a PREQUEL, by saying this is a the same character, implying that he is IN THE SAME TIMELINE but just at an earlier point in the same timeline.

The paradox is that it cannot both be part of the same timeline and also a different timeline at the same time, hence my comment about X being not-X; something can't be itself and its opposite at the same time.

Verständlich?

Your point being?

That was my point: Because of your posting style, I assumed you to be male. You haven't necessarily disproved that assumption though, as I notice you didn't confirm or deny my suspicion...

 

[Asmodaius]

Sometimes you can't expect them to feed things to you with a silver spoon. Let me break it down for you.

Reboot = Different continuity. No connection to DMC1, 2, 3, or 4. Different version of character. E.g. Ultimate X-men.

Prequel = Same continuity, directly connected to DMC3 and thus all other games. Same character. E.g. regular X-men.

Before, Capcom was adamant about this being a REBOOT, i.e. this is not part of the main canon, it is in a separate continuity. But now, they imply it is a PREQUEL, by saying this is a the same character, implying that he is IN THE SAME TIMELINE but just at an earlier point in the same timeline.

The paradox is that it cannot both be part of the same timeline and also a different timeline at the same time, hence my comment about X being not-X; something can't be itself and its opposite at the same time.

Verständlich?
That was my point: Because of your posting style, I assumed you to be male. You haven't necessarily disproved that assumption though, as I notice you didn't confirm or deny my suspicion...

They may have implied so, but they never have directly said "This is a prequal!", however, they -have- said it is a reboot.

And if you are curious about my gender, then you are welcome to check my profile.

 

[VirgilTheart]

Sometimes you can't expect them to feed things to you with a silver spoon. Let me break it down for you.

Reboot = Different continuity. No connection to DMC1, 2, 3, or 4. Different version of character. E.g. Ultimate X-men.

Prequel = Same continuity, directly connected to DMC3 and thus all other games. Same character. E.g. regular X-men.

Before, Capcom was adamant about this being a REBOOT, i.e. this is not part of the main canon, it is in a separate continuity. But now, they imply it is a PREQUEL, by saying this is a the same character, implying that he is IN THE SAME TIMELINE but just at an earlier point in the same timeline.

The paradox is that it cannot both be part of the same timeline and also a different timeline at the same time, hence my comment about X being not-X; something can't be itself and its opposite at the same time.

Verständlich?

:lol: No, I'm quite familiar with the differences between a reboot and a prequel, thank you very much. My point is that it IS possible for them to do a reboot while delving into Dante's origins. What they've said, from what I've been reading/listening to, doesn't imply a prequel at all, but rather a reboot that starts with Dante's beginning.

The reason why they keep stressing its Dante, me thinks, is because of how much fans are trying to convince themselves and everyone else that it ISN'T Dante, and that by some happy miracle, Dante will stroll right into the game, headshot DINO and thus begin DMC5.

Batman is Batman in the Burton/Schumacher Universe (though B&R does push that to the limit), and he's Batman in the Nolan universe. It's the same here; Dante is Dante in the classic universe, and he's still Dante now. He's just in the sort of state that Bond was in at the beginning of Casino Royale; a diamond in the rough.

 

[moseslmpg]

:lol: No, I'm quite familiar with the differences between a reboot and a prequel, thank you very much. My point is that it IS possible for them to do a reboot while delving into Dante's origins. What they've said, from what I've been reading/listening to, doesn't imply a prequel at all, but rather a reboot that starts with Dante's beginning.

The implication of a prequel is in saying "this is the SAME Dante, just younger" as in the title. They are pretty definitely saying that this is the same Dante as all the other Dantes, i.e. this is in the same timeline, i.e. this is a prequel. I don't understand why that is difficult to follow.

The reason why they keep stressing its Dante, me thinks, is because of how much fans are trying to convince themselves and everyone else that it ISN'T Dante, and that by some happy miracle, Dante will stroll right into the game, headshot DINO and thus begin DMC5.

So far, it isn't Dante though. When it was being called a reboot, it didn't need to be Dante, Dino could be his own character. Now that it is being called a prequel, he basically has to conform to DMC3 Dante by the end of the game or this game is not canonical. What they have done is basically backed themselves into a corner of fitting totally with the series, or being declared non-canonical.

Batman is Batman in the Burton/Schumacher Universe (though B&R does push that to the limit), and he's Batman in the Nolan universe. It's the same here; Dante is Dante in the classic universe, and he's still Dante now. He's just in the sort of state that Bond was in at the beginning of Casino Royale; a diamond in the rough.

No, they are different versions of the same character. In Burton's universe, the Joker is different than the Nolan Joker. Nolan Batman doesn't fight the Penguin or have a sidekick either. Different continuities entirely. As for who this Dante is, like I said, not even Capcom is sure. If he is the same Dante, they have lots of explaining to do. If he isn't the same Dante, well, alright who cares.

They may have implied so, but they never have directly said "This is a prequal!", however, they -have- said it is a reboot.

Something does not need to be declared so to be so. Just because someone doesn't go around shouting "OH MAN THE SUN IS BRIGHT" doesn't mean the world is any dimmer for that fact. My point being, sometimes you have to think about things and derive conclusions from thinking, rather than depending on someone to announce every fact to you.

 

[Asmodaius]

Maybe they are being confusing and speaking back and forth on purpose, so we won't really know what to expect. That people draw to conclusions at this point is a bit rash. We can only wonder...

 

[Richtofen]

This game will have a different spin to it because Ninja Theory is telling the story the way THEY want too. WHICH MEANS...It doesn't HAVE to corrospond AT ALL to the other DMC games. They can still tell the same story, they have all the details needed...they will just tell it differently.

You don't have to go into a deep discussion that points out it is a "time paradox", because last time I checked...DMC consistancy went out the window a long time ago. We need something new, a story told from a different perspective.

I don't see how your connecting the other DMC games to this one. Sure they say it is the "same Dante, just younger" but that doesn't mean it follows the SAME timeline. They never said that. It could be entirely AU, meaning...Dante can still be Dante...just in a different universe. We won't know until more info is released.

 

[VirgilTheart]

The implication of a prequel is in saying "this is the SAME Dante, just younger" as in the title. They are pretty definitely saying that this is the same Dante as all the other Dantes, i.e. this is in the same timeline, i.e. this is a prequel. I don't understand why that is difficult to follow.
So far, it isn't Dante though. When it was being called a reboot, it didn't need to be Dante, Dino could be his own character. Now that it is being called a prequel, he basically has to conform to DMC3 Dante by the end of the game or this game is not canonical. What they have done is basically backed themselves into a corner of fitting totally with the series, or being declared non-canonical.
No, they are different versions of the same character. In Burton's universe, the Joker is different than the Nolan Joker. Nolan Batman doesn't fight the Penguin or have a sidekick either. Different continuities entirely. As for who this Dante is, like I said, not even Capcom is sure. If he is the same Dante, they have lots of explaining to do. If he isn't the same Dante, well, alright who cares.
Something does not need to be declared so to be so. Just because someone doesn't go around shouting "OH MAN THE SUN IS BRIGHT" doesn't mean the world is any dimmer for that fact. My point being, sometimes you have to think about things and derive conclusions from thinking, rather than depending on someone to announce every fact to you.

Yeah, the new Dante could have been a new character and folks wouldn't be hating him as much, but honestly, that doesn't mean he ISN'T Dante. Dante is Dante. He has been re-imagined by Ninja Theory and Capcom USA, but that doesn't mean he's NOT Dante.

As for the different versions, I'm aware. However; SAME CHARACTER, as you said yourself. Which is what Dante is in the classic and the reboot.

This game will have a different spin to it because Ninja Theory is telling the story the way THEY want too. WHICH MEANS...It doesn't HAVE to corrospond AT ALL to the other DMC games. They can still tell the same story, they have all the details needed...they will just tell it differently.

You don't have to go into a deep discussion that points out it is a "time paradox", because last time I checked...DMC consistancy went out the window a long time ago. We need something new, a story told from a different perspective.

I don't see how your connecting the other DMC games to this one. Sure they say it is the "same Dante, just younger" but that doesn't mean it follows the SAME timeline. They never said that. It could be entirely AU, meaning...Dante can still be Dante...just in a different universe. We won't know until more info is released.

THIS. This so freaking much. <3

 

[Asmodaius]

This game will have a different spin to it because Ninja Theory is telling the story the way THEY want too. WHICH MEANS...It doesn't HAVE to corrospond AT ALL to the other DMC games. They can still tell the same story, they have all the details needed...they will just tell it differently.

You don't have to go into a deep discussion that points out it is a "time paradox", because last time I checked...DMC consistancy went out the window a long time ago. We need something new, a story told from a different perspective.

I don't see how your connecting the other DMC games to this one. Sure they say it is the "same Dante, just younger" but that doesn't mean it follows the SAME timeline. They never said that. It could be entirely AU, meaning...Dante can still be Dante...just in a different universe. We won't know until more info is released.

Very nicely put. ^^

 

[Vampi]

Maybe they are being confusing and speaking back and forth on purpose, so we won't really know what to expect. That people draw to conclusions at this point is a bit rash. We can only wonder...

If so, and that's exactly what they're doing now, then they're stupid.