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DmC Vergil's Downfall PC Achievements

crush said:
Actually Vergil killed the kid because for mankind. His solely goal.
He knows what he is doing and says bluntly "It had to"
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Yes, and he did it in a dishonorable fashion that is rather unlike the old Vergil. The old Vergil would have just killed her outright.

If you say DMC3 vergil is honourable, then lets say he survived and was in DMC4 and doesn't recognize Nero.
I think the results are predictable.
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What point are you trying to make here?
 
The fact that he puts up a good fight to Vergil and they're both exhausted by the end of it, he fights Vergil to a standstill and then beats him.
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Actually Virgil was stronger in the initial fight considering the fact he could activate DT at that time but didnt. So at one instance Virgil was stonger than Dante then in the next battle they fought to a standstill.

Vergil was having trouble with a random henchman in DmC.
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I could be wrong about this considering i dont have the game or watched a playthrough of the game but doesnt Virgil wanna keep his existence( the nephilim thing) a secret so if he starts killing everything Mundus sent his way wouldnt that raise a few flags? also i would like to know what mission this happens on since i wanna see for myself if Vman was getting owned but some fodder.

And on the subject of being honorable i think that only applies to one of one fights and not his entire personality. Virgil in DMC 3 was about to kill Arkham just for talking to him in a library and later he stabs him in the gut. During the 1st fight with Dante Virgil impales Dante to the ground with his own weapon and idk how honorable it is to attack a tired, injured, unarmed(in u dont count the guns) opponent while he's trying to get off the ground. Nelo Angelo is is the only thing the honorable statement applies to while DMC3 Virgil is just cold and merciless while DmC is cold and calculating.
 
chocolatepanda said:
Actually Virgil was stronger in the initial fight considering the fact he could activate DT at that time but didnt. So at one instance Virgil was stonger than Dante then in the next battle they fought to a standstill.
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They have a fight where Vergil wins, one where they tie, and one where Dante wins. I think Vergil's the better fighter, but he's not so much better than fighting Dante is an unfair fight.


I could be wrong about this considering i dont have the game or watched a playthrough of the game but doesnt Virgil wanna keep his existence( the nephilim thing) a secret so if he starts killing everything Mundus sent his way wouldnt that raise a few flags? also i would like to know what mission this happens on since i wanna see for myself if Vman was getting owned but some fodder.
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Him having trouble with the random enemy? Don't recall which mission but here's the cutscene of it.
Skip to 1:35:7
By the time Vergil gets sucked sucked in by Mundus, Mundus already knows that he's a Nephilim. Because before that Mundus screams "THERE ARE TWO NEPHILIM?" or something like that. It's kind of funny because the only time he can do anything to Mundus is when he's distracted ( stabbing him in the back while he's busy with Dante ) or when he's weakened after his fight with Dante.
And on the subject of being honorable i think that only applies to one of one fights and not his entire personality. Virgil in DMC 3 was about to kill Arkham just for talking to him in a library and later he stabs him in the gut.
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He kills him for letting Lady, a person who was trying to kill Vergil live. He warned him the first time.
During the 1st fight with Dante Virgil impales Dante to the ground with his own weapon and idk how honorable it is to attack a tired, injured, unarmed(in u dont count the guns) opponent while he's trying to get off the ground. Nelo Angelo is is the only thing the honorable statement applies to while DMC3 Virgil is just cold and merciless while DmC is cold and calculating.
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Finishing off your opponent after you've just beaten him in a completely fair fight isn't exactly dishonorable.
 
By the time Vergil gets sucked sucked in by Mundus, Mundus already knows that he's a Nephilim. Because before that Mundus screams "THERE ARE TWO NEPHILIM?" or something like that. It's kind of funny because the only time he can do anything to Mundus is when he's distracted ( stabbing him in the back while he's busy with Dante ) or when he's weakened after his fight with Dante.
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I remember that "There are two nephilim?" line being said right before you fight Mundus so i dont think he knew about Virgil at that time(or at the very least didnt know who it was) cuz that is the moment when Kat is captured. If he knew at that time then what Dante says at the end of the game about kat holding out under torture to keep Virgils existence a secret(well the nephilim part) wouldnt make any sense.

He kills him for letting Lady, a person who was trying to kill Vergil live. He warned him the first time.
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I dont think Virgil ever met lady(not 100% sure bout this since its been awhile) till the fight between Dante and Virgil at the portal so he doesnt know what her reason for being there and even then her reason for being there is to kill demons but mainly to kill arkham so she doesnt know about Virgil.

Finishing off your opponent after you've just beaten him in a completely fair fight isn't exactly dishonorable.
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You're right its not dishonorable but the honorable thing to do would at least let him have his weapon 1st then strike him down. Is beating up a persons dead body dishonorable? Cuz Virg did quite a number of Beowulfs corpse after absorbing his power.
 
chocolatepanda said:
I remember that "There are two nephilim?" line being said right before you fight Mundus so i dont think he knew about Virgil at that time(or at the very least didnt know who it was) cuz that is the moment when Kat is captured. If he knew at that time then what Dante says at the end of the game about kat holding out under torture to keep Virgils existence a secret(well the nephilim part) wouldnt make any sense.
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Yeah, it's said before you fight Mundus so Vergil being useless against Mundus is just him being useless. Vergil being useless when the demon stops is attacking him doesn't make sense as him trying to hide because the demon would be dead. It couldn't report to its superiors.


I dont think Virgil ever met lady(not 100% sure bout this since its been awhile) till the fight between Dante and Virgil at the portal so he doesnt know what her reason for being there and even then her reason for being there is to kill demons but mainly to kill arkham so she doesnt know about Virgil.
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She's storming his place and killing a bunch of demons, I'm sure he can make an educated guess.

You're right its not dishonorable but the honorable thing to do would at least let him have his weapon 1st then strike him down.Is beating up a persons dead body dishonorable? Cuz Virg did quite a number of Beowulfs corpse after absorbing his power.
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Vergil didn't beat up Beowulf's corpse. He killed it and his limbs went everywhere due to Vergil's initial strikes. It's not particularly dishonorable. He punched it once to see how effective the weapon was.
 
Vergil didn't beat up Beowulf's corpse. He killed it and his limbs went everywhere due to Vergil's initial strikes. It's not particularly dishonorable. He punched it once to see how effective the weapon was.
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He punched it and kicked it in half. He was already dead when this happened considering he had his head cut off(sliced 3 times i think).

Yeah, it's said before you fight Mundus so Vergil being useless against Mundus is just him being useless. Vergil being useless when the demon stops is attacking him doesn't make sense as him trying to hide because the demon would be dead. It couldn't report to its superiors.
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While in limbo all his actions might be monitored considering limbo is alive to some degree.
 
Slacri said:
Yeah, it's said before you fight Mundus so Vergil being useless against Mundus is just him being useless. Vergil being useless when the demon stops is attacking him doesn't make sense as him trying to hide because the demon would be dead. It couldn't report to its superiors.


She's storming his place and killing a bunch of demons, I'm sure he can make an educated guess.



Vergil didn't beat up Beowulf's corpse. He killed it and his limbs went everywhere due to Vergil's initial strikes. It's not particularly dishonorable. He punched it once to see how effective the weapon was.
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Seriously, how much milk are you getting out of those? *Points to DMC3 Vergils tits*
 
You're all forgetting that Vergil's existence was supposed to be a secret. He couldn't exactly walk out in broad daylight branding his trusty Yamato double teaming enemies with Dante. He had to lead a large illegal organization dedicated to overthrowing Mundus and enthroning himself
 
Slacri said:
You're confusing honor with ethics here. He had integrity for himself and his code. He wasn't a good guy but he knew that and didn't try to be. Now you're talking about the verb of it and saying that you wouldn't honor him. Which is fair, I wouldn't either but that's not what I'm saying here.

He's a samurai like character, a group of warriors who were famous for their own personal honor and code of battle. They weren't very nice people though.
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Not really. What I gave is the basic definition of honor. A man of honor and a man who has a code of honor are two different things.
 
Slacri said:
I feel he was, he used to be an honor bound guy who didn't even use guns because he thought they were too dishonorable, and was a better fighter than even Dante.

Now he's kind of a damsel in distress who shoots pregnant demons in the back with rifles. Even if you like him, he's completely different from Vergil.

Kind of disappointed actually, Vergil in this looks like he might play better than Dante but he's only available in what appears to be a short campaign with no bloody palace for him.
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character... development. its called vergils downfall for a reason.
 
zarion said:
You're all forgetting that Vergil's existence was supposed to be a secret. He couldn't exactly walk out in broad daylight branding his trusty Yamato double teaming enemies with Dante. He had to lead a large illegal organization dedicated to overthrowing Mundus and enthroning himself
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But that's exactly what he did.
He punched it and kicked it in half. He was already dead when this happened considering he had his head cut off(sliced 3 times i think).
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He tested his new weapon. It's really not that bad.
While in limbo all his actions might be monitored considering limbo is alive to some degree.
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But he walks around in broad daylight with Dante who sticks out like a sore thumb.
character... development. its called vergils downfall for a reason.
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That's not development, that's just change without reason.
Not really. What I gave is the basic definition of honor. A man of honor and a man who has a code of honor are two different things.​
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Then we're arguing semantics now and you know what I meant.​
 
Railazel said:
Actually, the "honor" thing was the entire basis of his character. In DMC 1, he always fought Dante face- to- face with no tricks, ambushes, etc. In fact, he was so honorable that he waited specifically for Dante in his last fight, that's why Dante said that he was a man with "guts and honor." Heck, it said in his character description that he always fought his opponents fairly and squarely.

So what happened in DMC 3? Capcom happened. Capcom decided to reboot both Dante and Vergil's character in DMC 3, so that Dante was wild and cocky while Vergil was cold and calculating. Thus, they took away Vergil's honor- bound persona in DMC 1 to form a dark, cruel, and merciless youth in DMC 3.
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True, there's a pretty huge disconnect between how Vergil is portrayed in DMC1 and how he's portrayed in most other DMC media. American comic Nelo Angelo was much like his game persona (only this time with lines), but Gilver (Vergil in the first DMC novel) was a complete sociopath who deceived Dante and did horrible things to everyone Dante loved; DMC3 Vergil wasn't nearly as hateful against humans, but he simply didn't care what happened to them, and he betrayed Arkham; manga Vergil was closer to Gilver in nature, murdering people pretty casually; DmC Vergil was a riff on DMC3 Vergil, not hateful, but not honorable, either, with no problem going against his word.

One theory is that the only reason Nelo Angelo seemed honorable was because the only time we saw his behavior was in a direct fight with another warrior. Vergil might do dirt against non-warriors like Arkham, but we never see him approach a fellow warrior in a dirty way like, say, Phantom does with his ambushes, or Mundus does with his psychological warfare. He's not an honorable PERSON, but an honorable FIGHTER.

Another theory is that Nelo Angelo was brainwashed and stripped down to his most base mental components, and at Vergil's core, he's a good kid led wildly astray by pride and ambition. Of course he wouldn't be allowed either of those things as a servant of Mundus, so without them, he ironically starts to behave more decently than when he WASN'T serving a horrible demon emperor. Which is pretty sad.
 
darkmanifest said:
True, there's a pretty huge disconnect between how Vergil is portrayed in DMC1 and how he's portrayed in most other DMC media. American comic Nelo Angelo was much like his game persona (only this time with lines), but Gilver (Vergil in the first DMC novel) was a complete sociopath who deceived Dante and did horrible things to everyone Dante loved; DMC3 Vergil wasn't nearly as hateful against humans, but he simply didn't care what happened to them, and he betrayed Arkham; manga Vergil was closer to Gilver in nature, murdering people pretty casually; DmC Vergil was a riff on DMC3 Vergil, not hateful, but not honorable, either, with no problem going against his word.

One theory is that the only reason Nelo Angelo seemed honorable was because the only time we saw his behavior was in a direct fight with another warrior. Vergil might do dirt against non-warriors like Arkham, but we never see him approach a fellow warrior in a dirty way like, say, Phantom does with his ambushes, or Mundus does with his psychological warfare. He's not an honorable PERSON, but an honorable FIGHTER.

Another theory is that Nelo Angelo was brainwashed and stripped down to his most base mental components, and at Vergil's core, he's a good kid led wildly astray by pride and ambition. Of course he wouldn't be allowed either of those things as a servant of Mundus, so without them, he ironically starts to behave more decently than when he WASN'T serving a horrible demon emperor. Which is pretty sad.
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I just chalk it up as Capcom's anime- esque approach to DMC.
 
Railazel said:
I just chalk it up as Capcom's anime- esque approach to DMC.
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But...what does that mean, exactly? How does it apply to Vergil, who's your basic oppositional villain used as a direct contrast to the hero in every way, which is pretty universal in stories? Outside of some of the more outlandish design choices (giant swords, giant guns, exceptionally pretty men aka "biseinen", and jiggle physics), I can't think of any tropes in DMC that I couldn't find in a Western action movie or comic book...especially a comic book.
 
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