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DMC4 vs DmC: Speed Comparison/Analysis

ChaserTech

ChaserTech

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I thought this would be a pretty good time to talk about the difference between the two.
However whenever I try to find comparison videos between DmC and the previous games (mainly DMC4/DMC3) I never actually find good ones. But I made a video (thanks to 8bitHero for providing me with DmC gameplay) showing how DmC fares up to DMC4.


Some stuff may not spot on, but I tried my best considering that I didn't want this video to be extremely long.

Even though some of you within these forums think it's trivial to talk about this sort of thing, it wouldn't hurt to talk about it. Considering the fact that there are still some of us who compare DmC's combat to it's previous games, regardless of what others think.
 
Not bad. I never noticed those small pauses. I thought you meant the pause combos, but now I see what you mean.
 
Dahbomb suggested that someone made a comparison of this:

/\, /\, Streak, Devil Bringer, Rising Hightime, /\, /\, Roulette Spin, Devil Bringer, /\, /\, /\, Devil Bringer, Helm Breaker.
With Nero in DMC4 vs DmC Dante, that would give a better idea of the game's speed than just comparing moves.
 
I've been playing the classics and the demo lately (I've always preffered the classics in non-turbo) as well as the HD version on the Xbox 360.
And honestly I've never really thought any game was faster or slower than the other (not counting DMC 1 and 2 since they've had a pretty much different system when it comes to combat).
The only thing that for me slows the combat down in DmC is the colored enemys, but even these are not that much of a problem with me since I can just turn on DT and destroy them in a few hits.

Back to topic: I find the video pretty much acurate, if you're interested in making a full comparision for the full game later on, hit me up once it's out, I might be able to record a few clips of gameplay for ya!
 
Gbraga said:
Dahbomb suggested that someone made a comparison of this:

/\, /\, Streak, Devil Bringer, Rising Hightime, /\, /\, Roulette Spin, Devil Bringer, /\, /\, /\, Devil Bringer, Helm Breaker.
With Nero in DMC4 vs DmC Dante, that would give a better idea of the game's speed than just comparing moves.
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You want me to do this against an enemy? And if I do that, what should I do in regards to DmC Dante for comparison?
Also, by Devil Bringer, do you mean Buster?
 
I'm pretty sure he means Snatch.

The comparison was pretty good, I suppose. Though Drive can be done quicker in DmC than what was shown.
 
ChaserTech said:
You want me to do this against an enemy? And if I do that, what should I do in regards to DmC Dante for comparison?
Also, by Devil Bringer, do you mean Buster?
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By Devil Bringer I mean snatching the enemy with lock-on + O, I always called it Devil Bringer so I don't even know other names lol

And yes, against an enemy, as for DmC, you can do basically the same: /\, /\, forward forward L2+/\, R2 + [], hold O, air /\, /\, Roulette Spin, R2+[], /\, /\, /\, R2+[], O.

He suggested Nero because you can do essentially the same combo because of the similar moveset and the grab mechanic.
 
Gbraga said:
By Devil Bringer I mean snatching the enemy with lock-on + O, I always called it Devil Bringer so I don't even know other names lol

And yes, against an enemy, as for DmC, you can do basically the same: /\, /\, forward forward L2+/\, R2 + [], hold O, air /\, /\, Roulette Spin, R2+[], /\, /\, /\, R2+[], O.

He suggested Nero because you can do essentially the same combo because of the similar moveset and the grab mechanic.
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Ah, well in that case I'd probably end up dropping on the ground after trying to use Snatch the third time. After Red Queen's Aerial Combo (not roulette spin) I'll hit the ground before using Snatch.

Using Nero to base combat between DmC and DMC4 isn't that great of an idea in my opinion. Mainly because the most similar moveset he has are with Dante in DMC4. Excluding Demon Pull/Angel Lift, Roulette Spin, ground combos, and Streak.

Plus, Nero's Snatch move is far faster than DmC Dante's Demon Pull. There's not much delay to it after it's executed and the startup is pretty fast.
 
Nice comparison, There were times where DMC4 is faster, while in others DmC is faster too, I get how Dante pauses after an attack in DmC. He doesn't have an animation to connect after his first attack when he was doing a 4 hit rebellion move, but I have to say the speed isn't much different (In fact, you can make the 4 hit rebellion move a little faster by increasing your style meter to S).
 
ChaserTech said:
Ah, well in that case I'd probably end up dropping on the ground after trying to use Snatch the third time. After Red Queen's Aerial Combo (not roulette spin) I'll hit the ground before using Snatch.

Using Nero to base combat between DmC and DMC4 isn't that great of an idea in my opinion. Mainly because the most similar moveset he has are with Dante in DMC4. Excluding Demon Pull/Angel Lift, Roulette Spin, ground combos, and Streak.

Plus, Nero's Snatch move is far faster than DmC Dante's Demon Pull. There's not much delay to it after it's executed and the startup is pretty fast.
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But that's the point, to show people what you mean when you talk about slow gameplay. Most people say it's not slower thinking about moves alones (I thought so too before playing it myself), but when you're using your different moves to make combos, even really basic ones, you see how DmC becomes slow. In some cases it's even absurd, like starrave vs "gliderave"
 
Dante94513 said:
Nice comparison, There were times where DMC4 is faster, while in others DmC is faster too, I get how Dante pauses after an attack in DmC. He doesn't have an animation to connect after his first attack when he was doing a 4 hit rebellion move, but I have to say the speed isn't much different (In fact, you can make the 4 hit rebellion move a little faster by increasing your style meter to S).
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I'm merely comparing base moves at their base attack speeds, without any other variables.

If people want to talk about gameplay speeding up due to ranking, I might as well say that DMC4 Dante can use his D.T. in order to become faster. Or use Turbo Mode, which is unfair to compare.


Gbraga said:
But that's the point, to show people what you mean when you talk about slow gameplay. Most people say it's not slower thinking about moves alones (I thought so too before playing it myself), but when you're using your different moves to make combos, even really basic ones, you see how DmC becomes slow. In some cases it's even absurd, like starrave vs "gliderave"
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Yeah I tried to do Glide Rave once.
Felt really slow and I couldn't do it often since Dante would stop in place and let the enemy drop.
 
I noticed something, and actually something that wasn't intended, but it feels cool in DmC.

It is a little slower than de DMC 4, but if you think about it, it's DmC Dante fault, he isn't very experienced, compared to DMC 4 Dante, he wasn't trained in sword arts, he jut use a sword like a blunt weapon, a baseball bat, he dosen't balance well, have unnecessary arm movement, this kind'a stuff that inexperienced swordsman do.

I will play thinking like this, i think is more cool to think like this :cool:
 
Xamalo Noel said:
I noticed something, and actually something that wasn't intended, but it feels cool in DmC.

It is a little slower than de DMC 4, but if you think about it, it's DmC Dante fault, he isn't very experienced, compared to DMC 4 Dante, he wasn't trained in sword arts, he jut use a sword like a blunt weapon, a baseball bat, he dosen't balance well, have unnecessary arm movement, this kind'a stuff that inexperienced swordsman do.

I will play thinking like this, i think is more cool to think like this :cool:
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ahhh dang it you beat me to it! but yes they mentioned how in DmC dante isnt as graceful and efficient due to his lack of experience.
 
Xamalo Noel said:
I noticed something, and actually something that wasn't intended, but it feels cool in DmC.

It is a little slower than de DMC 4, but if you think about it, it's DmC Dante fault, he isn't very experienced, compared to DMC 4 Dante, he wasn't trained in sword arts, he jut use a sword like a blunt weapon, a baseball bat, he dosen't balance well, have unnecessary arm movement, this kind'a stuff that inexperienced swordsman do.

I will play thinking like this, i think is more cool to think like this :cool:
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I agree and I like it too from a story standpoint, but the thing is, gameplay comes first, if they think faster gameplay wouldn't fit the story, change the story. They didn't change the demon doors blocking you until you finish off the enemies, they adapted the story for it, they could do the same for the gameplay speed. This is really not the reason. Nero in DMC4 has that same brawler style, his moves are a lot rougher than Dante's coreography-like fighting style.
 
Gbraga said:
I agree and I like it too from a story standpoint, but the thing is, gameplay comes first, if they think faster gameplay wouldn't fit the story, change the story. They didn't change the demon doors blocking you until you finish off the enemies, they adapted the story for it, they could do the same for the gameplay speed. This is really not the reason. Nero in DMC4 has that same brawler style, his moves are a lot rougher than Dante's coreography-like fighting style.
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It's arguable that Nero is even more unrefined as DmC Dante.
All of his moves are aggressive and lack finesse. Ranging from Shuffle, Calibur, Streak, basic combos, aerial combos, etc.
However he was still constantly moving as opposed to DmC Dante. (unless you did pause combos which is the point of them)
 
actually Nero is far more refined than DmC Dante is in swordsmanship, he is a rookie only when compared to DMC4 Dantes thousands of years of experience.
 
WorkenOnMaLeft said:
actually Nero is far more refined than DmC Dante is in swordsmanship, he is a rookie only when compared to DMC4 Dantes thousands of years of experience.
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I'm not talking about swordsmanship. I'm talking about how controlled Nero's attack look.
He swings are extremely exaggerated, more than DmC Dante's swings. Yet he never pauses as opposed to Dante in DmC.

Yes, Nero is leagues ahead of Dante by swordsmanship. But in terms of having an exaggerated style, I'd say DmC Dante wins in that department.
 
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